Player of the Day: Andre Roberson

[ThunderBolt]

Paul George missed a game winner against Philadelphia and so did Andre. The difference is Andre made the eventual game winner.

[spearsy23]

Paul George missed a game winner against Philadelphia and so did Andre. The difference is Andre made the eventual game winner.

aLso that dre was fouled on his miss, as acknowledged by the NBA.

[sleestak33]

In the last 2 games Roberson has missed 4 layups including one that would have won a game in OT (he also airballed a wide open 3 pointer by a foot) yet you still talk about his defense. Any other player in the NBA misses that wide open layup to win the game they get benched...period. That's just absolutely embarrassing to have a player in the starting lineup of an NBA team capable of such a thing.

Andre Roberson is shooting 59.6 % on layups this season. Among players with at least 50 layup attempts this season, that's 58/163 and 2nd best on the Thunder. This narrative you're trying to create is - once again - false.

The same defense that rookie Donovan Mitchell scorched for 31 points. You keep quoting all these stats but when I watch the games the elite and good scorers have absolutely no trouble whatsoever scoring on him repeatedly

Starters, at least 25 mpg, at least 25 games played:



So with all these guys completely going off on Roberson the rest of the team must be beyond terrible offensively every time. Curious.

Btw: If he keeps this up, our defense with him on the floor will be on the same level as the 07-08 Celtics, the 15-16 Spurs or the 12-13 Grizzlies with their best defenders on the floor.

and the advantage teams are getting from using his defender as a free safety when he's out there allowing them to play 5 against 4 is killing their offense. You keep supporting the worst offensive wing in history though...it's really working out well for this team with 3 all stars and a losing record.

So we had two All-Stars in 15/16 and our offense was the 2nd best in the league. Now we have three All-Stars and our offense ranks 19th. That somehow doesn't track given that that the only difference between those squads is the amount of All-Stars since Roberson and Adams are still starting for us.

Roberson is the worst offensive shooting guard/small forward in the history of the NBA to either start for a team or play some sort of a significant role. You, not anybody else, can name anybody worse because there's never been anybody worse. Never before in the history of the league has there been a wing player that the other team LITERALLY is not guarding the entire time that he's out there. It's one thing to be bad on offense but he is in a classification all by himself. If you think the other teams aren't gaining a tremendous advantage in using his defender to play basically free safety and stand by the lane and clog it or double team you're either delusional or you simply don't understand basketball. Roberson is a huge reason why OKC's offense is struggling this year because they're playing 4 against 5 when he's out there. To try to act as if Roberson doesn't hurt the offense is just beyond preposterous. Feel free to do some research and find somebody worse and post stats to back your argument up. I would love to see you or anybody else name somebody worse. Good luck...you'll need it.

Please, do keep embarassing yourself.

[slick_watts]

no one is saying roberson doesn't hurt the offense you dolt. they are saying his impact on defense is greater than his detriment on offense. this has been true for years.

[Bergmaniac]

Roberson is the worst offensive shooting guard/small forward in the history of the NBA to either start for a team or play some sort of a significant role. You, not anybody else, can name anybody worse because there's never been anybody worse.

You do realise that the NBA exicted in the late 1940s and early 1950s too, right? Most players had day jobs and the average player was hilariously unathetic by modern standards and couldn't shoot either.

Check out the stats of a randomly chosen player from that era - https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/blackch01.html

28.3% FG% for his career, 11 attempts per game.

[slick_watts]

so dre had monster games against the warriors and the rockets this year so far, the two teams the jokers in this thread told us he couldn't play against.

dominant performance!

[bondom34]

When Harden was on the court with Roberson Houston had a 109.4 ORtg and a -31.8 net rating. Harden was 4/11.

When Roberson was off court Houston had a 131.6 ORtg and a +42.0 net rating. Harden was 3/7.

[sleestak33]

When Harden was on the court with Roberson Houston had a 109.4 ORtg and a -31.8 net rating. Harden was 4/11.

When Roberson was off court Houston had a 131.6 ORtg and a +42.0 net rating. Harden was 3/7.

