Luka Doncic part II

[916fan]

https://sports.yahoo.com/potential-2018-no-1-draft-pick-luka-doncic-almost-good-true-video-165856463.html

Take a stroll through comments section, if you dare.

Americans feel threatened by an 18 year old

I have a challenge for the bravest of souls. Each time Rubio or Milicic is mentioned in above mentioned comments, take a shot.
Diagnosis: death by alcohol poisoning.

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[Don7]

Yep. And let's face it, Luka needed a bit of a smack in the face. Not just today, his overall demeanor has been getting slightly cocky ... For European standards at least. It's probably not cocky enough compared to many of his American peers, ha.

you reaching , he yust wanted extra pass and he was right.

Laso wanted to keep his minutes down,he couldn't against Murcia because of Facu injury but did that today.

[916fan]

I want Doncic for the Kings, but I don't think he would fit with Fox. I don't think Fox will be the Kings' star player, but he is our most valuable young player. Fox is ball dominant, and Doncic is at his best with the ball in his hands.

If the Kings land #1 overall, I'd look to trade Fox for a top 10 pick, then draft Doncic.

Kings are also pissing me off with their 1/2 tanking. They keep playing 36yearold Randolph big minutes because they're trying to win everynight. Might be one of the dumbest rebuilding teams in a while. Kings have Fox bringing up the ball, then standing at the 3pt line so Randolph can iso down low.

[SportsGuy8]

Opposing coaches should really start reading realgm forums - just always switch on Doncic and he wont be able to do anything. Why didnt anyone come up with that, really makes you wonder what kind of people coach Euroleague and ACB teams.

As for Luka, he should be a pretty good player in wheelchair basketball league.

You're being sarcastic, but today's 1st half nicely showed that's it's not easy at all to double Doncic. He's just too gifted of a passer and too tall, so he can easily put the ball to his teammates, even under heavy pressure, resulting in them playing 4 vs. 3, which leads to a great shot.

This was a nice example for those who say that European teams don't plan for Doncic. They do, it's just that it's very hard to do it.

[SportsGuy8]

Yep. And let's face it, Luka needed a bit of a smack in the face. Not just today, his overall demeanor has been getting slightly cocky ... For European standards at least. It's probably not cocky enough compared to many of his American peers, ha.

you reaching , he yust wanted extra pass and he was right.

Laso wanted to keep his minutes down,he couldn't against Murcia because of Facu injury but did that today.

It's not just this game.

And don't get me wrong, personally I like his attitude as of late, since he's going to need it to survive as a star in the NBA. There are constant ego battles in the NBA, even between teammates, you need to have an ego.

[Don7]

Opposing coaches should really start reading realgm forums - just always switch on Doncic and he wont be able to do anything. Why didnt anyone come up with that, really makes you wonder what kind of people coach Euroleague and ACB teams.

As for Luka, he should be a pretty good player in wheelchair basketball league.

You're being sarcastic, but today's 1st half nicely showed that's it's not easy at all to double Doncic. He's just too gifted of a passer and too tall, so he can easily put the ball to his teammates, even under heavy pressure, resulting in them playing 4 vs. 3, which leads to a great shot.

This was a nice example for those who say that European teams don't plan for Doncic. They do, it's just that it's very hard to do it.

Thats why that game against Pao was great and similar wher he was doubled every possesion , now he keept his compuser and sliced the deffence with easy passes.After that oposing coaches will throw something new at him , he will maybe struggle in the beginning but then he will adjust.When he turns 19 he will already experince all the diffrent way of deffending him and taking away his advantages , thus allowing him to develop those areas.This year with 30% USG wher Luka does what Luka wants is priclesy for future.

[narcolepsy]

Opposing coaches should really start reading realgm forums - just always switch on Doncic and he wont be able to do anything. Why didnt anyone come up with that, really makes you wonder what kind of people coach Euroleague and ACB teams.

As for Luka, he should be a pretty good player in wheelchair basketball league.

