Political Roundtable Part XVI

[closg00]

Obama did nothing to help the poor and middle class. Give me a break. Under Obama, the unemployment rate went from 9.5% in June 2009 to 4.8% in January 2017. The unemployment rate in November 2017 was 4.1%.

Yet you want to give Trump huge props for reducing the unemployment rate .7% while Obama reduced it by almost 5%.

#45 is riding a positive economic wave left behind by #44.

On top of that, I believe history will show that universal healthcare (or Obamacare) will be one of best things to ever happen for our economy...and the poor and middle class.

Here’s some job growth "facts" that I hope you’ll find enlightening


The numbers are all fake Trump said-so himself.

This needs to be pinned lol

So you guys can continue to lie to each other.

4.8-5% is about our norm since 1981. Obama git under it in 1 quarter!!! It if 8 years!!!!

You don't get credit for getting back to the norm!! We've been under 4.7 often. It's normal. Its when you get near 4.0 n under it are you moving needles.

Stock market was already at 14,000 n some change in 07. Took obama 6 years n 6 trillion to get back there. Then barely got over that. 18,000.

And he lost so many jobs in his first 2 years that he does nor getting any credit for getting them back.

I mean seriously what kind of lousy a statistics are you guys trying to use here???? You think we're fools.

And what's worse is he should have had the damn banks by the balls as I've said over and over. He could have crushed the bank's. nationalize them. Then made them healthy while writing off our entire national debt in the process and then sold the central Banks two different financiers. And while doing all of that he could have kept every single American in their homes that they already bought and purchased... writing offs ignition significant portions of their debt as well. The only losers would have been the billionaires. No American president will ever have that opportunity again most likely and he effing blew it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Pointgod]

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[Pointgod]

Crooked Corker. Turns out the Republicans added a provision that benefits Corker and Trump.

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[stilldropin20]

Loyalty oaths (Comey), purging the ranks, talks of creating his own spy networks etc etc.

Not to get all melodramatic but I'm concerned about where this is all headed...

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Random observation: Isn't it interesting how the intelligence agencies/DOJ suddenly became a bastion of liberalism?

You all know the narrative: "Obama's DOJ, The Deep State" etc etc

It's commonly known that these institutions (military as well) are probably more conservative than the general population.

It's just funny to watch Hannity and his deplorable ilk meltdown (and lie).

Trump truly wants to be Putin 2.0

every single president gets thier own people in their. Thats how its suppose to happen. and it should happen in the first month. im sick and tired of the senate dragging azz on these appointments just to obfuscate and to grand stand on the senate floor.

the senate sat on nearly all of trumps appointees for nearly a year. Most are still not confirmed yet by the senate. INcluding the GOP. The GOP is in on slowing down his appointees so they can control him.

the GOP and D's dont want to give trump full control of his executive branch because he will hold all of their feet to the fire to implement his campaign pledges. something neither the D's nor many Rino's, and the established congressional cartel wants to do.

neither the D's nor the GOP want change because the wealthy elites than own both parties dont want change. All the established DC bureaurocrats like it just the way it is. they continue to get rich, their "sponsors" get even richer. all on the backs of the middle class.

Trump wants to change DC. the entire culture. and all of its stench. he keeps his own counsel. he owes no one anything.

[Doug_Blew]

So you guys can continue to lie to each other.

4.8-5% is about our norm since 1981. Obama git under it in 1 quarter!!! It if 8 years!!!!

You don't get credit for getting back to the norm!! We've been under 4.7 often. It's normal. Its when you get near 4.0 n under it are you moving needles.

Stock market was already at 14,000 n some change in 07. Took obama 6 years n 6 trillion to get back there. Then barely got over that. 18,000.

And he lost so many jobs in his first 2 years that he does nor getting any credit for getting them back.

I mean seriously what kind of lousy a statistics are you guys trying to use here???? You think we're fools.

