Star Wars Episode VIII - SPOILERS

[shtolky]

YES! THIS THIS THIS. Some of the humor fit in the movie, but other times...just...no. If GL had input, like you said in your other post he should have (which I also agree with), he'd have scrapped it. There's a difference between SW humor and forced humor (/Disney humor).

Going with the NJO (or the legends in general) would have been amazing. Imagine Jacen, Ben, Anakin, Lumiya!, Jaina, Yuuzhan Vong, Mara Jade, Kyle Katarn...

The Phantom Menace literally had Jar Jar Binks saying "icky icky goo" after stepping in a pile of sh*t, followed by a creature ripping a giant ass fart in his face which elicited the oh so eloquently written line of "pee yousa." And Jar Jar himself. I can't believe TLJ humor bothered you but the GL brand of humor didn't.

That bothered me as well. Jar Jar's whole character was a joke, though. Some of the jokes in this one just seemed forced and not right.

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Luke brushing dirt off? Not a fan. Leia / Luke with the "yes, my hair changed" that was cool with me because that's Leia's humor.

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Side note, Carrie Fisher wrote that line herself. The Luke brushing off was great because it only enhanced his legend after that scene occurred. You can bet your ass those kids "playing Luke Skywalker" at the end knew he did that. Especially broom kid.

[poeman]

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The tie-fighters made a direct hit...Her body should be various pieces by the explosion. I didn't know force users could hang out in space without any assistance. It REALLY was unnecessary as a scene...

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AND just because she's force sensitive, which is all she was - she never used the force in the current canon, does not mean she automatically has control of her abilities. She's just like every other unrefined force-sensitive being.

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This is fun seeing all the spoiler tags. My response to that is, we've seen untrained people use the force before. Luke in A New Hope on the Falcon when he deflects the blaster bolt, and when he blows up the Death Star. I would say Leia had more force training simply by being around Luke for decades post Return of the Jedi than Luke had from Obi Wan in A New Hope. And we had Rey use a mind trick on the Daniel Craig stormtrooper and at the end against Kylo Ren in the forest. And Leia has used the force before, just mentally, but I don't see a difference between the mental and the physical. She communicates with Luke at the end of Empire, and "feels" that he's still alive at the end of Jedi. I just don't see the uproar with that scene. I thought it was actually long overdue and awesome. I just think a lot of the things people have an issue with were so out of left field that it left people not liking things that weren't bad at all. Just my opinion. Try and see it a 2nd time.

Not paying to see this thing a 2nd time in the theater. There needs to be a big drop-off for Disney to realize they made or approved a ton of nonsense. It made alot already first weekend, which is a given

[NBA Fan 1234]

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The tie-fighters made a direct hit...Her body should be various pieces by the explosion. I didn't know force users could hang out in space without any assistance. It REALLY was unnecessary as a scene...

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AND just because she's force sensitive, which is all she was - she never used the force in the current canon, does not mean she automatically has control of her abilities. She's just like every other unrefined force-sensitive being.

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This is fun seeing all the spoiler tags. My response to that is, we've seen untrained people use the force before. Luke in A New Hope on the Falcon when he deflects the blaster bolt, and when he blows up the Death Star. I would say Leia had more force training simply by being around Luke for decades post Return of the Jedi than Luke had from Obi Wan in A New Hope. And we had Rey use a mind trick on the Daniel Craig stormtrooper and at the end against Kylo Ren in the forest. And Leia has used the force before, just mentally, but I don't see a difference between the mental and the physical. She communicates with Luke at the end of Empire, and "feels" that he's still alive at the end of Jedi. I just don't see the uproar with that scene. I thought it was actually long overdue and awesome. I just think a lot of the things people have an issue with were so out of left field that it left people not liking things that weren't bad at all. Just my opinion. Try and see it a 2nd time.

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I knew you were gonna bring up the untrained users thing and I honestly don't have an answer for it. Still...her being indestructible and surviving in space seemed off. I think her feeling something is way different from actually using the force. Not sure how to explain it, though. She never had training (I know, Rey didn't either)...and now she's doing something we've literally never seen in any iteration of SW anywhere? That's bizarre.

On a positive note, Porgs are awesome, the brief clip we saw of Luke's temple was cool / more on Ben and why he turned was cool (but we needed more temple...wayyyy more, I think), I thought Canto Bight was cool, loved the boy using the force at the end and thought that was a cool tease for the future, I think Rose was a good character, I thought Holdo was a good character (but they did a bad job with her - she couldn't tell Poe her plan...? really?), and I LOVE how powerful they made Luke. Luke being able to project himself across the galaxy made the entire movie for me.