You're being sarcastic, but today's 1st half nicely showed that's it's not easy at all to double Doncic. He's just too gifted of a passer and too tall, so he can easily put the ball to his teammates, even under heavy pressure, resulting in them playing 4 vs. 3, which leads to a great shot.

This was a nice example for those who say that European teams don't plan for Doncic. They do, it's just that it's very hard to do it.

Thats exactly my point, surely it's better to just switch on him then if he cant beat anyone off the dribble. Yet teams seem to be doing the opposite and double teaming him on every pick. Either coaches or some posters here are wrong.

[Don7]

Yep. And let's face it, Luka needed a bit of a smack in the face. Not just today, his overall demeanor has been getting slightly cocky ... For European standards at least. It's probably not cocky enough compared to many of his American peers, ha.

you reaching , he yust wanted extra pass and he was right.

Laso wanted to keep his minutes down,he couldn't against Murcia because of Facu injury but did that today.

It's not just this game.

And don't get me wrong, personally I like his attitude as of late, since he's going to need it to survive as a star in the NBA. There are constant ego battles in the NBA, even between teammates, you need to have an ego.

He alwayes talked trash , excpecily now when all the players in europe are targenting him.
When he got heated with Seely and then go on to dominating him and staring him after every point.
Thats normal , especially for eighteen year old.

Regarding his relationship with Laso , he´s arguing about some playes more and that's better , before when he would yell on him he would cry , no they go head to head.But far from it that he isn't coachable , just more "expressive".

But hey , maybe the draft experts will found the way to call him soft also.

[SportsGuy8]

Opposing coaches should really start reading realgm forums - just always switch on Doncic and he wont be able to do anything. Why didnt anyone come up with that, really makes you wonder what kind of people coach Euroleague and ACB teams.

As for Luka, he should be a pretty good player in wheelchair basketball league.

You're being sarcastic, but today's 1st half nicely showed that's it's not easy at all to double Doncic. He's just too gifted of a passer and too tall, so he can easily put the ball to his teammates, even under heavy pressure, resulting in them playing 4 vs. 3, which leads to a great shot.

This was a nice example for those who say that European teams don't plan for Doncic. They do, it's just that it's very hard to do it.

Thats why that game against Pao was great and similar wher he was doubled every possesion , now he keept his compuser and sliced the deffence with easy passes.After that oposing coaches will throw something new at him , he will maybe struggle in the beginning but then he will adjust.When he turns 19 he will already experince all the diffrent way of deffending him and taking away his advantages , thus allowing him to develop those areas.This year with 30% USG wher Luka does what Luka wants is priclesy for future.

Yep.

But if we're totally fair, today's doubling wasn't smart at all, doubling him even at half-court. Pao's doubling was a lot more sophisticated.

[FlorentinoPerez]

I don't think this was just about rest. Doncic got benched for last 3 or 4 minutes after opposing team came relatively close. It looks like Laso sent a small message to Doncic.

Luka first whined to a teammate for not passing him the ball when he was open (he was correct and while such a thing seems completely normal for the NBA, it's in poor taste in Europe when it's coming from a kid, even though that kid is by far the best player on the team). Then he penetrated into a crowd and tried making a fancy pass, resulting in a turnover ... Benching followed.

It's a minor thing, though, obviously.

If it is as you said... i couldnt be more happy.
Laso is a great coach and is managing Luka in a fantastic way.

Yep. And let's face it, Luka needed a bit of a smack in the face. Not just today, his overall demeanor has been getting slightly cocky ... For European standards at least. It's probably not cocky enough compared to many of his American peers, ha.

yeah, I think is good for him to respect the pecking order...
I mean, everybody knows hes the best player, Laso knows, teammates know...

but he cant forget hes playing with 5/6 former nba players

[Don7]

Yep.

But if we're totally fair, today's doubling wasn't smart at all, doubling him even at half-court. Pao's doubling was a lot more sophisticated.

He also just made few poor passes without some hard pressure , bad game in that department , one of the few wher he had more TO then assists.

7/1 vs Barca
5/1 today

Love this kinde of games.

