Nets - In Season Moves & Possible Trade Ideas

[Prokorov]

Harris has been in a bit of shooting slump recently . I don’t think his defense is as good as Crabbe. Crabbe has underperformed so far but imo he is still getting acclimated to team. I think there are good reasons for starting him over Harris

I am a huge fan of Harris but imo we have seen close to his ceiling whereas with Crabbe I don’t think we know yet. To me he is still developing

I will really miss Harris if he is traded though because I think he has as good a sense of being a team player in Atkinson’s system as possibly anyone. I Iove his attitude

What makes you think harris reached his potential but crabbe hasnt?

they are about the same age and crabbe has been in the league longer. both were picked in the second round (Crabbe #31, harris #33) and both have improved year over year (although a bit of a dip for crabbe this year)

[Prokorov]

I would definitely move Harris for the right deal. Maybe we can even squeeze out a late 1st rounder from a contender needing extra shooting. In our situation we need to max out every opportunity we get to gain assets. Harris is a success story from our development team but more than likely he will be out of our price range in free agency. Every team needs 3pt shooting so no doubts he will have suitors.

I still feel that a stretch 4 to take over Acy's role off the bench would help us improve. We have a lot of guards/perimeter players and pure Centers like Moz/Jah/Allen/Zeller but lack another good 4 outside of RHJ since Booker left.

if we can move harris for a pick we should do it. we wont be able to bring him back

[Prokorov]

How about Aaron Gordon for Deangelo Russell? You’ve got Lin coming back, we’ve got Isaac coming up. Similar “level” players imo, just different spots.

No thanks. We have RHJ at power forward and Lins days at a net are numbered and he doesnt fit long term.

[Netaman]

How about Aaron Gordon for Deangelo Russell? You’ve got Lin coming back, we’ve got Isaac coming up. Similar “level” players imo, just different spots.

No thanks. We have RHJ at power forward and Lins days at a net are numbered and he doesnt fit long term.

Agree Lin shouldn't factor in at all, but albeit to a lesser degree RHJ shouldn't either. Gordon is showing he can play the stretch role in a big way so in terms of where he'd function in the offense it would probably be more the role Carroll/Acy currently play than RHJ. Obviously that's an insane talent upgrade. Nothing against Russell, but if Orlando offered that Marks would have to consider it. It's not totally outside the realm of possibility that Dinwiddie and Levert are ready to be a starting backcourt.

[Keith Van Horn]

someone on Twitter mentioned Dinwiddie for Trey Lyles. Din would be hugely popular in a Denver uniform... but IDK about that. I'd rather see if we could get Lyles for Harris and a 2nd rounder.

[Netaman]

someone on Twitter mentioned Dinwiddie for Trey Lyles. Din would be hugely popular in a Denver uniform... but IDK about that. I'd rather see if we could get Lyles for Harris and a 2nd rounder.

Lyles is the exact type of guy I'd like to see them target for Harris. Hard pass for Dinwiddie though. Lyles seems destined to be a role player off the bench, Dinwiddie is showing he could have a future as a starter or at minimum be a great 6th man.

[TheNetsFan]

someone on Twitter mentioned Dinwiddie for Trey Lyles. Din would be hugely popular in a Denver uniform... but IDK about that. I'd rather see if we could get Lyles for Harris and a 2nd rounder.

I don't think Dinwiddie gets moved before Russell is full speed. Even then, the best value for ultra cheap guys on multi-year deals (e.g. Dinwiddie, Zeller) is to pair them with larger contracts like Mozgov (not happening), Lin, Crabbe or Carroll. The rule of thumb is you don't typically trade young and cheap with upside for young and cheap with upside. That typically centers around rookie deals, but if you trade Dinwiddie, that's what you're hoping to accomplish.

[vincecarter4pres]

Trade scraps for Paul George and make a run at the playoffs with eyes on keeping him and pairing him with a free agent signing along with D-Lo, RHJ, Dinwiddie, Allen and LeVert.

One can dream.

[Prokorov]

How about Aaron Gordon for Deangelo Russell? You’ve got Lin coming back, we’ve got Isaac coming up. Similar “level” players imo, just different spots.

No thanks. We have RHJ at power forward and Lins days at a net are numbered and he doesnt fit long term.

Agree Lin shouldn't factor in at all, but albeit to a lesser degree RHJ shouldn't either. Gordon is showing he can play the stretch role in a big way so in terms of where he'd function in the offense it would probably be more the role Carroll/Acy currently play than RHJ. Obviously that's an insane talent upgrade. Nothing against Russell, but if Orlando offered that Marks would have to consider it. It's not totally outside the realm of possibility that Dinwiddie and Levert are ready to be a starting backcourt.

I view russell > Gordon. but even if i didnt RHJ is the main factor as i also view RHJ > Gordon. and although we wouldnt be swapping those two im not moving rhj or changing his position to accomodate gordon. nor do i want to pay gordon big money off of 1 year when im still not sold on him as a top 3 player on a playoff team

[Prokorov]

Trade scraps for Paul George and make a run at the playoffs with eyes on keeping him and pairing him with a free agent signing along with D-Lo, RHJ, Dinwiddie, Allen and LeVert.

One can dream.

i pass on george. doesnt fit the timelne, high priced, and has shown your not going anywhere with him as your #1. i also think he has some ego problems.