Gonna be busy the next couple of months, but if I have time I might. If not, I'll definitely rewatch it like I do all other SW movies/shows.

[NBA Fan 1234]

The Phantom Menace literally had Jar Jar Binks saying "icky icky goo" after stepping in a pile of sh*t, followed by a creature ripping a giant ass fart in his face which elicited the oh so eloquently written line of "pee yousa." And Jar Jar himself. I can't believe TLJ humor bothered you but the GL brand of humor didn't.

That bothered me as well. Jar Jar's whole character was a joke, though. Some of the jokes in this one just seemed forced and not right.

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Luke brushing dirt off? Not a fan. Leia / Luke with the "yes, my hair changed" that was cool with me because that's Leia's humor.

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Side note, Carrie Fisher wrote that line herself. The Luke brushing off was great because it only enhanced his legend after that scene occurred. You can bet your ass those kids "playing Luke Skywalker" at the end knew he did that. Especially broom kid.

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Had no idea she wrote that one herself. That line was absolutely perfect. I wonder what's going to happen with her character. Last I read, they weren't going to hologram her (which I agree with). It really is so sad what happened with Fisher. The "In loving memory of our Princess, Carrie Fisher" was a tear jerker. I'd LOVE to see Disney make her an official Disney princess, but I doubt that happens.

You saw the last scene with the kid using the force to bring him the broom, right? Future character?!

[don't panac]

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Seriously, wtf was that?

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She's a Skywalker who has already been shown to use the force. If force users can pull objects to themselves, why can't they pull themselves to an object. Why is this so reviled by some?

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The tie-fighters made a direct hit...Her body should be various pieces by the explosion. I didn't know force users could hang out in space without any assistance. It REALLY was unnecessary as a scene...

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i agree that that specific scene was poorly executed. possibly the worst in the movie, together with the bombers dropping the bombs on the jaggernaut (i would have to re-watch the scene to see if the bombs gravity-dropped or were pushed out from above, which would salvage the physics to some extent)
but Leia was always capable of using the force, and thus her reaching out/he force helping her under the circumstances does not bother me too much. nor is he tie -figher hitting the area a big issue: the hits pierce the shell and stuff is sucked out in the space vacuum. That is pretty standard fare for not-hard sci-fi movies (and SW physics were always way beyond suspect, including and especially the OT).
however, i agree it should have been written better and specifically not in a christopher reeve superman's fashion, although in my opinion it is a minor blunder, like ther are many in all the SW movies

[SmoothLefty21]

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Seriously, wtf was that?

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She's a Skywalker who has already been shown to use the force. If force users can pull objects to themselves, why can't they pull themselves to an object. Why is this so reviled by some?

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The tie-fighters made a direct hit...Her body should be various pieces by the explosion. I didn't know force users could hang out in space without any assistance. It REALLY was unnecessary as a scene...

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Not to mention - why were the TIEs able to damage the bridge when pretty much every other shot from the FO was deflected by the cruiser's shields?

[don't panac]

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She's a Skywalker who has already been shown to use the force. If force users can pull objects to themselves, why can't they pull themselves to an object. Why is this so reviled by some?

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The tie-fighters made a direct hit...Her body should be various pieces by the explosion. I didn't know force users could hang out in space without any assistance. It REALLY was unnecessary as a scene...

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i agree that that specific scene was poorly executed. possibly the worst in the movie, together with the bombers dropping the bombs on the jaggernaut (i would have to re-watch the scene to see if the bombs gravity-dropped or were pushed out from above, which would salvage the physics to some extent)
but Leia was always capable of using the force, and thus her reaching out/he force helping her under the circumstances does not bother me too much. nor is he tie -figher hitting the area a big issue: the hits pierce the shell and stuff is sucked out in the space vacuum. That is pretty standard fare for not-hard sci-fi movies (and SW physics were always way beyond suspect, including and especially the OT).
however, i agree it should have been written better and specifically not in a christopher reeve superman's fashion, although in my opinion it is a minor blunder, like ther are many in all the SW movies

may i ask what is the point of having an entire thread in which basically every post is under spoiler tags?
it is annoying for people who are discussing the movie, and anyone who would not want to be 'spoiled', shouldn't come to this thread anyway (and in any case they will get zero out of it, since all they see is spoiler tags which they will not open).

just edit the thread title with "MAJOR SPOILERS INSIDE" and let people who wants to discuss the movie do so freely, and others avoid it

[shtolky]

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AND just because she's force sensitive, which is all she was - she never used the force in the current canon, does not mean she automatically has control of her abilities. She's just like every other unrefined force-sensitive being.

