Political Roundtable Part XVI

[Pointgod]

The republicans are in such a rush to pass the new reprehensible tax code that they admit that they must have a new tax code to correct this abomination.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/republican-tax-bill-technical-corrections_us_5a380422e4b01d429ccb49c8

The provision that’s probably gone through the most mutations, and the one experts say is ripest for abuse, is a new deduction for certain types of business income.

The final bill also contains a new provision allowing pass-through companies to count the value of physical property toward their deduction ― an apparent gift to the real estate industry.

Apparently this provision is what turned that spineless hypocrite Bob Corker, a so-called "fiscal conservative," from a nay vote to a last-minute yay vote. He would stand to get $1.1MM per year in tax savings with this provision, although this bill would add $1.8T to the deficit. Talk about corrupt.

But what's even more disgusting to me is that corporate establishment scumbags Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are planning to vote for Trump's tax bill minus the DACA provision. The people who've been disingenuously calling themselves "The Resistance" are going to approve this horrible tax bill because they don't want to come off as obstructionists. Completely reprehensible two-party shenanigans at work here to steal from hard-working Americans to go to the wealthy class. That's why corporate dems are NOT fighting it...they get a piece of the tax giveaway too.

For what it's worth you're misinformed on this. No Democrats are voting for the tax bill, you're talking about the government shutdown. While I agree with you that passing government funding without any type of resolution on DACA or funding CHIP shows a lack of resolution labeling everyone that you disagree with as corporate Democrats is what helped get you in this mess in the first place. Remember if you're a far left progressive Republicans will always be the worst option. They have no morals, are corrupt and show total disregard for any type of established process or non partisanship. False equivalences don't help and the Dems tearing each other down from within will only contribute to four more years of Trump.

[Pointgod]

Trump who asked a foreign power to help find Clinton's missing emails.

I made the mistake of checking in on this thread.

Are you serious? Do you really think Trump's one-liner joke in a stump speech (a really funny joke, by the way) was actually a sincere appeal to Russia to hack Clinton's email?

Considering the numerous contacts with the Trump campaign and Russia. Add the fact that the campaign was in contact with Wikileaks about stolen emails yeah Trump wasn't joking. And you have a low brow sense of humor if that's what passes as a joke.

[I_Like_Dirt]

I made the mistake of checking in on this thread.

Are you serious? Do you really think Trump's one-liner joke in a stump speech (a really funny joke, by the way) was actually a sincere appeal to Russia to hack Clinton's email?

Regardless of what that tweet is or isn't, I'm actually curious what you feel the purpose of that tweet actually was. Publicly declaring someone should commit a crime only to have that someone commit a crime may or may not be an unfortunate coincidence, but maybe the idea would be that if it really was a coincidence, not to make those kinds of proclamations in the first place rather than doubling down on them. At best it's like joking about committing terrorist acts in airports or yelling fire in a crowded theater. It clearly isn't funny, but hey, appearances. And given all the other links between Trump and Russia, legitimate or not, it makes it much, much worse than if it had actually been an isolated tweet.

[I_Like_Dirt]

Remember if you're a far left progressive Republicans will always be the worst option. They have no morals, are corrupt and show total disregard for any type of established process or non partisanship. False equivalences don't help and the Dems tearing each other down from within will only contribute to four more years of Trump.

I definitely don't support false equivalencies whatsoever, but the whole "support us because no matter what they're worse" is a horrible, horrible logic to be trying to sell to would-be supporters, and it's a big part of why Hillary didn't do as well as Obama did.

[TGW]

The republicans are in such a rush to pass the new reprehensible tax code that they admit that they must have a new tax code to correct this abomination.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/republican-tax-bill-technical-corrections_us_5a380422e4b01d429ccb49c8

Apparently this provision is what turned that spineless hypocrite Bob Corker, a so-called "fiscal conservative," from a nay vote to a last-minute yay vote. He would stand to get $1.1MM per year in tax savings with this provision, although this bill would add $1.8T to the deficit. Talk about corrupt.

