Luka Doncic part II

[pacersGM]

His rebounding instincts are top-notch, most likely substantially better than LeBron's. Many players in the past proved that rebounding isn't all about athleticism. I also think he plays a lot harder than LeBron. Just watch LeBron, it's like he takes half of the possessions off (mostly during the regular season, but sometimes even the playoffs), especially defensively. He's just so damn sick that he's dominating regardless.

How is LeBron being capable of averaging a lot more assists if he wanted to even questionable?

I do agree with you that Doncic getting the keys to a team is a bit of a pipe-dream. His rebounding numbers aren't going to suffer much if he doesn't, though, just his assist number and obviously scoring numbers.

P.s.: Look over the past couple pages, you're nitpicking every posters' post just to try discrediting the value of their opinions. What does that say about you? And then you're again going to wonder why everyone's blaming you for these discussions going down the drain ... Seriously, how old are you? Serious question.

i dont understand how everything i say is elevated by you and your fellow thinkers to a personal level. how come, i dont understand? but thats your problem.

i quote some of your stuff and try to disscus it since you write some stuff that doesnt make no sense at all to a objective reader, but you think it holds water.

this: lebron takes half possesions off, and he could average alot more?? i woud return the question, how old are you? you dont think lebron took every rebound he could and make every pass he could in the 2017 finals and it came out close to "ONLY" 10 / 10 each game? i mean i would assume he would al least then WANT to get his max, during the nba finals?

and the above line of yours leaves me clueless because you really seem to think lebron could average about 15/15 if he WANTED, and that then justifies your thinking that if doncic gives his all every night, he could get the now lebrons CASUAL 9/9?

come on, please be real, you cant go about stuff like that for real

[Rn5ho]

Just waiting now for a game where Luka will go off again and dunk 3 times in the traffic and we'll have peace again for a few weeks.. DO IT LUKA, PLEASE!

[SportsGuy8]

LeBron's rebounding is actually substantially increased in the playoffs. Yes, almost 1 rebound more per36 is a substantial increase. That's a nice indication that he actually does try more. A much bigger indication is his actual defense, but you need to see that with your own eyes. His assists make a substantial drop, but assists aren't about effort, a whole lot of other things play a part. Some LeBron haters could write a nice post about that.

I seriously doubt Doncic could get to 9 rebounds. It might not look much, but that 1 rebound more is a whole lot. Maybe with stat-padding and/or if his coach really wanted him to start pushing the ball immediately (thus instructing others to box-out more).

i dont understand how everything i say is elevated by you and your fellow thinkers to a personal level. how come, i dont understand? but thats your problem.

Please read one of your many similar posts:

Here is a question, I hope you don't think it's unfair. All these Euroleague players that Doncic is supposedly not able to beat 1 on 1... what do you think an actual score would have been if they played a first to 11 game? Do you think that Doncic would actually be losing more often than not?

what the .... did i just read? tell me, are you serious with this?
and for guys to have the nerves to come at be after posting a draftexpress made video showing his inability to create in iso? really ?

thats your thought process on this, really? nice

[pacersGM]

LeBron's rebounding is actually substantially increased in the playoffs. Yes, almost 1 rebound more per36 is a substantial increase. That's a nice indication that he actually does try more. A much bigger indication is his actual defense, but you need to see that with your own eyes. His assists make a substantial drop, but assists aren't about effort, a whole lot of other things play a part. Some LeBron haters could write a nice post about that.

I seriously doubt Doncic could get to 9 rebounds. It might not look much, but that 1 rebound more is a whole lot. Maybe with stat-padding and/or if his coach really wanted him to start pushing the ball immediately (thus instructing others to box-out more).

i dont understand how everything i say is elevated by you and your fellow thinkers to a personal level. how come, i dont understand? but thats your problem.

Please read one of your many similar posts:

Here is a question, I hope you don't think it's unfair. All these Euroleague players that Doncic is supposedly not able to beat 1 on 1... what do you think an actual score would have been if they played a first to 11 game? Do you think that Doncic would actually be losing more often than not?

what the .... did i just read? tell me, are you serious with this?
and for guys to have the nerves to come at be after posting a draftexpress made video showing his inability to create in iso? really ?

thats your thought process on this, really? nice

despite the "meme" (confirms your age), the above still doesnt make sense to a innocent bystander, so the only claps you will get is from your overexcited fellow thinkers who cant project doncic into the nba eco system, and justify their ilusions by making up stories or even going into how lebron and doncic function and think during an iso play or in the process of getting (or not getting) a rebound.
i mean really? this is getting kinda awesome, thats why you have to forgive me, as i try to find out more and more each time you post something so analytical thats where my questions come from, out of amazement

[Rn5ho]

We discuss, you fact.