Spoiler:

This is fun seeing all the spoiler tags. My response to that is, we've seen untrained people use the force before. Luke in A New Hope on the Falcon when he deflects the blaster bolt, and when he blows up the Death Star. I would say Leia had more force training simply by being around Luke for decades post Return of the Jedi than Luke had from Obi Wan in A New Hope. And we had Rey use a mind trick on the Daniel Craig stormtrooper and at the end against Kylo Ren in the forest. And Leia has used the force before, just mentally, but I don't see a difference between the mental and the physical. She communicates with Luke at the end of Empire, and "feels" that he's still alive at the end of Jedi. I just don't see the uproar with that scene. I thought it was actually long overdue and awesome. I just think a lot of the things people have an issue with were so out of left field that it left people not liking things that weren't bad at all. Just my opinion. Try and see it a 2nd time.

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I knew you were gonna bring up the untrained users thing and I honestly don't have an answer for it. Still...her being indestructible and surviving in space seemed off. I think her feeling something is way different from actually using the force. Not sure how to explain it, though. She never had training (I know, Rey didn't either)...and now she's doing something we've literally never seen in any iteration of SW anywhere? That's bizarre.

On a positive note, Porgs are awesome, the brief clip we saw of Luke's temple was cool / more on Ben and why he turned was cool (but we needed more temple...wayyyy more, I think), I thought Canto Bight was cool, loved the boy using the force at the end and thought that was a cool tease for the future, I think Rose was a good character, I thought Holdo was a good character (but they did a bad job with her - she couldn't tell Poe her plan...? really?), and I LOVE how powerful they made Luke. Luke being able to project himself across the galaxy made the entire movie for me.

Gonna be busy the next couple of months, but if I have time I might. If not, I'll definitely rewatch it like I do all other SW movies/shows.

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Last thing before I head home from work. Surviving in space for a few seconds isn't that far fetched. Plus, it's a series about space wizards and aliens and laser swords, so you gotta suspend disbelief a bit. She pulled herself to the ship in the same way she'd pull an object to herself. I don't see it as THAT different. I mean we saw Palpatine use lightening at the end of Jedi and that was something we had never seen. Even the thing with Luke that you loved (which I also did), that's DEFINITELY something we'd never seen and easily the most bad ass thing we've seen force wise in this entire series. We also saw Kylo Ren mind f*ck Poe and put Rey to sleep with the wave of his hand.

I also would have liked to see more of the temple/Ben stuff, but that scene repeated 3x did its job, showing why Luke exiled himself. The broom boy at the end to me was just a symbol. We won't actually see him again. Just showing that a "nobody" can be just as heroic and idealistic as a Skywalker (this is the entire point of Rey's parents being drunk **** who gave her up. She's a "nobody" who is literally now the last jedi). Rose was very good and I liked her a lot. Holdo I think didn't tell Poe the plan because of their first encounter when she calls him a hothead, flyboy, etc. Loose lips sink ships. Not the best explanation but this didn't bother me.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Spoiler:

The tie-fighters made a direct hit...Her body should be various pieces by the explosion. I didn't know force users could hang out in space without any assistance. It REALLY was unnecessary as a scene...

Spoiler:

i agree that that specific scene was poorly executed. possibly the worst in the movie, together with the bombers dropping the bombs on the jaggernaut (i would have to re-watch the scene to see if the bombs gravity-dropped or were pushed out from above, which would salvage the physics to some extent)
but Leia was always capable of using the force, and thus her reaching out/he force helping her under the circumstances does not bother me too much. nor is he tie -figher hitting the area a big issue: the hits pierce the shell and stuff is sucked out in the space vacuum. That is pretty standard fare for not-hard sci-fi movies (and SW physics were always way beyond suspect, including and especially the OT).
however, i agree it should have been written better and specifically not in a christopher reeve superman's fashion, although in my opinion it is a minor blunder, like ther are many in all the SW movies

may i ask what is the point of having an entire thread in which basically every post is under spoiler tags?
it is annoying for people who are discussing the movie, and anyone who would not want to be 'spoiled', shouldn't come to this thread anyway (and in any case they will get zero out of it, since all they see is spoiler tags which they will not open).

just edit the thread title with "MAJOR SPOILERS INSIDE" and let people who wants to discuss the movie do so freely, and others avoid it

Is clicking spoiler really that annoying? Gonna keep it like this for a little while longer and then I'll change to *major spoilers inside* in the thread.