But what's even more disgusting to me is that corporate establishment scumbags Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are planning to vote for Trump's tax bill minus the DACA provision. The people who've been disingenuously calling themselves "The Resistance" are going to approve this horrible tax bill because they don't want to come off as obstructionists. Completely reprehensible two-party shenanigans at work here to steal from hard-working Americans to go to the wealthy class. That's why corporate dems are NOT fighting it...they get a piece of the tax giveaway too.

For what it's worth you're misinformed on this. No Democrats are voting for the tax bill, you're talking about the government shutdown. While I agree with you that passing government funding without any type of resolution on DACA or funding CHIP shows a lack of resolution labeling everyone that you disagree with as corporate Democrats is what helped get you in this mess in the first place. Remember if you're a far left progressive Republicans will always be the worst option. They have no morals, are corrupt and show total disregard for any type of established process or non partisanship. False equivalences don't help and the Dems tearing each other down from within will only contribute to four more years of Trump.

You're right...they aren't voting for the tax bill...I was misinformed. But I'm not going to be shamed into supporting the Democrats because Republicans are "bad." Hogwash. I have every right to call out the CORPORATE DEMOCRATS if they aren't protecting their constituents.

[Zonkerbl]

Trump who asked a foreign power to help find Clinton's missing emails.

I made the mistake of checking in on this thread.

Are you serious? Do you really think Trump's one-liner joke in a stump speech (a really funny joke, by the way) was actually a sincere appeal to Russia to hack Clinton's email?

Based on all the evidence we have in front of us? YES

[nate33]

Trump who asked a foreign power to help find Clinton's missing emails.

I made the mistake of checking in on this thread.

Are you serious? Do you really think Trump's one-liner joke in a stump speech (a really funny joke, by the way) was actually a sincere appeal to Russia to hack Clinton's email?

Considering the numerous contacts with the Trump campaign and Russia. Add the fact that the campaign was in contact with Wikileaks about stolen emails yeah Trump wasn't joking. And you have a low brow sense of humor if that's what passes as a joke.

Use your brain.

If Trump really was in contact with Russia, and they really did lay out some elaborate scheme through Wikileaks to sabotage Hillary's chances for victory, then why would Trump openly talk about it?

[gtn130]

Let's agree to disagree...

We can if you'd like, but it's tough for me to see how the GOP didn't enable Trump when they more or less welcomed his birther claims with open arms.

There was a period of time where 1/3 of Democrats believed that George Bush helped plan or at least knew all about the attack on the World Trade Center before September 11.

Did Ds make Hillary?

I think your anger is misdirected. It should be at the DNC, the Hillary nomination and the really bad campaign she waged.

DC, come on, dude.

I should be mad that Hillary was a mediocre candidate and couldn't prevent deplorables from taking over the country? I suppose I am mad about that, but it's pretty silly to think Hillary and the DNC are THE problem here.

Imagine an alternate universe wherein deplorable idiots have zero political capital because they're, you know, deplorable idiots. Instead these insufferable bigoted morons spend their days watching Fox News and listening to Rush Limbaugh where racism is normalized and they're told the liberals are worse than pedophiles and you should vote Roy Moore because he loves Jesus.

Maybe the GOP shouldn't welcome this garbage into their party and should act with a modicum of integrity instead of being laser-focused on grabbing and consolidating power?

[gtn130]

I made the mistake of checking in on this thread.

Are you serious? Do you really think Trump's one-liner joke in a stump speech (a really funny joke, by the way) was actually a sincere appeal to Russia to hack Clinton's email?

Considering the numerous contacts with the Trump campaign and Russia. Add the fact that the campaign was in contact with Wikileaks about stolen emails yeah Trump wasn't joking. And you have a low brow sense of humor if that's what passes as a joke.

Use your brain.

If Trump really was in contact with Russia, and they really did lay out some elaborate scheme through Wikileaks to sabotage Hillary's chances for victory, then why would Trump openly talk about it?

Because Trump is a moron.

[gtn130]

Lol at thinking Trump is rational and is always making logical game theory optimal decisions.

[nate33]

I made the mistake of checking in on this thread.