We realize that Doncic is not ideal and has flaws, but we try to look for positives and alternatives and project (based on what we see on weekly basis and based on his age) that he can/will hopefully improve, sure somewhat biased and with some hopes/expectations that will not turn out true, but they are realistic if circumstances are right. But we're not deluded that he's the new MJ/Lebron coming, he's Luka Doncic coming and we're excited to see what he's gonna brink to the League.

All you do is fact around how he's a finished product at age of 18, his lack of elite athleticism is gonna limit him to 10/4/4 or something and that he has no chance of being anything more than a decent role player and that's that and any time someone says something different or projects/suggests something that is on the verge of unbelievable (Luka keeps proving that "impossible is nothing" in his case) you have to come out and laugh about those claims and fact again how we're deluded and crazy to even talk about it.


How can you even be bothered anymore?! :/

[pacersGM]

We discuss, you fact.

We realize that Doncic is not ideal and has flaws, but we try to look for positives and alternatives and project (based on what we see on weekly basis and based on his age) that he can/will hopefully improve, sure somewhat biased and with some hopes/expectations that will not turn out true, but they are realistic if circumstances are right. But we're not deluded that he's the new MJ/Lebron coming, he's Luka Doncic coming and we're excited to see what he's gonna brink to the League.

All you do is fact around how he's a finished product at age of 18, his lack of elite athleticism is gonna limit him to 10/4/4 or something and that he has no chance of being anything more than a decent role player and that's that and any time someone says something different or projects/suggests something that is on the verge of unbelievable (Luka keeps proving that "impossible is nothing" in his case) you have to come out and laugh about those claims and fact again how we're deluded and crazy to even talk about it.


How can you even be bothered anymore?! :/

the silver lining read here is:

- better prospect at 18 then lebron
- reasonable comparisions heard here - magic johnson, larry bird.
- could become elite defender
- could become near elite athlete
- could average close to 9/9 since rebounding is mental as much as athletic

if you didnt say any of those things i dont know why you bother to attack me personal, as my responses are to those who claimed the above or similar to it.

seems like you have a problem with me, not the other way around. plus you are twisting words once again.
i PREDICTED (the no no word around here) him to be a SOLID NBA STARTER OR EURO GOD. and the numbers i put out there were 7/7/17 as a nba optimum! so see how you manipulate things into your own advantage when you think it comes handy to attack me?

thats why you can leave the part of playing the innocent guy here.

[narcolepsy]

"If you run into an **** in the morning, you ran into an ****. If you run into **** all day, you're the ****."

Maybe you should think about why so many people have huge problem with you, but not with Ettorefm, who also has concerns about Doncic.

Also nice to see you pumped those predicted numbers up from last season's 100% accurate prediction.

[Rn5ho]

the silver lining read here is:

- better prospect at 18 then lebron
- reasonable comparisions heard here - magic johnson, larry bird.
- could become elite defender
- could become near elite athlete
- could average close to 9/9 since rebounding is mental as much as athletic

None of these things were claimed here. Noone said he will be near elite athlete, nor elite defender. Noone said he's a better prospect than Lebron at 18.

The Magic Johnson/Larry Bird comparison are completely valid, but if you compare him to them, it doesn't for a fact mean that he will be as good as them. It only means that there are similarities between their strong points and Luka's skill set and direction his game is currently going/progressing.

Why is 9/9 completely out of this World unrealistic? Noone said Luka will come to NBA and immediately average that. You keep assuming anything said here = he will be a rookie on level of Bird/Johnson and average 25/9/9, carrying team to championship and suddenly evolving into Super Luka with elite athleticism. NO NO NO. This is NOT what is discussed here. It's what people project Luka could become some time down the line when he assimilates to NBA and enters his prime. For fu*ks sake man.

After all, what does Lonzo have/posses that Luka doesn't that allows him to average 7/7 in his rookie season?

Please, if you expect objectivity from others, be objective yourself as well. You're locking Luka out of any possibilities of progress as if he was some 25 y/o role-player in his prime years who's been stagnating for the last 2 seasons.

AGAIN: He's not better prospect than Lebron was (he was the best ever), he's not on level with Bird/Johnson (but his strengths/game somewhat resembles theirs), he will not come to NBA as 19 y/o rookie and average 20/9/9, but that doesn't mean it's not ever possible that he could do that. He 99.9% (made up number) will not become an elite defender, but he's a smart, team defender. He's not an elite athlete and there's very little chance he'll ever be an elite athlete, but his game doesn't depend on athleticism, he does and will contribute off of other strengths he has.

