We "Don't" Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread

[yosemiteben]

We took a 19 year old and wanted to play him at a different position than he played in his one and only college season.

We need to use him Marco Belinelli style and just run him relentlessly off screens. His elite skill is C&S perimeter shooting and we very, very rarely use him for that.

I get that he will need PG skills to succeed long term, but he doesn't have those now and we need to either play to his current strengths or not play him at all and give all his minutes to Graham.

[catch20two]

Speaking of Belinelli. He’s gone full commando over the Hawks tank. The worst net rating of all rotation players on the team.

[JDR720]

He would be a fantastic player to put in the g league and let develop. Promote Paige since he and monk can do the same stuff

[Robot Rock]

This is the problem with drafting 19 year olds. Their cheap seasons they suck for so they aren't really a bargain. Right now he's unplayable. He's every bit as bad as MCW on offense and significantly worse on defense.

And then you have to decide whether or not to commit to them long term as a restricted free agent before you know if they're worth it yet.

As much as people talk about treadmilling it seems like they ignore the fact that drafting and subsequently locking yourself into Andrew WIggins type guys often results in multiple years of sucking combined with a few years of treadmilling.

The problem is we blew our wad on the Batum signing. We've got to try to get out of that deal somehow but I don't see how it's possible given his health this season. I wouldn't hesistate accepting Evan Turner + an expiring for him right now. Turner has one less year on his deal and we'd probably be able to move him at some point as an expiring deal.

Nah he's still better than MCW. MCW is the worst active player in the NBA.

MCW is handily better than Monk. That's not even really debatable.

[Robot Rock]

God, that was the laugh I needed.

[HoopsMalone]

Can't really have a serious conversation with anyone who thinks Monk is better than MCW... it's not close

[arthy704]

Can't really have a serious conversation with anyone who thinks Monk is better than MCW... it's not close

MCW can defend and have better pg skills and can make the kick to the wings he was here to be the defender and create a diversion in the drive plays to kick or occassional open shot as a 3rd option to shoot on the play. Monk is way too raw to understand shot selection and do also posess a decent pg skills but not enough to be turn over free just yet. So right now monk gets no playing time until he learn in drills which shot to take and what to do with ball base on how the defense is playing him. mcw needs to work on getting his mental right and make those layups!!! so he can be serviceable and hold down the 2nd unit he has the long body to easily get to the glass for a simple lay up easy 8 points off that will be good for him.

[Robot Rock]

"MCW is a far better player than Monk. Missing uncontested layups and contributing nothing is actually the mark of a great player. And MCW even contributes more than nothing, he occasionally knocks the ball loose before he misses his uncontested layups. Monk is at least a year away from being able to do that."

[Braggins]

Can't really have a serious conversation with anyone who thinks Monk is better than MCW... it's not close

Idk man, I feel like the farthest you can realistically go with your take would be to say that MCW's brand of suckiness is slightly favorably to Monk's, but I even doubt that at this point. MCW controlling the ball is at least as undesirable as Monk controlling the ball and he might be the worst shooting perimeter player in the entire league. I think having Monk stand in the corner and playing a Troy Daniels type role for a few minutes is preferable offensively to having MCW on the court in any role. I don't really care about MCW's defense either. I think our teams main problems defensively are scheme and effort, so I actually think we have enough defensive talent when healthy to play competent defense even with Monk getting 6-10 minutes. For instance, I don't think there is any excuse for a hypothetical bench lineup of Monk/Graham/Batum/Frank/Cody to not be competent defensively.

[JoJo21]

How has he looked so far?

[HoopsMalone]

Can't really have a serious conversation with anyone who thinks Monk is better than MCW... it's not close

Idk man, I feel like the farthest you can realistically go with your take would be to say that MCW's brand of suckiness is slightly favorably to Monk's, but I even doubt that at this point. MCW controlling the ball is at least as undesirable as Monk controlling the ball and he might be the worst shooting perimeter player in the entire league. I think having Monk stand in the corner and playing a Troy Daniels type role for a few minutes is preferable offensively to having MCW on the court in any role. I don't really care about MCW's defense either. I think our teams main problems defensively are scheme and effort, so I actually think we have enough defensive talent when healthy to play competent defense even with Monk getting 6-10 minutes. For instance, I don't think there is any excuse for a hypothetical bench lineup of Monk/Graham/Batum/Frank/Cody to not be competent defensively.

We're a full 2 points per 100 possessions worse with Monk in the game instead of MCW. And offensively, they're virtually tied. There's just no argument for Monk being better than MCW

[catch20two]

How has he looked so far?

He had a few good scoring games that got us excited about his future earlier in the season when he got consistent minutes but other than that he’s been real bad. Terrible shot selection, dismal efficiency, and he can’t defend anyone to the point where he can’t even stay in front of a 7fter dribbling from the 3pt line to the rim so needless to say what guards have been doing to him.

[Braggins]

Can't really have a serious conversation with anyone who thinks Monk is better than MCW... it's not close

Idk man, I feel like the farthest you can realistically go with your take would be to say that MCW's brand of suckiness is slightly favorably to Monk's, but I even doubt that at this point. MCW controlling the ball is at least as undesirable as Monk controlling the ball and he might be the worst shooting perimeter player in the entire league. I think having Monk stand in the corner and playing a Troy Daniels type role for a few minutes is preferable offensively to having MCW on the court in any role. I don't really care about MCW's defense either. I think our teams main problems defensively are scheme and effort, so I actually think we have enough defensive talent when healthy to play competent defense even with Monk getting 6-10 minutes. For instance, I don't think there is any excuse for a hypothetical bench lineup of Monk/Graham/Batum/Frank/Cody to not be competent defensively.