Harden averaged 32 points and 9 assists...in this game he had 29 and 14 so he clearly surpassed what he normally does offensively. As usual Roberson (and George) did nothing whatsoever to slow him down and just like we saw in the playoffs Roberson has no effect on his game (Harden averaged almost 34 against Roberson in the playoffs). That doesn't even mention the 25-30 wide open, completely unguarded shots Roberson is turning down every game because he knows he can't shoot or the advantage he gave Harden who was guarding him to conserve energy since he doesn't need to be guarded. You put a remotely competent two way player at the 2 in this game and OKC wins by 20 points going away. The Big3 and Adams all shot over 50% which is why they won this game. It shouldn't have been that close.

[sleestak33]

When Harden was on the court with Roberson Houston had a 109.4 ORtg and a -31.8 net rating. Harden was 4/11.

When Roberson was off court Houston had a 131.6 ORtg and a +42.0 net rating. Harden was 3/7.

Harden averages 32 points and 9 assists...in this game he had 29 and 14 so he clearly surpassed what he normally does offensively. As usual Roberson (and George) did nothing whatsoever to slow him down and just like we saw in the playoffs Roberson has no effect on his game (Harden averaged almost 34 against Roberson in the playoffs). That doesn't even mention the 25-30 wide open, completely unguarded shots Roberson is turning down every game because he knows he can't shoot or the advantage he gave Harden who was guarding him to conserve energy since he doesn't need to be guarded. You put a remotely competent two way player at the 2 in this game and OKC wins by 20 points going away. The Big3 and Adams all shot over 50% which is why they won this game. It shouldn't have been that close.

[Funcrusher]

When Harden was on the court with Roberson Houston had a 109.4 ORtg and a -31.8 net rating. Harden was 4/11.

When Roberson was off court Houston had a 131.6 ORtg and a +42.0 net rating. Harden was 3/7.

Harden averages 32 points and 9 assists...in this game he had 29 and 14 so he clearly surpassed what he normally does offensively. As usual Roberson (and George) did nothing whatsoever to slow him down and just like we saw in the playoffs Roberson has no effect on his game (Harden averaged almost 34 against Roberson in the playoffs). That doesn't even mention the 25-30 wide open, completely unguarded shots Roberson is turning down every game because he knows he can't shoot or the advantage he gave Harden who was guarding him to conserve energy since he doesn't need to be guarded. You put a remotely competent two way player at the 2 in this game and OKC wins by 20 points going away. The Big3 and Adams all shot over 50% which is why they won this game. It shouldn't have been that close.

So no defender has ever had any effect on any star unless they individually hold them to 5 points? And 25-30 wide open shots, WTF?

[CROklahoma]

Yea, well, even I'm not that kind of a hater.
I think he played really great defense on Harden, and basicly, all Houston did on offense was trying to get Roberson off of Harden, their whole game plan was around getting him out of Harden.
He was used as a screener in a lot of possesions, which is what we want from Robes on offense.
He should atleast get his FT's up, he cannot and must not be such a liability come playoff time, his defense will be much needed.

And Abrines's defense and effort has gotten a lot worse. Hope he gets off the slack he feel into, he is one of our best shooters, cant be that inagressive on defensive end of the floor.

Overall, great effort by our team ...

[slick_watts]

the andre roberson haters don't know what to do. dre is 8th in the nba in drpm right now. our defense turns into mush when he's out of the game. against the two best teams in the nba- the teams that he was supposed to be unplayable against- our offense had no problems with him in there.

there were three plays alone where dre got the steal and made a perfect pass to a streaking teammate for a fast break bucket. that's a potential 17 point swing right there alone (rockets could have scored 9 points on threes in those possessions, instead we scored 6).

sleestak looking foolish complaining about harden's productivity when he looked downright scared whenever dre was on him, and did virtually nothing in those instances. the rockets spent 10 seconds every possession desperately trying to screen him off. then he blocks harden on the potential tying FG attempt.

yes the free throw thing is annoying, but even hubie brown said it during the game- that dre (and adams) do a lot of moving around on the court that creates vertical spacing. we're at our best when he's used as a screener on the ball, back screener, etc. he had three hockey assists last night as a roll man in the pnr, and 5 'normal' assists overall.

it's not too late to get on board.

[RalphSampsonJr]

Im sorry but if you couldnt see his value last night then i feel bad for you. You either dont understand what youre watching or you have a terrible misconception on how the game is won and lost.
This game showed us all why Robes will be so important come playoff time.

