Star Wars Episode VIII - SPOILERS

[Sark]

I have no problem with them going in a totally new direction, as long as the direction was good and executed properly. Unfortunately it was executed terribly, and I have no idea what the new direction is. This movie would be fine of it was the last part of a trilogy. But it was part 2, and it left no compelling reason to want to see the next one.

Also the humor was terribly placed. Totally killed any mood.

The best thing about this movie is that I am now more familiar with Rian Johnson, and will stay away from his work in the future.

[IllmaticHandler]

You know they going to change so much in the future, the fact that Yoda burned everything is telling. Thats a symbol of craziness to come. I think its pretty Lame to Say that Rey is a "new hope" and she has NO understood of certain things or knowledge of history. That's terrible writing if you ask me. She has no history or extensive training. Luke at the Minimum had Ben and Yoda, to explain things. Only thing Rey learned from Luke is why he ran and what the force is. It would have been better if she comes back to the Island and finds out stuff from those texts. Using Yoda in this manner was not the best they could to tell something "different". You basically threw a kid out there with a week of force training and destroyed everything for her to grow from. It must have taken luke a minute to find all those relics. Its actually very dangerous to have Rey out there so much alone. I assume Lupitas character plays a role in the next film as she might be the only one left with any kind of knowledge.

[shtolky]

I have no problem with them going in a totally new direction, as long as the direction was good and executed properly. Unfortunately it was executed terribly, and I have no idea what the new direction is. This movie would be fine of it was the last part of a trilogy. But it was part 2, and it left no compelling reason to want to see the next one.

Also the humor was terribly placed. Totally killed any mood.

The best thing about this movie is that I am now more familiar with Rian Johnson, and will stay away from his work in the future.

Looper was fantastic. Don't be so rigid. To each his own I guess.

[NBA Fan 1234]

You know they going to change so much in the future, the fact that Yoda burned everything is telling. Thats a symbol of craziness to come. I think its pretty Lame to Say that Rey is a "new hope" and she has NO understood of certain things or knowledge of history. That's terrible writing if you ask me. She has no history or extensive training. Luke at the Minimum had Ben and Yoda, to explain things. Only thing Rey learned from Luke is why he ran and what the force is. It would have been better if she comes back to the Island and finds out stuff from those texts. Using Yoda in this manner was not the best they could to tell something "different". You basically threw a kid out there with a week of force training and destroyed everything for her to grow from. It must have taken luke a minute to find all those relics. Its actually very dangerous to have Rey out there so much alone. I assume Lupitas character plays a role in the next film as she might be the only one left with any kind of knowledge.

Rey had the books with her on the Falcon. When she opened up the drawer near the end of the movie, they were there (at least they looked like they were the same ones).

Even still, no idea how she's going to train herself.

[IllmaticHandler]

You know they going to change so much in the future, the fact that Yoda burned everything is telling. Thats a symbol of craziness to come. I think its pretty Lame to Say that Rey is a "new hope" and she has NO understood of certain things or knowledge of history. That's terrible writing if you ask me. She has no history or extensive training. Luke at the Minimum had Ben and Yoda, to explain things. Only thing Rey learned from Luke is why he ran and what the force is. It would have been better if she comes back to the Island and finds out stuff from those texts. Using Yoda in this manner was not the best they could to tell something "different". You basically threw a kid out there with a week of force training and destroyed everything for her to grow from. It must have taken luke a minute to find all those relics. Its actually very dangerous to have Rey out there so much alone. I assume Lupitas character plays a role in the next film as she might be the only one left with any kind of knowledge.

Rey had the books with her on the Falcon. When she opened up the drawer near the end of the movie, they were there (at least they looked like they were the same ones).

Even still, no idea how she's going to train herself.

I must have missed that part when I checked a mesage.. Well at least they not that stupid. So what did Yoda actually destroy then? not all of it?

[E-Balla]

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/12/20/the-curious-case-of-the-last-jedi-and-its-rotten-tomatoes-audience-score

I think it's more a case of 1) Star Wars fans are a passionate fan base and people are emotional and overreacting 2) Everything in today's age is either the best or the worst. There can't be a middle ground. It's annoying. There are a lot of 1/2 star and 1-star reviews on RT. That's stupid.