And what's worse is he should have had the damn banks by the balls as I've said over and over. He could have crushed the bank's. nationalize them. Then made them healthy while writing off our entire national debt in the process and then sold the central Banks two different financiers. And while doing all of that he could have kept every single American in their homes that they already bought and purchased... writing offs ignition significant portions of their debt as well. The only losers would have been the billionaires. No American president will ever have that opportunity again most likely and he effing blew it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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It took 30 years for the stock market to recover from the Great Depression. It was looking pretty dire after the Bush years.

Here's the S&P chart under Obama and Trump up until October. I'm not seeing a drastic change once Trump took over. I only see a bunch of Trump disciples suddenly believing that the unemployment numbers aren't fake and that the Stock Market going up is a good thing.

Get out of your bubble that you and your 1000s of brown police friends are in.

[dckingsfan]

[stilldropin20]

thank you DCkings!!!!

what he is showing you clown statisticians(seriously keep your day jobs, christ!) is that the SnP is the most steady index we have. its like hitting .280 in baseball. or a SG hitting 42% of his 2 pt shots.

Big effing deal. and in fact the snp has underperformed in the last 10 years. 8 of which were under obama. IN the last 2 years we are only getting back to where we were 18 years ago. and barely!!!!

You dont get credit for being a .300 designated hitter, then signing a big contract, then your average drops to .250 for 4 years, then each year after you add .010 to you averga and 8 years after you signed the big contract you are a .290 hitter. You still effin suck, man!!!! and you especially sucked for your entire first 6-7 years of that contract. especially if you are not winning gold gloves in the field. in fact, basically worthless elsewhere. Obama got his azz handed to him by putin, by iran, by isis, by trade deals, by china, by japan, by everyone, even his own obamacare imploded in his face as he was leaving office. did we win anywhere!!!!!?????

i literally cant stop laughing at all these stats from march 2009. What a joke. he was voted in in November 2008. And everyone knew he would win in june july 2008. He was going to be the president and everyone knew it as early as July 2008. The confidence that the international investment community has in the incoming president immediately begins to reflect in our markets. even as early as september and october, if you have huge leads in the polls. and obama certainly had or almost had double digit leads in most swing states that mattered. Everyone knew he would win and as early as June-July 2008. and the national and international investment community had no confidence in him to right the ship let alone keep the ship afloat. They pulled out everything.

With trump in Nov 2016 they dumped everything back into our markets!! Compared to pulling everything oiut as Obama would become commander in chief. One guy when on the verge of getting elected and we drop 7000 points NYSE months and the s n p 500 drops in half as well. another guys gets elected and the s np nearly doubled the other is up 7000 almost 40%!!!!

Complete difference between 2 men. 1 was a constituional law scholar and the other a 50 year international business/real estate tycoon billionaire. The international investment community has spoken in regards to how they feel about that kind of difference. So how about we stop electing rookies with a polished vocabulary and look good in front of the camera!!???

Look folks, I had high hopes too. But Obama was a novice, man. A complete rookie. He had no plan. no ideas. nothing. he was an identity politician. he gave us cross gender bathrooms. thats about it. color me impressed. Yay!!

[Pointgod]

Just remember this. Donald Trump is dying to look Barrack Obama in the face and say, "I helped the poor. you didn't. I helped the middle class, you didnt. And Im still a billionaire!! you're not." help this man say these words to that man is all I got to say on this. and I will keep saying it here daily until it sinks in. It does NOT matter the motivation. The end game is all that matters. If you need to, just say Obama played a jedi mind trick on trump to motivate trump to do these things. whatever you need to tell yourself. Just help this man help you!!! If you show him loyalty he will become loyal. Thats how his kind of mind works. He gave Omarosa a job at the white house for christ sakes!!!!! And would have kept her if she played her cards more patiently. Donald trump is a billionaire who fancies himself a hero to the working class. Its not that uncommon for the wealthy to feel this way. He wants to help. let him help.

I'd add that there is nothing he has done since he became elected that has hurt the middle class or the poor. In fact he has helped them greatly with a strong economy, strong growth, and strong jobs numbers, historically low unemployment numbers, and the credit markets are flush with cash.

ah, but lets keep taking about russia gate! obstruction of justice gate!! puzzy gate!!!!! All in lieu of the real needle moving issues that matter.