[bondom34]

When Harden was on the court with Roberson Houston had a 109.4 ORtg and a -31.8 net rating. Harden was 4/11.

When Roberson was off court Houston had a 131.6 ORtg and a +42.0 net rating. Harden was 3/7.

Harden averaged 32 points and 9 assists...in this game he had 29 and 14 so he clearly surpassed what he normally does offensively. As usual Roberson (and George) did nothing whatsoever to slow him down and just like we saw in the playoffs Roberson has no effect on his game (Harden averaged almost 34 against Roberson in the playoffs). That doesn't even mention the 25-30 wide open, completely unguarded shots Roberson is turning down every game because he knows he can't shoot or the advantage he gave Harden who was guarding him to conserve energy since he doesn't need to be guarded. You put a remotely competent two way player at the 2 in this game and OKC wins by 20 points going away. The Big3 and Adams all shot over 50% which is why they won this game. It shouldn't have been that close.

I don't think you understood what I posted.

[ThunderBolt]

When Harden was on the court with Roberson Houston had a 109.4 ORtg and a -31.8 net rating. Harden was 4/11.

When Roberson was off court Houston had a 131.6 ORtg and a +42.0 net rating. Harden was 3/7.

Harden averaged 32 points and 9 assists...in this game he had 29 and 14 so he clearly surpassed what he normally does offensively. As usual Roberson (and George) did nothing whatsoever to slow him down and just like we saw in the playoffs Roberson has no effect on his game (Harden averaged almost 34 against Roberson in the playoffs). That doesn't even mention the 25-30 wide open, completely unguarded shots Roberson is turning down every game because he knows he can't shoot or the advantage he gave Harden who was guarding him to conserve energy since he doesn't need to be guarded. You put a remotely competent two way player at the 2 in this game and OKC wins by 20 points going away. The Big3 and Adams all shot over 50% which is why they won this game. It shouldn't have been that close.

I don't think you understood what I posted.

I don’t think you’re the first person to feel that way.

[spearsy23]

. that's a potential 17 point swing right there alone (rockets could have scored 9 points on threes in those possessions, instead we scored 6).

Math. Not even once.

[slick_watts]

. that's a potential 17 point swing right there alone (rockets could have scored 9 points on threes in those possessions, instead we scored 6).

Math. Not even once.

15 points, 17 points- same thing.

[RalphSampsonJr]

. that's a potential 17 point swing right there alone (rockets could have scored 9 points on threes in those possessions, instead we scored 6).

Math. Not even once.

2+2 is 4 minus 1 thats 3 quick mafffs

[sleestak33]

the andre roberson haters don't know what to do. dre is 8th in the nba in drpm right now. our defense turns into mush when he's out of the game. against the two best teams in the nba- the teams that he was supposed to be unplayable against- our offense had no problems with him in there.

there were three plays alone where dre got the steal and made a perfect pass to a streaking teammate for a fast break bucket. that's a potential 17 point swing right there alone (rockets could have scored 9 points on threes in those possessions, instead we scored 6).

sleestak looking foolish complaining about harden's productivity when he looked downright scared whenever dre was on him, and did virtually nothing in those instances. the rockets spent 10 seconds every possession desperately trying to screen him off. then he blocks harden on the potential tying FG attempt.

yes the free throw thing is annoying, but even hubie brown said it during the game- that dre (and adams) do a lot of moving around on the court that creates vertical spacing. we're at our best when he's used as a screener on the ball, back screener, etc. he had three hockey assists last night as a roll man in the pnr, and 5 'normal' assists overall.

it's not too late to get on board.

Yeah Harden was scared...kind of like how he was scared in the 1st 3 games of their playoff series when he had 37, 35 and 44 points (more points than any player has scored in the 1st 3 games of the postseason dating all the way back to Michael Jordan)! LMAO! Harden can score or pass at will on Roberson and in this game he looked disinterested in scoring (although he still had 29...only 3 under his normal average) and lit Roberson up for 14 assists. Like I said, Harden surpassed his normal offensive output which is what always happens when Roberson guards the better and elite players in the NBA. Oh and how about the first two free throws he shot in the Houston game that missed the rim entirely (the 2nd time he's done that this year)? What an utter embarrassment.

[slick_watts]

and lit Roberson up for 14 assists