Star Wars Episode VIII - SPOILERS

[kane]

Rogue One was significantly better than this film. To be honest it’s difficult to even put both in the same sentence.

i thought rogue one was horrible ... so maybe ill like it lol, everytime i hear someone praise R1 i think of RLM "its dark and gritty and i dont need to hide the fact anymore i like a children's franchise"

bunch of throw away characters doing a throw away plot with major gaps in plot and logic, best fanfic movie ever made imo... but ohhh was that darth vader scene cool ! for the 10 seconds he was in the movie

[BeagleBoss]

I'm seeing the same thing. Kids and non or mild Star Wars fans loved it.

I didn't hate it. It wasn't as bad as PM, CW or ROTS but this director just changed the personalities of the main characters too much. They should have used this movie to build and tell us about some of them. Like who they are and where they come from. Episode 9 looks very predictable now.

[Capn'O]

Rogue One was significantly better than this film. To be honest it’s difficult to even put both in the same sentence.

i thought rogue one was horrible ... so maybe ill like it lol, everytime i hear someone praise R1 i think of RLM "its dark and gritty and i dont need to hide the fact anymore i like a children's franchise"

bunch of throw away characters doing a throw away plot with major gaps in plot and logic, best fanfic movie ever made imo... but ohhh was that darth vader scene cool ! for the 10 seconds he was in the movie

I hated Rogue 1 but the Darth Vader scene was pretty cool

[Oscirus]

Watched this late last night and wtf.

Goods
This is definitely not a repeat, director took this in his own direction.
Interesting spin on a force.
This movie does not give a ****, very high bodycount and it's not all redshirts either.
Laura Dern was a good addition.

Meh
If you're into shipping, there's plenty of things in it to support your ship regardless of who you shipped

Bad
Movie was way too long. There were subplots that could've been removed and not affected the plot at all.
He has no idea wtf to do with certain characters, especially Finn.
Hated what he did with Luke in here
There's this huge anti-war message that really doesn't fit in this series.
Not a fan of Rose, though I can see why some would like her.
The rest is spoiler related.

[SmoothLefty21]

I'm a big Star Wars fan, saw it this morning and hated it. My buddies who are also big fans of the franchise hated it as well. Forget for a second that it's a Star Wars movie - just looking at the movie/writing/storytelling aspect, this thing is a turd. As a standalone movie it's a 5/10. As a Star Wars movie it's a 3/10.

[Marty McFly]

it has the same audience score as a phantom menace.

edit: it's actually lower.

[Marty McFly]

I'm seeing the same thing. Kids and non or mild Star Wars fans loved it.

I didn't hate it. It wasn't as bad as PM, CW or ROTS but this director just changed the personalities of the main characters too much. They should have used this movie to build and tell us about some of them. Like who they are and where they come from. Episode 9 looks very predictable now.

Spoiler:

what they needed to do was to stick with all of george's ideas whilst having 1 director committed to directing all three films. i don't understand why they thought it was a good idea to have several groups of people write these films. it makes the trilogy look incoherent.

[KOA]

Saw it today and was sadly disappointed...I would give it a 5/10
The plot felt very thin, especially for a 3 hour film. There was not enough character development and not enough action. It honestly felt as though 60% of the movie took place in the same general areas.

[Fury]

Saw it today, loved it 9/10. Y’all are nuts. Star war movies are usually overrated borefests. This was dope. Lots of subversion that made sense with prevalent themes of failure and starting over developed, beautiful shots, slick humor you don’t usually see in star war movies and an ending that sets up the next phase of the franchise.

[Fury]

Rogue One was significantly better than this film. To be honest it’s difficult to even put both in the same sentence.

Totally agree. Really felt this was totally lazy writing. Saw it Thursday night and the more I think about it the angrier I get. Character development and arcs are non-existent. People that I was super psyched to learn more about hardly even get to scratch the surface on.

I mean there are a few surprises at the end I didn’t see coming for sure but honestly they just make IX that much more confusing to me. They either have some really awesome plan on how to put a bow on this or it’s going to be a massive let down.