[The-Power]

I want Doncic for the Kings, but I don't think he would fit with Fox. I don't think Fox will be the Kings' star player, but he is our most valuable young player. Fox is ball dominant, and Doncic is at his best with the ball in his hands.

If the Kings land #1 overall, I'd look to trade Fox for a top 10 pick, then draft Doncic.

Yeah, Fox and Doncic are not an ideal pairing and Fox shouldn't be in the way of drafting Doncic. Ergo it makes sense to look to sell relatively high on him unless he dramatically improves his shooting and off-ball ability in general. That is if Doncic is available for you guys, of course. On thing is certain: he would do wonders for Hield, Bogdanovic, WCS, Skal and Jackson if they all fully buy into an offense built around Doncic. Give him a couple other good shooters (one of them should preferably be a 3&D PG) and the fun would start very soon. Hill and Randolph on the other hand? Bad fit with Doncic.

[BlueSan]

a pick and roll genius, but cant break his man down 1&1. be it a euroleague guy or a acb guy. iso offense seems to be biggest weakness as he cant get by his man by himself.

IF he is the #1 pick he'll go down in history as the first guard #1 pick who cant beat anyone off the dribble

First of all he is not a PG. He can play PG, huge difference.
Second I am contemplating whether or not this post is pure trolling, or ignorance of the highest level.

[BlueSan]

For me it would be really interesting to see him at
1. NO Pelicans
2. San Antonio
3. Detroit
4. New York

All of those places except NYK is completely unrealistic. Other teams have no shot at him because they won't be in the lotto.

Perhaps, but that was not what I wrote. I wrote it would be interesting for me to see him there...

[pacersGM]

a pick and roll genius, but cant break his man down 1&1. be it a euroleague guy or a acb guy. iso offense seems to be biggest weakness as he cant get by his man by himself.

IF he is the #1 pick he'll go down in history as the first guard #1 pick who cant beat anyone off the dribble

First of all he is not a PG. He can play PG, huge difference.
Second I am contemplating whether or not this post is pure trolling, or ignorance of the highest level.

dude, you need to say on the ground. if pointing out his weaknesses is now considered trolling, then this post should be locked down for good or rename it to the luka doncic fan club - objectivity left at the door..

or is Draftexpress also a troll?! he cant get by a Fat Seraphin and similar guys multiple times and it wont get much better with years.

like i said P&R genius but iso game is a major concern - actualy the big one besides his defense that still at this stage of the season has ayton, beagley leveled with him as the #1 prospect.

Watch on YouTube

[Rn5ho]

You keep repeating yourself, you said "rename this topic to xx because blabla" at least 2-3 times before, you also promised to leave it about 4-5 times before and you stick to your word.. until Luka has a bad game to crawl back out and point out the bad stuff from that particular game as his flaws that are unfixable.

Why exactly is this something that can't possibly improve down the years?! I've seen multiple times that he was able to get past his man on the 1st step, but he slowed down for the step back instead of pushing through. They block him with bodies there and honestly there's no reason for him to go "all in" and force these layups as it's a big injury risk as most of his opponents are physically way stronger and more developed. Don't forget, he's playing against grown men in their prime physical condition.. Just start putting things into context ffs. I'm 99% sure that NCAA "superstars" would also struggle getting to the basket against Euro defense and centers (here defense is actually played and the 3sec rule doesn't exist, so the paint is always packed, literally no chance/way/reason for Luka to push in there while he has other options - when space opens up tho, like shown yesterday with behind the back layup and alley-oop, he can easily finish on the rim as well).

Stop facting around how something is impossible and forever unfixable.. or provide some actual factual evidence, not just your "expert" opinion.

[SportsGuy8]

Can't AND1 Rn5ho's post enough.

I'm fully confident that when he gets to the NBA, penetrations are going to be a lot easier and much more frequent for him. And when that happens, his passing ability is going to become an absolute killer.

From the very first day in the NBA, Rubio instantly looked a lot better compared to how he was in Europe, mostly because penetrations and passing opportunities opened for him. I expect the same thing (just to a lesser extent) to happen with Doncic, which is quite scary to think about.