What else is unclear to you? Why do you keep putting words into people's mouths and then create 2-3 pages of conflict? What do you gain from ruining discussions? I'm really trying to understand your point as I genuinely enjoy reading this topic and your banter keeps ruining it as you just can't let things go - you drive on "conversations" that you have your mind locked on already and as such they are pointless, you'll not accept he can ever improve (here I don't understand other posters who keep feeding you with responses as they are useless, you won't change your mind).

Please.

[pacersGM]

"If you run into an **** in the morning, you ran into an ****. If you run into **** all day, you're the ****."

Maybe you should think about why so many people have huge problem with you, but not with Ettorefm, who also has concerns about Doncic.

Also nice to see you pumped those predicted numbers up from last season's 100% accurate prediction.

you decided to go for the ful and1 dosis of your fellow think alikes ha? even if totaly attacking me personaly and going of topic.

and i must add, this rant of you and fellow objective posters comes after i posted a PRO scouts video of doncics weaknesses.
im shure that Ettore... is very glad and thankfull that your "pack" leaves him alone without consequences

like i said, my time will come in the next years, but im shure you will find another lifeline as of why he didnt make it to superstardom (wrong coach maybe, bad locker room, small market, ... who knows, you will find something to justify it )

[pacersGM]

None of these things were claimed here. Noone said he will be near elite athlete, nor elite defender. Noone said he's a better prospect than Lebron at 18.

dude seriousley. i dont have the time to search for it but those things were said in this topic. i responded to those claims to those who said that. i dont know what you are going of on. especialy since it was written!?:

DONCIC IS A BETTER PROSPECT AT 18 THEN LEBRON
I THINK DONCIC COULD BECOME AN ELITE DEFENDER (because he is smart)
- I THINK IF HE PUTS HIS MIND TO IT, HE COULD BECOME ELITE ATHLETE IN THE NBA
- HES NEXT STEPS IS TO GET RIPPED (WTF has that to do with basketball)

The above things were stated claimed here. if they were trolled by an excited uberfan, thats not my problem.
if you are objective in your observings, then i dont know why you attack me, since you never claimed such stuff??

let it go man, i dont attack you, but since you are the greater man, you tend to do that or feel entitled to ??

[Rn5ho]

This is exactly what I mean.. wtf is wrong with your ego that you can't accept that people have different opinions and views on things? What does it do to you that makes you feel you have to convince everyone here that only you're right and you're the only one who knows and can predict the future? You keep focusing on only the smallest details that are not according to your beliefs and create huge arguments out of them.

[pacersGM]

This is exactly what I mean.. wtf is wrong with your ego that you can't accept that people have different opinions and views on things? What does it do to you that makes you feel you have to convince everyone here that only you're right and you're the only one who knows and can predict the future? You keep focusing on only the smallest details that are not according to your beliefs and create huge arguments out of them.

your doing the exact same thing in case you didnt notice it? so like you said: WTF is wrong with you?

[J_T]

He is the only guy I have on ignore list, but still, the ignorance and rudeness of his posting gets through the ignore list to my eyes and keeps insulting my intelligence. Is there a way to create a Doncic thread where he wouldn't have been allowed to post? No? Well, I tried.

I understand everyone's frustration with posters like him, but please understand that if everyone puts him on ignore list, you will never see anything he posts and there will be no fights, no frustration. The question you need to answer for yourself is, will he ever change the way he posts, will he ever post anything remotely useful or interesting? So far he is the only one for whom my answer is no. If you think that somebody is beyond ability to have a reasonable discussion, don't give him credibility and attention he so desires. It's that easy. What he probably wants most is to have the thread locked and we sure are cooperating. I mean let's admit it, the recent posts are mostly of personal nature. Use the ignore feature and let's get this thread back on track.

[narcolepsy]

Please stop playing the victim card. Poor innocent objective bystander getting viciously cyberbullied by Doncic fanboys, lol give me a break. You manage to derail every thread. "Why are you attacking me personally", meanwhile you even go out of your way to check what posts I liked? Not that I feel like I have to defend myself, but unfortunately I cant hangout here 24/7 and respond to every post, so I just and 1 posts that represent my opinion instead of repeating basically the same thing.

Half a year ago you claimed "Doncic cant average more than 15-5-5 in NBA", sparked a huge fight about it which got the thread locked, called everyone who disagreed with you an unobjective fanboy. And now its 17/7/7, you agree with same people you were attacking 6 months ago. I remember you saying something along the lines of "those are Lebron rebounds and assists, he wont even be close".

I agree with J_T (I and 1'd his post), so lets talk about tonights game vs Valencia. Real is playing at home and Valencia is on 8 game losing streak in Euroleague, currently tied at last place. They had some close games though. Jaycee Carroll also seems to be playing better and better, so Im feeling quite optimistic about this one.