[don't panac]

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i agree that that specific scene was poorly executed. possibly the worst in the movie, together with the bombers dropping the bombs on the jaggernaut (i would have to re-watch the scene to see if the bombs gravity-dropped or were pushed out from above, which would salvage the physics to some extent)
but Leia was always capable of using the force, and thus her reaching out/he force helping her under the circumstances does not bother me too much. nor is he tie -figher hitting the area a big issue: the hits pierce the shell and stuff is sucked out in the space vacuum. That is pretty standard fare for not-hard sci-fi movies (and SW physics were always way beyond suspect, including and especially the OT).
however, i agree it should have been written better and specifically not in a christopher reeve superman's fashion, although in my opinion it is a minor blunder, like ther are many in all the SW movies

may i ask what is the point of having an entire thread in which basically every post is under spoiler tags?
it is annoying for people who are discussing the movie, and anyone who would not want to be 'spoiled', shouldn't come to this thread anyway (and in any case they will get zero out of it, since all they see is spoiler tags which they will not open).

just edit the thread title with "MAJOR SPOILERS INSIDE" and let people who wants to discuss the movie do so freely, and others avoid it

Is clicking spoiler really that annoying? Gonna keep it like this for a little while longer and then I'll change to *major spoilers inside* in the thread.

frankly, to me it is (nothing earth-shattering obviously, it just detracts from the experience), you can't just browse through the thread, you have to stop at every post and unlock the text AND all the quoted text to get the context

[NBA Fan 1234]

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This is fun seeing all the spoiler tags. My response to that is, we've seen untrained people use the force before. Luke in A New Hope on the Falcon when he deflects the blaster bolt, and when he blows up the Death Star. I would say Leia had more force training simply by being around Luke for decades post Return of the Jedi than Luke had from Obi Wan in A New Hope. And we had Rey use a mind trick on the Daniel Craig stormtrooper and at the end against Kylo Ren in the forest. And Leia has used the force before, just mentally, but I don't see a difference between the mental and the physical. She communicates with Luke at the end of Empire, and "feels" that he's still alive at the end of Jedi. I just don't see the uproar with that scene. I thought it was actually long overdue and awesome. I just think a lot of the things people have an issue with were so out of left field that it left people not liking things that weren't bad at all. Just my opinion. Try and see it a 2nd time.

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I knew you were gonna bring up the untrained users thing and I honestly don't have an answer for it. Still...her being indestructible and surviving in space seemed off. I think her feeling something is way different from actually using the force. Not sure how to explain it, though. She never had training (I know, Rey didn't either)...and now she's doing something we've literally never seen in any iteration of SW anywhere? That's bizarre.

On a positive note, Porgs are awesome, the brief clip we saw of Luke's temple was cool / more on Ben and why he turned was cool (but we needed more temple...wayyyy more, I think), I thought Canto Bight was cool, loved the boy using the force at the end and thought that was a cool tease for the future, I think Rose was a good character, I thought Holdo was a good character (but they did a bad job with her - she couldn't tell Poe her plan...? really?), and I LOVE how powerful they made Luke. Luke being able to project himself across the galaxy made the entire movie for me.

Gonna be busy the next couple of months, but if I have time I might. If not, I'll definitely rewatch it like I do all other SW movies/shows.

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Last thing before I head home from work. Surviving in space for a few seconds isn't that far fetched. Plus, it's a series about space wizards and aliens and laser swords, so you gotta suspend disbelief a bit. She pulled herself to the ship in the same way she'd pull an object to herself. I don't see it as THAT different. I mean we saw Palpatine use lightening at the end of Jedi and that was something we had never seen. Even the thing with Luke that you loved (which I also did), that's DEFINITELY something we'd never seen and easily the most bad ass thing we've seen force wise in this entire series. We also saw Kylo Ren mind f*ck Poe and put Rey to sleep with the wave of his hand.