I don't like TLJ but it's not as bad as the Prequels.

There's nothing in Episode 1 as bad as the entire rebel and Finn/Rose plotlines and Episode 3 was better than this movie to me. Clones is just irredeemable. No positives.

[E-Balla]

You know they going to change so much in the future, the fact that Yoda burned everything is telling. Thats a symbol of craziness to come. I think its pretty Lame to Say that Rey is a "new hope" and she has NO understood of certain things or knowledge of history. That's terrible writing if you ask me. She has no history or extensive training. Luke at the Minimum had Ben and Yoda, to explain things. Only thing Rey learned from Luke is why he ran and what the force is. It would have been better if she comes back to the Island and finds out stuff from those texts. Using Yoda in this manner was not the best they could to tell something "different". You basically threw a kid out there with a week of force training and destroyed everything for her to grow from. It must have taken luke a minute to find all those relics. Its actually very dangerous to have Rey out there so much alone. I assume Lupitas character plays a role in the next film as she might be the only one left with any kind of knowledge.

Rey had the books with her on the Falcon. When she opened up the drawer near the end of the movie, they were there (at least they looked like they were the same ones).

Even still, no idea how she's going to train herself.

I must have missed that part when I checked a mesage.. Well at least they not that stupid. So what did Yoda actually destroy then? not all of it?

He destroyed nothing but the tree. The whole scene was dumb.

[NBA Fan 1234]

You know they going to change so much in the future, the fact that Yoda burned everything is telling. Thats a symbol of craziness to come. I think its pretty Lame to Say that Rey is a "new hope" and she has NO understood of certain things or knowledge of history. That's terrible writing if you ask me. She has no history or extensive training. Luke at the Minimum had Ben and Yoda, to explain things. Only thing Rey learned from Luke is why he ran and what the force is. It would have been better if she comes back to the Island and finds out stuff from those texts. Using Yoda in this manner was not the best they could to tell something "different". You basically threw a kid out there with a week of force training and destroyed everything for her to grow from. It must have taken luke a minute to find all those relics. Its actually very dangerous to have Rey out there so much alone. I assume Lupitas character plays a role in the next film as she might be the only one left with any kind of knowledge.

Rey had the books with her on the Falcon. When she opened up the drawer near the end of the movie, they were there (at least they looked like they were the same ones).

Even still, no idea how she's going to train herself.

I must have missed that part when I checked a mesage.. Well at least they not that stupid. So what did Yoda actually destroy then? not all of it?

Yah, my dad missed it too. I could be wrong and they might have been different books, but I don't think I am? **Interwebs confirm, books are on ship**

I think he just destroyed the (force sensitive) tree.

[Sark]

I have no problem with them going in a totally new direction, as long as the direction was good and executed properly. Unfortunately it was executed terribly, and I have no idea what the new direction is. This movie would be fine of it was the last part of a trilogy. But it was part 2, and it left no compelling reason to want to see the next one.

Also the humor was terribly placed. Totally killed any mood.

The best thing about this movie is that I am now more familiar with Rian Johnson, and will stay away from his work in the future.

Looper was fantastic. Don't be so rigid. To each his own I guess.

Looper was a good idea, but the movie was pretty bad.

[shtolky]

You know they going to change so much in the future, the fact that Yoda burned everything is telling. Thats a symbol of craziness to come. I think its pretty Lame to Say that Rey is a "new hope" and she has NO understood of certain things or knowledge of history. That's terrible writing if you ask me. She has no history or extensive training. Luke at the Minimum had Ben and Yoda, to explain things. Only thing Rey learned from Luke is why he ran and what the force is. It would have been better if she comes back to the Island and finds out stuff from those texts. Using Yoda in this manner was not the best they could to tell something "different". You basically threw a kid out there with a week of force training and destroyed everything for her to grow from. It must have taken luke a minute to find all those relics. Its actually very dangerous to have Rey out there so much alone. I assume Lupitas character plays a role in the next film as she might be the only one left with any kind of knowledge.

Rey had the books with her on the Falcon. When she opened up the drawer near the end of the movie, they were there (at least they looked like they were the same ones).

Even still, no idea how she's going to train herself.