[pacersGM]

Please stop playing the victim card. Poor innocent objective bystander getting viciously cyberbullied by Doncic fanboys, lol give me a break. You manage to derail every thread. "Why are you attacking me personally", meanwhile you even go out of your way to check what posts I liked? Not that I feel like I have to defend myself, but unfortunately I cant hangout here 24/7 and respond to every post, so I just and 1 posts that represent my opinion instead of repeating basically the same thing.

Half a year ago you claimed "Doncic cant average more than 15-5-5 in NBA", sparked a huge fight about it which got the thread locked, called everyone who disagreed with you an unobjective fanboy. And now its 17/7/7, you agree with same people you were attacking 6 months ago. I remember you saying something along the lines of "those are Lebron rebounds and assists, he wont even be close".

I agree with J_T (I and 1'd his post), so lets talk about tonights game vs Valencia. Real is playing at home and Valencia is on 8 game losing streak in Euroleague, currently tied at last place. They had some close games though. Jaycee Carroll also seems to be playing better and better, so Im feeling quite optimistic about this one.

im not playing a victim card since its not me who derailed this post for 2 pages to go on a personal insult rant.

true, i miswrote the 7/7. i ment 15/5/5 as his nba average optimum. i apologize for that. only after the member PASHO1 tried to twist my words and stats abit. i mean he tried, not faulting him. i still stand by that statline of 5/5/15, and no detailed analysis of games against acb opponents can say i was not right or close no matter how hard you try to discredit me.

fact is, 80% of uber fans react alergic to even a slightest hint of his weakness. to a weakness every your copy paste response is CANT HE LEARN IT; HES ONLY 18.

so keep the conversation on topic or im affraid the mods will have to tell you your not as objective, passive as you might think.

[AJ3]

Real Madrid definitely figured out how to play since all the injuries happened, i noticed Lasso always pairs Doncic-Reye and Campazzo-Tavares and it seems to be working. Also Campazzo has been having a lot more impact in recent games, scoring wise at least, but still a lot of their game depends on Luka and also how well they shoot 3's.

I predict they Will win todays game, not sure how hard Luka Will go since they are playing Bamberg in euroleague in 2 days. This week is really packed, i hope everything Works out for them.

[pacersGM]

Real Madrid definitely figured out how to play since all the injuries happened, i noticed Lasso always pairs Doncic-Reye and Campazzo-Tavares and it seems to be working. Also Campazzo has been having a lot more impact in recent games, scoring wise at least, but still a lot of their game depends on Luka and also how well they shoot 3's.

I predict they Will win todays game, not sure how hard Luka Will go since they are playing Bamberg in euroleague in 2 days. This week is really packed, i hope everything Works out for them.

todays game is a euroleague game also

[FlorentinoPerez]

Real Madrid definitely figured out how to play since all the injuries happened, i noticed Lasso always pairs Doncic-Reye and Campazzo-Tavares and it seems to be working. Also Campazzo has been having a lot more impact in recent games, scoring wise at least, but still a lot of their game depends on Luka and also how well they shoot 3's.

I predict they Will win todays game, not sure how hard Luka Will go since they are playing Bamberg in euroleague in 2 days. This week is really packed, i hope everything Works out for them.

todays game is a euroleague game also

yeah, and may not look very attractive, but each team crowds kinda "hate" each other a bit
Valencia Basket will go very hard on luka

[AJ3]

Real Madrid definitely figured out how to play since all the injuries happened, i noticed Lasso always pairs Doncic-Reye and Campazzo-Tavares and it seems to be working. Also Campazzo has been having a lot more impact in recent games, scoring wise at least, but still a lot of their game depends on Luka and also how well they shoot 3's.

I predict they Will win todays game, not sure how hard Luka Will go since they are playing Bamberg in euroleague in 2 days. This week is really packed, i hope everything Works out for them.

todays game is a euroleague game also

Yea i noticed, it's going to be even more important to spread the minutes around. The bench Will really need to perform.

[SportsGuy8]

Real Madrid definitely figured out how to play since all the injuries happened, i noticed Lasso always pairs Doncic-Reye and Campazzo-Tavares and it seems to be working. Also Campazzo has been having a lot more impact in recent games, scoring wise at least, but still a lot of their game depends on Luka and also how well they shoot 3's.

I predict they Will win todays game, not sure how hard Luka Will go since they are playing Bamberg in euroleague in 2 days. This week is really packed, i hope everything Works out for them.

Yes, Reyes seems to be the truly really competent P'n'R player left on the roster. He's old, though, sadly.

I really think that Real is missing Ayon the most, even more than Llull. Llull is obviously a better player than Ayon, but this season Doncic does many things that Llull usually brings to the table. A competent big is much more needed.