I also would have liked to see more of the temple/Ben stuff, but that scene repeated 3x did its job, showing why Luke exiled himself. The broom boy at the end to me was just a symbol. We won't actually see him again. Just showing that a "nobody" can be just as heroic and idealistic as a Skywalker (this is the entire point of Rey's parents being drunk **** who gave her up. She's a "nobody" who is literally now the last jedi). Rose was very good and I liked her a lot. Holdo I think didn't tell Poe the plan because of their first encounter when she calls him a hothead, flyboy, etc. Loose lips sink ships. Not the best explanation but this didn't bother me.

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Part of me wants to think that Kylo was just trying to egg her on when he said her parents were drunk nobodies - trying to get her to turn. I think that'd be a cool thing to do, but I doubt they do it. My issue with Leia using the force like that is that it was out of the blue with no training. If another one who was trained had done it, I would have been ok with it. I'm good with Kylo doing what he did because I'm chalking that up to his training; Palp was super strong; and Luke projecting himself was done in the books.

I wanted to see more of the temple because of the Jedi-aspect. We know nothing about how many people he taught (and what happened to those who went with Kylo), what they were like, were there other teachers, etc. Holdo didn't tell Poe the plan later on though, either...I know loose lips sink ships and all, but he really couldn't have screwed up that plan IMO. Her using lightspeed to go right into Snoke's ship was another awesome scene - everything about that scene from her character making the ultimate sacrifice to the pure silence.

I also think they missed out on having an Anakin force ghost somewhere in there. That'd have been cool as well.

[Oscirus]

very well put.

i had written a longish commentary on what i liked - a lot- and what i didn't -a few things- with spoiler tags and all, but it got erased on posting and now i don't have time to re-compose everything again.

i will just re-write this:
for all the people who reference the low Rotten Tomatoes score, that is due to all the butt-hurt pseudo-fans who gave the movie 0.5-1 star.
I can see giving it 2.5-3 stars if you didn't like it, however anything lower than 2 is given not with the quality/experience/entertaining value of the movie in mind, but with the sole purpose to lower the score. pure hater move. pathetic.

Or maybe people didn't like it because it didn't meet expectations. Their opinion is no more wrong or pathetic than yours is and it's absolutely obnoxious for anybody to get on someone else for not liking it just like it would be obnoxious for anybody getting on somebody for liking it.

This is the ghostbusters all over again where people who don't like the movie apparently have an ulterior motive.

I don't think he's saying that (though I don't want to speak for anyone else). I think objectively, saying this is the worst SW movie or that the prequels were better is pretty silly (many of these 1 star reviews say these things). Again, everyone is entitled to their opinion but I find it pretty crazy that someone could find that the prequels for example are better movies than TLJ. It's almost like watching an amateur filmmaker vs. a professional one. Again, just my opinion.

The film is fairly competently made and if it wasn't a star wars film, it may have been viewed better, but it's not so I grade it as so.
I'd put it between return of the sith and attack of the clones, because despite having **** dialogue AOTC at least knew it's characters and didn't **** all over the mythos to advance the plot.

Between wasted subplots, the director apparently not knowing the characters, a pushed political agenda and one of the dumbest scenes in a movie that I've seen this decade ( it was so bad I don't even have to talk about it because everybody knows what scene I'm referencing), this was not a good star wars movie.

LMAO nvmd it's being discussed now in spoilers

[poeman]

I am not completely upset...There were some good things like Knickstape mentioned...

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-I liked Holdo and her lightspeed move, although I really wished that was Poe instead and sacrifices himself there...Would have been a awesome ending for him as a character
-Porgs were cool
-Luke scenes with exception of him milking a space cow and drinking that green yoohoo was cool...Projecting himself was nice
-Snoke's scenes until his death
-Finn was good, and the casino planet was great...I like those kids in the end
-Rey was decent, Adam Driver is a good actor, Carrie had great scene with Luke

[Oscirus]

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This is fun seeing all the spoiler tags. My response to that is, we've seen untrained people use the force before. Luke in A New Hope on the Falcon when he deflects the blaster bolt, and when he blows up the Death Star. I would say Leia had more force training simply by being around Luke for decades post Return of the Jedi than Luke had from Obi Wan in A New Hope. And we had Rey use a mind trick on the Daniel Craig stormtrooper and at the end against Kylo Ren in the forest. And Leia has used the force before, just mentally, but I don't see a difference between the mental and the physical. She communicates with Luke at the end of Empire, and "feels" that he's still alive at the end of Jedi. I just don't see the uproar with that scene. I thought it was actually long overdue and awesome. I just think a lot of the things people have an issue with were so out of left field that it left people not liking things that weren't bad at all. Just my opinion. Try and see it a 2nd time.