If you thought Rey, Luke, Kylo Ren and Poe had no character development, I don’t know what to tell you.

[Oscirus]

Rogue One was significantly better than this film. To be honest it’s difficult to even put both in the same sentence.

Totally agree. Really felt this was totally lazy writing. Saw it Thursday night and the more I think about it the angrier I get. Character development and arcs are non-existent. People that I was super psyched to learn more about hardly even get to scratch the surface on.

I mean there are a few surprises at the end I didn’t see coming for sure but honestly they just make IX that much more confusing to me. They either have some really awesome plan on how to put a bow on this or it’s going to be a massive let down.

Luke and poe maybe. Kylo and Rey were the exact same people they were at the beginning as they were at the end.

[don't panac]

I am going to go against the prevslent grain in this thread. I am a very big fan of the star wars saga, since the very beginning.
I just got back from the movie and i thought it was great. My kids loved it as well.

[Dr. Detfink]

I enjoyed the overall theme of the movie, which was trying to explain the folly of heroism, hubris, and "man-splaining."

GREAT Kurosawa tributes to Rashomon and Ran.

Problem is, there's nothing epic. Once again, huge overpowered ships get destroyed rather easily.

And is there a third act? I thought the conclusion was ballsy.

[E-Balla]

All I gotta say is half the movie could be completely removed and nothing would be lost.. In a 2.5 hour movie... I need some spoiler talk I gotta get this off my chest.

[RHODEY]

Rogue One was significantly better than this film. To be honest it’s difficult to even put both in the same sentence.

i thought rogue one was horrible ... so maybe ill like it lol, everytime i hear someone praise R1 i think of RLM "its dark and gritty and i dont need to hide the fact anymore i like a children's franchise"

bunch of throw away characters doing a throw away plot with major gaps in plot and logic, best fanfic movie ever made imo... but ohhh was that darth vader scene cool ! for the 10 seconds he was in the movie

I thought the last 20-30 minutes of Rogue One made up for it's slow pacing.

[J9Starks3]

Spoiler:

Totally agree. Really felt this was totally lazy writing. Saw it Thursday night and the more I think about it the angrier I get. Character development and arcs are non-existent. People that I was super psyched to learn more about hardly even get to scratch the surface on.

I mean there are a few surprises at the end I didn’t see coming for sure but honestly they just make IX that much more confusing to me. They either have some really awesome plan on how to put a bow on this or it’s going to be a massive let down.

Luke and poe maybe. Kylo and Rey were the exact same people they were at the beginning as they were at the end.

I wouldn’t even give Luke and Poe tbh...

it was a fine movie and all... the same way Michael Bay movies are fine movies... sometimes I just want to see sh*t blow up, cool action scenes and beautiful shots. I expected a bit more from this. The lack of any sort of story, or background, or relevance for every bad guy not named kylo in this movie was disappointing. They talked up Phasma before TFA and she was hardly there, so I thought for sure in this one... Snoke was so mysterious and bad ass in TFA ... they give us nothing.... Kylo still seems like a whiny emo teenage brat. What made empire so great was the absolute disparity you felt at that point...like how would they ever regroup from that ass whopping...don’t really feel the same here, they really should have played up how powerful Snoke was to make it seem hopeless...or played more with the Rey could turn to the dark side.

[Fury]

Spoiler:

Luke and poe maybe. Kylo and Rey were the exact same people they were at the beginning as they were at the end.

I wouldn’t even give Luke and Poe tbh...

it was a fine movie and all... the same way Michael Bay movies are fine movies... sometimes I just want to see sh*t blow up, cool action scenes and beautiful shots. I expected a bit more from this. The lack of any sort of story, or background, or relevance for every bad guy not named kylo in this movie was disappointing. They talked up Phasma before TFA and she was hardly there, so I thought for sure in this one... Snoke was so mysterious and bad ass in TFA ... they give us nothing.... Kylo still seems like a whiny emo teenage brat. What made empire so great was the absolute disparity you felt at that point...like how would they ever regroup from that ass whopping...don’t really feel the same here, they really should have played up how powerful Snoke was to make it seem hopeless...or played more with the Rey could turn to the dark side.