Are you serious? Do you really think Trump's one-liner joke in a stump speech (a really funny joke, by the way) was actually a sincere appeal to Russia to hack Clinton's email?

Regardless of what that tweet is or isn't, I'm actually curious what you feel the purpose of that tweet actually was. Publicly declaring someone should commit a crime only to have that someone commit a crime may or may not be an unfortunate coincidence, but maybe the idea would be that if it really was a coincidence, not to make those kinds of proclamations in the first place rather than doubling down on them. At best it's like joking about committing terrorist acts in airports or yelling fire in a crowded theater. It clearly isn't funny, but hey, appearances. And given all the other links between Trump and Russia, legitimate or not, it makes it much, much worse than if it had actually been an isolated tweet.

It was a joke that highlighted the absurdity of Clinton not being reprimanded for destroying 30,000 emails, as well as the absurdity of the Russia hacked the election meme.

[nate33]

Considering the numerous contacts with the Trump campaign and Russia. Add the fact that the campaign was in contact with Wikileaks about stolen emails yeah Trump wasn't joking. And you have a low brow sense of humor if that's what passes as a joke.

Use your brain.

If Trump really was in contact with Russia, and they really did lay out some elaborate scheme through Wikileaks to sabotage Hillary's chances for victory, then why would Trump openly talk about it?

Because Trump is a moron.

You go on believing that.

[dckingsfan]

I should be mad that Hillary was a mediocre candidate and couldn't prevent deplorables from taking over the country? I suppose I am mad about that, but it's pretty silly to think Hillary and the DNC are THE problem here.

Yes, you should be absolutely pissed off. In basketball terms - you had EG running the DNC, your team didn't play defense well, didn't play offense well and did horribly in the draft. You should be throwing you computer when you see the stupid stuff you did. You can't worry about what the other team did - you worry about what you did. Period, end of story.

The reason we have a Trump is because of a vacuum. And we are all responsible for that vacuum.

[Pointgod]

Remember if you're a far left progressive Republicans will always be the worst option. They have no morals, are corrupt and show total disregard for any type of established process or non partisanship. False equivalences don't help and the Dems tearing each other down from within will only contribute to four more years of Trump.

I definitely don't support false equivalencies whatsoever, but the whole "support us because no matter what they're worse" is a horrible, horrible logic to be trying to sell to would-be supporters, and it's a big part of why Hillary didn't do as well as Obama did.

Here's the thing though I guarantee you Hillary addressed most of the left's concerns in her policies laid out on her website. Blame her for not talking more about her policies and blame the media for sucking up airtime talking about Trump instead of policies. Sometimes you have to do research first hand. And even if you only agree with 80% of a Democrats position that's most likely a lot more than the Republican counterpart.

You also have to look at the bigger picture. Liberals in America are still right of some Conservatives in other countries so not every state is going to support a far left progressive. And I'm not convinced that a Progressive Democratic minority would be more effectice than current congress. Getting more Democrats in Congress is the only way to push Liberal policies forward. Meanwhile Trump is stacking the courts with barely qualified, but young Conservative judges and he could appoint another Sumpreme Court seat or two. When that happens you can turn back the clock on progressive causes. So all this hand wringing about Clinton or <insert imperfect Democrat> is misplaced when there's even a 1% chance of giving Republicans ultimate power.

[Ruzious]

Use your brain.

If Trump really was in contact with Russia, and they really did lay out some elaborate scheme through Wikileaks to sabotage Hillary's chances for victory, then why would Trump openly talk about it?

Because Trump is a moron.

You go on believing that.

Put it this way, very often what he does makes no sense to everyone that I know. What he does and says often defies logic.

[gtn130]

I should be mad that Hillary was a mediocre candidate and couldn't prevent deplorables from taking over the country? I suppose I am mad about that, but it's pretty silly to think Hillary and the DNC are THE problem here.

Yes, you should be absolutely pissed off. In basketball terms - you had EG running the DNC, your team didn't play defense well, didn't play offense well and did horribly in the draft. You should be throwing you computer when you see the stupid stuff you did. You can't worry about what the other team did - you worry about what you did. Period, end of story.