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I knew you were gonna bring up the untrained users thing and I honestly don't have an answer for it. Still...her being indestructible and surviving in space seemed off. I think her feeling something is way different from actually using the force. Not sure how to explain it, though. She never had training (I know, Rey didn't either)...and now she's doing something we've literally never seen in any iteration of SW anywhere? That's bizarre.

On a positive note, Porgs are awesome, the brief clip we saw of Luke's temple was cool / more on Ben and why he turned was cool (but we needed more temple...wayyyy more, I think), I thought Canto Bight was cool, loved the boy using the force at the end and thought that was a cool tease for the future, I think Rose was a good character, I thought Holdo was a good character (but they did a bad job with her - she couldn't tell Poe her plan...? really?), and I LOVE how powerful they made Luke. Luke being able to project himself across the galaxy made the entire movie for me.

Gonna be busy the next couple of months, but if I have time I might. If not, I'll definitely rewatch it like I do all other SW movies/shows.

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Last thing before I head home from work. Surviving in space for a few seconds isn't that far fetched. Plus, it's a series about space wizards and aliens and laser swords, so you gotta suspend disbelief a bit. She pulled herself to the ship in the same way she'd pull an object to herself. I don't see it as THAT different. I mean we saw Palpatine use lightening at the end of Jedi and that was something we had never seen. Even the thing with Luke that you loved (which I also did), that's DEFINITELY something we'd never seen and easily the most bad ass thing we've seen force wise in this entire series. We also saw Kylo Ren mind f*ck Poe and put Rey to sleep with the wave of his hand.

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You don't see issues with someone untrained in the force all of a sudden being a master of it? At least Rey can be said to have reverse engineered alot of her powers from Kylo's mind , where the hell did Leia learn to Mary Poppins herself through space?

[Oscirus]

Only criticism that I saw that was overblown was pertaining to Phasma being underused. What were people expecting? She was never really established as an important character.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I am not completely upset...There were some good things like Knickstape mentioned...

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-I liked Holdo and her lightspeed move, although I really wished that was Poe instead and sacrifices himself there...Would have been a awesome ending for him as a character
-Porgs were cool
-Luke scenes with exception of him milking a space cow and drinking that green yoohoo was cool...Projecting himself was nice
-Snoke's scenes until his death
-Finn was good, and the casino planet was great...I like those kids in the end
-Rey was decent, Adam Driver is a good actor, Carrie had great scene with Luke

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Can't forget (puppet, I think??!!!) YODA! I thought the nun-like things on Ahch-To were kinda funny as well. Luke's red kyber crystal necklace...Vader's?

I also thought Crait's red salt was awesome.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Only criticism that I saw that was overblown was pertaining to Phasma being underused. What were people expecting? She was never really established as an important character.

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I forgot where I read it, but I did read somewhere that it is possible she survived. Something to look out for going forward.

[poeman]

Only criticism that I saw that was overblown was pertaining to Phasma being underused. What were people expecting? She was never really established as an important character.

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I forgot where I read it, but I did read somewhere that it is possible she survived. Something to look out for going forward.

Phasma is the Melo of the First Order. Great player, just falls short of doing anything meaningful in taking their team over the hump.

[Sark]

http://comicbook.com/starwars/2017/12/18/star-wars-the-last-jedi-canon-petition-/


Here is the link if you wanna sign it. I did.

https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-have-disney-strike-star-wars-episode-viii-from-the-official-canon

[prophet_of_rage]

That's ridiculous. This movie has its flaws. Yes, the C plot adds nothing except to the run time. But the A and B plots are terrific in resetting Star Wars and making it a viable universe going forward. This movie is a true middle movie. tFA was a more streamlined and entertaining story but this was a better film.

The cinematography was spectacular. Leia's world weary almost done persona was terrific. Luke's lines seemed like they were spoken to the audience. The movie neatly and simplistically took every fan theory and said nope, stop trying to make things special and unique to one family tree. Everything isn't interconnected like a soap opera.

Kylo becomes the greatest and most complex villain in Star Wars history. This is the most interesting Luke has ever been and his critique of the Jedi is spot on. You're saying goodbye to the old guard and hello to the possibility of new worlds. Star Wars can be wanything now. And anyone now. This movie accomplished that.

And the 3 times Luke scene was beautiful.


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