Obama did nothing to help the poor and middle class. Give me a break. Under Obama, the unemployment rate went from 9.5% in June 2009 to 4.8% in January 2017. The unemployment rate in November 2017 was 4.1%.

Yet you want to give Trump huge props for reducing the unemployment rate .7% while Obama reduced it by almost 5%.

#45 is riding a positive economic wave left behind by #44.

On top of that, I believe history will show that universal healthcare (or Obamacare) will be one of best things to ever happen for our economy...and the poor and middle class.

Here’s some job growth "facts" that I hope you’ll find enlightening

Obama’s Final Jobs Report Marks 75 Consecutive Months of Growth
This is from a Jan. 6, 2017 CNN Money article:
Overall, President Obama has presided over 75 straight months of job gains, a record. It's a remarkable period, given that when he took office, the U.S. was losing about 800,000 jobs a month. Congress ... It took until May 2014 for the U.S. to finally gain back all the 8.7 million jobs lost during the downturn.
http://money.cnn.com/gallery/news/economy/2017/01/06/obama-economy-10-charts-final/2.html

How Trump compares with Obama so far on jobs
Donald Trump's job record as president so far has been pretty good. It's just not as good as Barack Obama's.
Employers added 1,189,000 jobs in February through August, according to data released Friday.

That falls short of the 1,375,000 jobs created during Obama's last seven months.

At the current pace, the U.S. would add about 1.9 million jobs in 2017. ... That would continue a downward trend since the economy added nearly 3 million net new jobs — an average of 250,000 a month — in 2014 in the best year of labor market growth since the late 1990s.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/01/news/economy/jobs-trump-vs-obama/index.html?sr=twCNN090117economy0209PMVODtopLink

This is from a Sept. 20, 2017 article in Politifact, which takes into account the job growth numbers through August 2017.

The highest monthly job gain under Trump -- 232,000 -- was exceeded in 28 separate months on Obama’s watch.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/sep/20/donald-trump/how-strong-job-growth-been-trumps-watch/

This is from a Dec. 8, 2017 article (see link below):

In the nine months beginning in February, the economy has added 163,000 jobs per month on average. In the three years before Trump took office, job growth was higher (250,000 per month in 2014, 226,000 per month in 2015 and 187,000 per month in 2016).
https://www.marketplace.org/2017/12/08/economy/under-trump-administration-so-far-monthly-job-creation-has-continued

Wages also started to inch up under the Obama Administration. This is from a January 7, 2017 article:

Having a job is one thing. Having a job that pays well is another. And slowly through Obama's tenure, those wages have inched upward. In fact, wages were one bright spot of Friday's jobs report. Average hourly wages were up by 2.9 percent in December. After several years of hovering around 2 percent, that's welcome growth.
https://www.npr.org/2017/01/07/508600239/what-kind-of-jobs-president-has-obama-been-in-8-charts

Let’s be honest. The wealth gap increased under Obama but based on the fact that he inherited one of the worst economic messes in history the numbers have to be taken into context. One thing that doesn’t get mentioned is that Republicans blocked every. Imagine how much growth could have occurred with a congress and senate that actually wanted to help the American people instead of scoring political points. One of the biggest mistakes Obama made was thinking that Republicans were rational actors and could be reasoned with.

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what do they have to hide?? subpoena them!!!

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ummm...guys...this one is kinda bad. apparently in an effort to get his rediculous Iran deal done, Obama allowed hezbollah drug dealers cocaine to traffic in the US with impunity.

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[stilldropin20]

Also dershowitz has spoken as has Tom Jarrod.

Those transition team emails did not belong to the government. they were in fact private and remain property of the transition team.

Nor did they belong to GSA-who was watching them. GSA had no grounds to allow Mueller access. For the record GSA are the custodians of the real property belonging to the government or government rented buildings. They are nobodies. If they worked in private industry they would earn no $20 per hour. Because its GSA they earn 30-40 per hour. They hire contractors to install carpet when an office needs new carpet for example. they happened to be "watching" emails belonging to the trump transition team.

so yeah, my legal instincts were right (again) yesterday. Mueller needed a subpoena to get those emails.

speaking of "again" this popped in my head. its better loud. so turn it up!