[Don7]

From the very first day in the NBA, Rubio instantly looked a lot better compared to how he was in Europe, mostly because penetrations and passing opportunities opened for him. I expect the same thing (just to a lesser extent) to happen with Doncic, which is quite scary to think about.

He got easier by Oladipo on nba court with nba rules then he does in europe when you have 7 footer clogging the lane 24/7.It will make things easier on offensive end(and harder on defensive end).

[pacersGM]

You keep repeating yourself, you said "rename this topic to xx because blabla" at least 2-3 times before, you also promised to leave it about 4-5 times before and you stick to your word.. until Luka has a bad game to crawl back out and point out the bad stuff from that particular game as his flaws that are unfixable.

Why exactly is this something that can't possibly improve down the years?! I've seen multiple times that he was able to get past his man on the 1st step, but he slowed down for the step back instead of pushing through. They block him with bodies there and honestly there's no reason for him to go "all in" and force these layups as it's a big injury risk as most of his opponents are physically way stronger and more developed. Don't forget, he's playing against grown men in their prime physical condition.. Just start putting things into context ffs. I'm 99% sure that NCAA "superstars" would also struggle getting to the basket against Euro defense and centers (here defense is actually played and the 3sec rule doesn't exist, so the paint is always packed, literally no chance/way/reason for Luka to push in there while he has other options - when space opens up tho, like shown yesterday with behind the back layup and alley-oop, he can easily finish on the rim as well).

Stop facting around how something is impossible and forever unfixable.. or provide some actual factual evidence, not just your "expert" opinion.

we are not talking about the 3 second defensive rule. it has nothing to do with the 1 on 1 iso situations shown. thats what we are talking about.
you brought it so far that you dont even accept constructive criticism anymore. whats wrong with you dude?

i didnt make the video, someone else did, who supposetly knows some stuff since he is making a living from it, but you keep attacking me personaly each time.

again, whats wrong with you? i said he has minuses in his game, wich could and will dictate how succesful he will be in the best basketball league in the world, and you attacked me?

and dont get philosphical by saying he doeosnt WANT to go inside the lane since there is the 3 second defensive rule? are you listening to your self man? watch the video, where he clearly tries to break down seraphin and co. so you are talking nonsense realy man

this is gettings weird. mods, can you do something about it?

[Rn5ho]

Because you keep trying to convince us that there's no way that x can happen and that y can never ever be improved because currently it's not on high level. That's why, your posts are extremely irritating. He keeps proving you wrong and then you just find another thing to pick on and bring up until he masters/improves it, then you hide for a few weeks and come up with another.

This video you posted is focusing only and solely on Eurobasket. That was his 1st time playing a major role and honestly he exceeded all expectations there, nobody thought he'd be that good (because according to many, he was a finished product and couldn't progress much more). If you would stop just watching youtube videos and watch some actual games from Doncic, you'd know how big of a progress he's made since September. Everyone and their grandmas was pointing out during Eurobasket that he's too predictable, that he doesn't use a midrange jumper and does step back threes too much. Including me. And that was correct. But since then he changed that A LOT. He added midrange game to his repertoire (obviously still a WIP), he stopped relying 90% of the time on his stepback threes, he gets past his defender, but pretty much never chooses to finish at the rim (what I believe the reasons for that are, I explained in previous post and since you think "3sec rule is bull" - that's exactly why it's so hard to discuss with you).

He can't get past anyone?

https://youtu.be/9sPxV4YGNa0?t=1m48s

But this probably won't count (even though this happened more than a year ago, when he was 17 and a 5-10 mpg type of backup player). Do you notice what the difference here is? There's entirely empty space inside the box (compare it to pretty much all the situations in your video, where there's always 4-6 people inside the box). You really don't understand that this is a huge difference between Euro and NBA? The 3sec rule and bigger court, which adds this extra space. Luka is not nearly as bad (he's no freak) as some of you are trying to present him and if you'd watch him on regular basis, you'd appreciate the progress he's making and realize that what stood true few months ago in many cases doesn't anymore.