We're a full 2 points per 100 possessions worse with Monk in the game instead of MCW. And offensively, they're virtually tied. There's just no argument for Monk being better than MCW

I think this would be corrected by not having terrible coaching. We're utilizing Monk terribly. The difference offensively is currently bigger than you are implying and I think if Monk had/would play all of his minutes in an off ball SG role and hidden with some starters as much as possible that his offensive numbers would look considerably better than MCWs (still likely a negative though). His defense is going to be really bad either way, but I don't think it would matter as much in a team context if we weren't utilizing awful strategy.

I basically don't think there is any justification for pretty much ever having MCW on an NBA basketball court. Monk can at least hit a shot, so I think there are ways to make utilizing him more justifiable at this point, although neither can positively contribute right now.

[JoJo21]

How has he looked so far?

He had a few good scoring games that got us excited about his future earlier in the season when he got consistent minutes but other than that he’s been real bad. Terrible shot selection, dismal efficiency, and he can’t defend anyone to the point where he can’t even stay in front of a 7fter dribbling from the 3pt line to the rim so needless to say what guards have been doing to him.

Thanks.

[HoopsMalone]

Idk man, I feel like the farthest you can realistically go with your take would be to say that MCW's brand of suckiness is slightly favorably to Monk's, but I even doubt that at this point. MCW controlling the ball is at least as undesirable as Monk controlling the ball and he might be the worst shooting perimeter player in the entire league. I think having Monk stand in the corner and playing a Troy Daniels type role for a few minutes is preferable offensively to having MCW on the court in any role. I don't really care about MCW's defense either. I think our teams main problems defensively are scheme and effort, so I actually think we have enough defensive talent when healthy to play competent defense even with Monk getting 6-10 minutes. For instance, I don't think there is any excuse for a hypothetical bench lineup of Monk/Graham/Batum/Frank/Cody to not be competent defensively.

We're a full 2 points per 100 possessions worse with Monk in the game instead of MCW. And offensively, they're virtually tied. There's just no argument for Monk being better than MCW

I think this would be corrected by not having terrible coaching. We're utilizing Monk terribly. The difference offensively is currently bigger than you are implying and I think if Monk had/would play all of his minutes in an off ball SG role and hidden with some starters as much as possible that his offensive numbers would look considerably better than MCWs (still likely a negative though). His defense is going to be really bad either way, but I don't think it would matter as much in a team context if we weren't utilizing awful strategy.

I basically don't think there is any justification for pretty much ever having MCW on an NBA basketball court. Monk can at least hit a shot, so I think there are ways to make utilizing him more justifiable at this point, although neither can positively contribute right now.

The only argument you are making is acting as if RPM tells the entire story and thus that it is the only possible argument...

The problem is we can't play Monk with the starters because he can't play with Kemba defensively. When we play Monk with the backups he isn't quite good enough to carry the load offensively and he's still awful enough defensively that he's a real problem. We need to seriously consider sending him down to the G-league or just go ahead and start with the rebuild/tank and let him play. There aren't many ways to utilize him with this current roster while giving us a chance to win games.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I'm actually curious about a Kemba - Monk lineup. I agree about defensive issues, but I also think that it could create huge issues for the opposing team on the other end. Just have to score a bit more than they give up together. Could be really fun to watch.

Silas did have the two in together briefly during either the Orlando or Warriors game.

[JoJo21]

I'm actually curious about a Kemba - Monk lineup. I agree about defensive issues, but I also think that it could create huge issues for the opposing team on the other end. Just have to score a bit more than they give up together. Could be really fun to watch.

Silas did have the two in together briefly during either the Orlando or Warriors game.

I think that lineup would be awful on defense.

[euphorbus]

I'm actually curious about a Kemba - Monk lineup. I agree about defensive issues, but I also think that it could create huge issues for the opposing team on the other end. Just have to score a bit more than they give up together. Could be really fun to watch.

Silas did have the two in together briefly during either the Orlando or Warriors game.

I looked up the two-man lineups for the current season on Basketball Reference. The three worst two-man groups are Monk + Lamb (-77), Monk + Kaminsky (-80), Monk + Graham (-89). All three groups have played together at least 170 minutes this season. Monk's best teammate, as is everyone else's, is Kemba Walker, at +13. They have played 110 minutes together on the court.

I wish I could offer more suggestions than those I have already made, but of course the coaches listen to none of us. All I can say is that the Hornets are doing a singularly poor job in developing what should be their best draft pick in years. I think it starts with playing him at a position, point guard, to which he is naturally inclined, but for which he needs at least three more years preparation. The results speak for themselves.

[HornetJail]

I'm actually curious about a Kemba - Monk lineup. I agree about defensive issues, but I also think that it could create huge issues for the opposing team on the other end. Just have to score a bit more than they give up together. Could be really fun to watch.

Silas did have the two in together briefly during either the Orlando or Warriors game.

I think that lineup would be awful on defense.

doesn't stop Portland from putting Lillard/McCollum out there. Lillard is easily a worse defender than Kemba as well. With MKG, Marvin, Dwight behind them, it would be fine. It's not like we have anything to lose by trying it

[Radu_Hornets]

I would have never thought there would be a debate after 20 games to know which of Monk or MCW is the best player...

I don't care who's really riht about this... I'm just amazed we're discussing this.

#Isthisanotherdraftingfail #hesyoung #18pointsin7min #pleasedontbeanotherHairston.