The reason we have a Trump is because of a vacuum. And we are all responsible for that vacuum.

Can't worry about the other team eroding every norm we have and maximizing racial divide in an effort to further empower and enrich the Trumpian 1%ers? Can't be mad that the GOP is actively trying to tear down our democracy? Ok, I'll ignore that. I'll focus instead on the DNC being somewhat incompetent!

And how are we all responsible here?

-I donated and voted for Bernie
-I then donated, phone banked and voted for Hillary
-I told literally every person I know that Trump is awful and will ruin our country

What exactly should I have done to prevent Trump from becoming president?

Centrism is dumb, dude. You think you're outsmarting everyone by thinking that both sides are equally bad, but you're plainly and obviously wrong. One side is way, way, way worse than the other.

[Pointgod]

I made the mistake of checking in on this thread.

Are you serious? Do you really think Trump's one-liner joke in a stump speech (a really funny joke, by the way) was actually a sincere appeal to Russia to hack Clinton's email?

Considering the numerous contacts with the Trump campaign and Russia. Add the fact that the campaign was in contact with Wikileaks about stolen emails yeah Trump wasn't joking. And you have a low brow sense of humor if that's what passes as a joke.

Use your brain.

If Trump really was in contact with Russia, and they really did lay out some elaborate scheme through Wikileaks to sabotage Hillary's chances for victory, then why would Trump openly talk about it?

The same reason Trump admitted to the world that he fired Comey because of Mike Flynn and Russia. The same reason he told the Russians he fired Comey because of the investigation and the same reason he believed Russia wouldn't leak the conversation. The man is an unqualified idiot way in over his head.

[gtn130]

Use your brain.

If Trump really was in contact with Russia, and they really did lay out some elaborate scheme through Wikileaks to sabotage Hillary's chances for victory, then why would Trump openly talk about it?

Because Trump is a moron.

You go on believing that.

Trump drinks 12 diet cokes a day and eats multiple big macs and fish fillets as a single meal on the regular.

Probably another game theory optimal decision on his part!

[gtn130]

Considering the numerous contacts with the Trump campaign and Russia. Add the fact that the campaign was in contact with Wikileaks about stolen emails yeah Trump wasn't joking. And you have a low brow sense of humor if that's what passes as a joke.

Use your brain.

If Trump really was in contact with Russia, and they really did lay out some elaborate scheme through Wikileaks to sabotage Hillary's chances for victory, then why would Trump openly talk about it?

The same reason Trump admitted to the world that he fired Comey because of Mike Flynn and Russia. The same reason he told the Russians he fired Comey because of the investigation and the same reason he believed Russia wouldn't leak the conversation. The man is an unqualified idiot way in over his head.

Nah man these were all elite genius level decisions. We're all playing checkers here.

[Pointgod]

We can if you'd like, but it's tough for me to see how the GOP didn't enable Trump when they more or less welcomed his birther claims with open arms.

There was a period of time where 1/3 of Democrats believed that George Bush helped plan or at least knew all about the attack on the World Trade Center before September 11.

Did Ds make Hillary?

I think your anger is misdirected. It should be at the DNC, the Hillary nomination and the really bad campaign she waged.

DC, come on, dude.

I should be mad that Hillary was a mediocre candidate and couldn't prevent deplorables from taking over the country? I suppose I am mad about that, but it's pretty silly to think Hillary and the DNC are THE problem here.

Imagine an alternate universe wherein deplorable idiots have zero political capital because they're, you know, deplorable idiots. Instead these insufferable bigoted morons spend their days watching Fox News and listening to Rush Limbaugh where racism is normalized and they're told the liberals are worse than pedophiles and you should vote Roy Moore because he loves Jesus.

Maybe the GOP shouldn't welcome this garbage into their party and should act with a modicum of integrity instead of being laser-focused on grabbing and consolidating power?

The way that the Republican establishment acted during the Alabama race and that waaay too many Republicans voted for Roy Moore is proof that there is moral decay in the party.