You must have missed Poe’s entire leadership sequence going from a hot head ignoring orders to leading by the end

Or Luke reluctant to help before accepting failure, moving on and passing the torch

Did you miss Kylo Ren’s backstory with Luke? And how Rey was sold for ****? The entire explanation of the force being more than some vague notion? A villain who does more than just breath hard and act bad ass? It’s fine if you didn’t like these moves and arcs but to say there wasn’t any is pretty shortsighted.

[Oscirus]

Spoiler:

Luke and poe maybe. Kylo and Rey were the exact same people they were at the beginning as they were at the end.

I wouldn’t even give Luke and Poe tbh...

it was a fine movie and all... the same way Michael Bay movies are fine movies... sometimes I just want to see sh*t blow up, cool action scenes and beautiful shots. I expected a bit more from this. The lack of any sort of story, or background, or relevance for every bad guy not named kylo in this movie was disappointing. They talked up Phasma before TFA and she was hardly there, so I thought for sure in this one... Snoke was so mysterious and bad ass in TFA ... they give us nothing.... Kylo still seems like a whiny emo teenage brat. What made empire so great was the absolute disparity you felt at that point...like how would they ever regroup from that ass whopping...don’t really feel the same here, they really should have played up how powerful Snoke was to make it seem hopeless...or played more with the Rey could turn to the dark side.

You must have missed Poe’s entire leadership sequence going from a hot head ignoring orders to leading by the end

Or Luke reluctant to help before accepting failure, moving on and passing the torch

Did you miss Kylo Ren’s backstory with Luke? And how Rey was sold for ****? The entire explanation of the force being more than some vague notion? A villain who does more than just breath hard and act bad ass? It’s fine if you didn’t like these moves and arcs but to say there wasn’t any is pretty shortsighted.

Probably should spoiler tag this stuff. But the rey stuff is not development at all whatsoever. You want to say that they gave Kylo a decent backstory and a reason to turn to the dark side, fine. But he was the same person at the end of this movie that he was at the beginning, ditto rey. Hell, Finn had more character development then both of them. And that's saying something considering how much they destroyed his character in this one.

Let's not even get into what should've happened to Poe for the **** that he pulled.

[J9Starks3]

Spoiler:

Like I said it’s not a bad movie. But I don’t consider most of it character development.

As one of the best characters ever tells us, this movie is supposed to be about learning from failure. That’s the theme of it all...from Luke to Poe to Finn, etc.

Problem is, most of their failures seem forced and unnecessary...like the entire side mission for Finn. Then they come back, the same exact person doing the same exact thing only this time it’s different because....reasons?

Kylo is still an insecure turd (great actor btw and absolutely steals every scene he’s in, but the script keeps him static)

Poe is still the guy who will rush in to tell you exactly what to do.

This isn’t character development it’s convenient stories.

The explanation of the force is GREAT and fixes the stupid decision in PM. Their decision on the villains here was terrible. After ESB you felt there was no hope, no way our heroes could take out Sidious/Vader. Is anyone really scared of Kylo as a super villain? He still is conflicted in big situations and is too impulsive to be a stragic leader. Until of course he is, because of more convenient writing I bet.

[Marty McFly]

Spoiler:

the worst part about the movie to me was ben's fall. it took the assassination of Luke's character in order for rian to make it happen.

even if luke considered striking down his nephew, luke would never get so far as to be standing over with a **** lasersword ready to strike him down while he slept. i don't know how any star wars fan could be okay with that. they didn't even go into detail as to how ben was falling either.

luke starting beating vader's ass the moment vader said he'd turn leia, and the moment he could have struck his father down, he chucked his lightsaber away. the emperor did his thing and vaders love for his son made him kill the emperor. you mean to tell me that an older, wiser luke would have gotten that far with his nephew? having already learned years ago, that what turn the tide was the love he had for his father and the love his father had for his son?