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[stilldropin20]

is this the final edit on the story, CNN?


http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/12/13/cnns-anderson-cooper-says-hacker-called-trump-pathetic-loser-from-his-verified-twitter.html?intcmp=ob_article_sidebar_video&intcmp=obnetwork

[stilldropin20]

dis mofongo aint playin' witya.

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[closg00]

Also dershowitz has spoken as has Tom Jarrod.

Those transition team emails did not belong to the government. they were in fact private and remain property of the transition team.

Nor did they belong to GSA-who was watching them. GSA had no grounds to allow Mueller access. For the record GSA are the custodians of the real property belonging to the government or government rented buildings. They are nobodies. If they worked in private industry they would earn no $20 per hour. Because its GSA they earn 30-40 per hour. They hire contractors to install carpet when an office needs new carpet for example. they happened to be "watching" emails belonging to the trump transition team.

so yeah, my legal instincts were right (again) yesterday. Mueller needed a subpoena to get those emails.

speaking of "again" this popped in my head. its better loud. so turn it up!

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Cry me a river, the emails were obtained by simply asking for them. Trump who asked a foreign power to help find Clinton's missing emails.

Oh, I love Joy Division

[cammac]

The republicans are in such a rush to pass the new reprehensible tax code that they admit that they must have a new tax code to correct this abomination.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/republican-tax-bill-technical-corrections_us_5a380422e4b01d429ccb49c8

The provision that’s probably gone through the most mutations, and the one experts say is ripest for abuse, is a new deduction for certain types of business income.

The final bill also contains a new provision allowing pass-through companies to count the value of physical property toward their deduction ― an apparent gift to the real estate industry.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/gop-tax-bill-wealthy-benefit_us_5a381cf4e4b0860bf4aa4b6c
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/sites/default/files/publication/150816/2001641_distributional_analysis_of_the_conference_agreement_for_the_tax_cuts_and_jobs_act.pdf

Compared to current law, taxes would fall for all income groups on average in 2018, increasing overall
average after-tax income by 2.2 percent. In general, tax cuts as a percentage of after-tax income would be
larger for higher-income groups, with the largest cuts as a share of income going to taxpayers in the 95th to
99th percentiles of the income distribution.

[nate33]

Trump who asked a foreign power to help find Clinton's missing emails.

I made the mistake of checking in on this thread.

Are you serious? Do you really think Trump's one-liner joke in a stump speech (a really funny joke, by the way) was actually a sincere appeal to Russia to hack Clinton's email?

[TGW]

The republicans are in such a rush to pass the new reprehensible tax code that they admit that they must have a new tax code to correct this abomination.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/republican-tax-bill-technical-corrections_us_5a380422e4b01d429ccb49c8

The provision that’s probably gone through the most mutations, and the one experts say is ripest for abuse, is a new deduction for certain types of business income.

The final bill also contains a new provision allowing pass-through companies to count the value of physical property toward their deduction ― an apparent gift to the real estate industry.

Apparently this provision is what turned that spineless hypocrite Bob Corker, a so-called "fiscal conservative," from a nay vote to a last-minute yay vote. He would stand to get $1.1MM per year in tax savings with this provision, although this bill would add $1.8T to the deficit. Talk about corrupt.

But what's even more disgusting to me is that corporate establishment scumbags Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are planning to vote for Trump's tax bill minus the DACA provision. The people who've been disingenuously calling themselves "The Resistance" are going to approve this horrible tax bill because they don't want to come off as obstructionists. Completely reprehensible two-party shenanigans at work here to steal from hard-working Americans to go to the wealthy class. That's why corporate dems are NOT fighting it...they get a piece of the tax giveaway too.