[steady]

Harris has been in a bit of shooting slump recently . I don’t think his defense is as good as Crabbe. Crabbe has underperformed so far but imo he is still getting acclimated to team. I think there are good reasons for starting him over Harris

I am a huge fan of Harris but imo we have seen close to his ceiling whereas with Crabbe I don’t think we know yet. To me he is still developing

I will really miss Harris if he is traded though because I think he has as good a sense of being a team player in Atkinson’s system as possibly anyone. I Iove his attitude

What makes you think harris reached his potential but crabbe hasnt?

they are about the same age and crabbe has been in the league longer. both were picked in the second round (Crabbe #31, harris #33) and both have improved year over year (although a bit of a dip for crabbe this year)

Because we have already seen pretty significant improvement in Crabbe's defense and driving basket, and it's just been a month and a half since he's been able to play with team

And Harris has had two off seasons and one more season with Atkinson and his staff, and the Nets' system, than Crabbe.

[TheNetsFan]

Trade scraps for Paul George and make a run at the playoffs with eyes on keeping him and pairing him with a free agent signing along with D-Lo, RHJ, Dinwiddie, Allen and LeVert.

One can dream.

i pass on george. doesnt fit the timelne, high priced, and has shown your not going anywhere with him as your #1. i also think he has some ego problems.

Even if he gets Crabbe off the books?

I could see us facilitate a 3 team deal that would land George in Cleveland or Houston. I don't see us bringing him here. He's fool's gold.

[bws94]

Passing on George is a smart move. Great player, but not a #1 great player.

[DeRoma]

Trade scraps for Paul George and make a run at the playoffs with eyes on keeping him and pairing him with a free agent signing along with D-Lo, RHJ, Dinwiddie, Allen and LeVert.

One can dream.

i pass on george. doesnt fit the timelne, high priced, and has shown your not going anywhere with him as your #1. i also think he has some ego problems.

I think in today's modern NBA being a true #1 player is not necessary for a team to be successful. I think what's more important is to have a much more complete team rather than having 3 superstars and the rest being G-Leaguer (i.e. Celtics, Spurs). I'd be fine with George being a #1 with a team full of real NBA players that can play with one another.

[TheNetsFan]

George to Cleveland, Crabbe and RHJ to OKC, Shumpert, Frye and Brooklyn pick to Brooklyn.
Close to workable? OKC may need a bit more, but they're not getting full value back for a rental. Crabbe would be a very interesting fit with Westbrook.

[Paradise]

All of that for the right to draft 13th Qoverall? Sheesh.

[Ror1997]

Trade scraps for Paul George and make a run at the playoffs with eyes on keeping him and pairing him with a free agent signing along with D-Lo, RHJ, Dinwiddie, Allen and LeVert.

One can dream.

Earlier today I was thinking how funny it would be if we signed PG13 in F/A and he said part of why he came here was to play with DLo. Magic Johnson would get fired lmao

[MrDollarBills]

George to Cleveland, Crabbe and RHJ to OKC, Shumpert, Frye and Brooklyn pick to Brooklyn.
Close to workable? OKC may need a bit more, but they're not getting full value back for a rental. Crabbe would be a very interesting fit with Westbrook.

why would we do that deal? We lose Crabbe and RHJ for two washed up players and our pick back? we won't even be in the top 3. No thanks. RHJ will end up having more value long term than that pick.

[MrDollarBills]

Trade scraps for Paul George and make a run at the playoffs with eyes on keeping him and pairing him with a free agent signing along with D-Lo, RHJ, Dinwiddie, Allen and LeVert.

One can dream.

i pass on george. doesnt fit the timelne, high priced, and has shown your not going anywhere with him as your #1. i also think he has some ego problems.

yeah I like George, but he's not a fit here. He's also kind of a dick...he believes his own hype imo to his detriment.

[TheNetsFan]

George to Cleveland, Crabbe and RHJ to OKC, Shumpert, Frye and Brooklyn pick to Brooklyn.
Close to workable? OKC may need a bit more, but they're not getting full value back for a rental. Crabbe would be a very interesting fit with Westbrook.

why would we do that deal? We lose Crabbe and RHJ for two washed up players and our pick back? we won't even be in the top 3. No thanks. RHJ will end up having more value long term than that pick.

Reasons to do that trade:
1) Potential buyer's remorse on Crabbe: Frye is an expiring deal & Shumpert has 1 year left (player option). The latter could be a buy-out candidate. It could result in max cap space this year, and would provide more flexibility in future years as well.
2) The top 12 of the draft is very Forward heavy, which is our biggest area of need.
3) While unlikely to be a top 3 pick, anything can happen in the lottery.
4) Lottery = 4 more years at cheap salary; RHJ = 1 more year at cheap salary.

Reasons not to do the trade:
1) Marks views RHJ as having more upside than a potential lottery pick this year.
2) Marks is convinced that Crabbe can be a top 4 player on a good team.

My belief is that everything is focused on 2020 and beyond. Marks has stated that they've had internal discussions as to when the right time to pursue an elite player would be. That window is shorter with Crabbe & RHJ versus a guy like Jaren Jackson Jr (who NBADraft.net currently has at 7, but admittedly has the potential to creep into the top 5 picks). The Nets supposedly had a sizable scouting contingent at the RAC, when Michigan St. played Rutgers. Jackson is seemingly the prototype for a PF in this offense.