[TGW]

You say bought and paid for, I say professional representative of constituents. There's nothing wrong with exercising your right to free speech. If you're going to condemn politicians for representing the people who care enough to fund their elections you're shutting yourself out of the political dialogue entirely. The internet has made it possible for a large number of small donors to drown out the voices of a small number of wealthy donors - as long as you stay engaged in the process.

LOL so you think it's okay for Joe Manchin to vote against coal mining regulation because the coal mining industry "has the right to exercise their free speech" by giving him hundreds of thousands of dollars towards his campaign? It's okay for Claire McCaskill to vote against single-payer, even though her constituency overwhelmingly wanted it, because the healthcare companies were "exercising free speech" by giving her millions of dollars?

C'mon dude...that's not a democracy. That's corruption. And if you can show me an example of a corporate, establishment politician ignoring their large donors for small ones, I want to see that. Sounds like you're making excuses.

YES GODDAMMIT. YOU ARE NOT LISTENING. FAIR has NOTHING to do with it. Sitting in your corner whining IT'S NOT FAIR, I DON'T LIKE THIS GAME, I QUIT.

COWARD.

Do I think it's right that billionaires get their way because jerks like you sit on their hands and let them get away with it? You're goddam right it's wrong and it's YOUR FAULT.

Who gets to decide what's right and wrong in this country? The cave trolls who sit in their mother's basements whining about mean billionaires taking everything unopposed? Or the people who stand up to the bullies and fight?

What the hell are you babbling about, psycho? Put down the pipe.

People FIGHT those a-holes everyday. People like me who give Bernie Sanders $32 at a time towards his campaign. But you can't bring a knife to a gun-fight (with that gun being an automatic assault rifle). They own both sides of the aisle, and morons like you condone it. Corruption is "free speech" to you, lol. I can't even have a reasonable discussion with you...you're like STD, but your pompoms are for the Democrats.

[dckingsfan]

Let’s be honest. The wealth gap increased under Obama but based on the fact that he inherited one of the worst economic messes in history the numbers have to be taken into context. One thing that doesn’t get mentioned is that Republicans blocked every. Imagine how much growth could have occurred with a congress and senate that actually wanted to help the American people instead of scoring political points. One of the biggest mistakes Obama made was thinking that Republicans were rational actors and could be reasoned with.

Actually, if we are being honest, it was the Fed that helped increase the wealth gap the most with QE.

Next was the stimulus - it wasn't paid for on the backs of the wealthy - quite the opposite. And if the Rs didn't "block" the additional stimulus it would have been worse.

Don't get me wrong - the Rs are proving just where there loyalty likes (or doesn't) with this tax bill. It isn't fairer, it hasn't been simplified, it isn't sustainable and it won't help grow the economy.

However, the history of the Ds and their carveouts have been just as bad (historically).

Maybe instead of pointing at the Rs - get in on the locals and start talking about sustainable government. Start talking about a flat tax with no deductions (and no special carveouts for real estate and investment income). Start talking about what should be done and how.

Well, my two cents anyway.

[cammac]

Trump who asked a foreign power to help find Clinton's missing emails.

I made the mistake of checking in on this thread.

Are you serious? Do you really think Trump's one-liner joke in a stump speech (a really funny joke, by the way) was actually a sincere appeal to Russia to hack Clinton's email?

Your opinion on sense of humor goes contrary to most peoples opinion!
By the way find the cloud image of Trump very informative in that he and his contemptible crew and family will be blown away to the ashes of history starting with the 2018 midterms and 2020 Presidential Elections.

[TGW]

Trump who asked a foreign power to help find Clinton's missing emails.

I made the mistake of checking in on this thread.

Are you serious? Do you really think Trump's one-liner joke in a stump speech (a really funny joke, by the way) was actually a sincere appeal to Russia to hack Clinton's email?

Your opinion on sense of humor goes contrary to most peoples opinion!
By the way find the cloud image of Trump very informative in that he and his contemptible crew and family will be blown away to the ashes of history starting with the 2018 midterms and 2020 Presidential Elections.

2018 is going to be a bloodbath. Sweeping Republican losses across the country.

Faux News is going to be can't miss TV that night.