It's not like Luke got all this expert training. He trained with live Obi-Wan for like an hour, then with Yoda he ran around with him on his back and received some words of wisdom. Rey was already a good fighter (see her with that staff) and she had an innate talent. And she did get some teaching from Luke. Also, I would bet my life he comes back as a ghost in the next one, especially now that Carrie Fisher is not alive. And she has those books. I would also bet IX jumps in time significantly. No need to pick up where we left off like this time around. There is room to play with that.

[shtolky]

I have no problem with them going in a totally new direction, as long as the direction was good and executed properly. Unfortunately it was executed terribly, and I have no idea what the new direction is. This movie would be fine of it was the last part of a trilogy. But it was part 2, and it left no compelling reason to want to see the next one.

Also the humor was terribly placed. Totally killed any mood.

The best thing about this movie is that I am now more familiar with Rian Johnson, and will stay away from his work in the future.

Looper was fantastic. Don't be so rigid. To each his own I guess.

Looper was a good idea, but the movie was pretty bad.

Oh come onnnn. Hey, we all have opinions right. I hope the next one is good in your eyes, same for all of us.

[NBA Fan 1234]

You know they going to change so much in the future, the fact that Yoda burned everything is telling. Thats a symbol of craziness to come. I think its pretty Lame to Say that Rey is a "new hope" and she has NO understood of certain things or knowledge of history. That's terrible writing if you ask me. She has no history or extensive training. Luke at the Minimum had Ben and Yoda, to explain things. Only thing Rey learned from Luke is why he ran and what the force is. It would have been better if she comes back to the Island and finds out stuff from those texts. Using Yoda in this manner was not the best they could to tell something "different". You basically threw a kid out there with a week of force training and destroyed everything for her to grow from. It must have taken luke a minute to find all those relics. Its actually very dangerous to have Rey out there so much alone. I assume Lupitas character plays a role in the next film as she might be the only one left with any kind of knowledge.

Rey had the books with her on the Falcon. When she opened up the drawer near the end of the movie, they were there (at least they looked like they were the same ones).

Even still, no idea how she's going to train herself.

It's not like Luke got all this expert training. He trained with live Obi-Wan for like an hour, then with Yoda he ran around with him on his back and received some words of wisdom. Rey was already a good fighter (see her with that staff) and she had an innate talent. And she did get some teaching from Luke. Also, I would bet my life he comes back as a ghost in the next one, especially now that Carrie Fisher is not alive. And she has those books. I would also bet IX jumps in time significantly. No need to pick up where we left off like this time around. There is room to play with that.

Yoda taught him how to harness the force. Rey has a good grasp of it for someone who has no training, but there's more to being taught something than just by reading it. Take studying law - you can know all of the laws and everything, but applying it is completely different.

She didn't really get teaching from Luke...like, less than what Luke received from Yoda. The books will help her learning the force, but it's not a be-all, end-all teaching product. I'm curious to see how far she's able to advance between 8 and 9.

[shtolky]

Rey had the books with her on the Falcon. When she opened up the drawer near the end of the movie, they were there (at least they looked like they were the same ones).

Even still, no idea how she's going to train herself.

It's not like Luke got all this expert training. He trained with live Obi-Wan for like an hour, then with Yoda he ran around with him on his back and received some words of wisdom. Rey was already a good fighter (see her with that staff) and she had an innate talent. And she did get some teaching from Luke. Also, I would bet my life he comes back as a ghost in the next one, especially now that Carrie Fisher is not alive. And she has those books. I would also bet IX jumps in time significantly. No need to pick up where we left off like this time around. There is room to play with that.

Yoda taught him how to harness the force. Rey has a good grasp of it for someone who has no training, but there's more to being taught something than just by reading it. Take studying law - you can know all of the laws and everything, but applying it is completely different.

She didn't really get teaching from Luke...like, less than what Luke received from Yoda. The books will help her learning the force, but it's not a be-all, end-all teaching product. I'm curious to see how far she's able to advance between 8 and 9.

I am a lawyer, I would know! A new lawyer, but still.

I think there could have been more teaching scenes with Luke and Rey (apparently "Lesson 3" will be a deleted scene), but the scene with her on the rock I think was pretty great. She obviously has a talent that doesn't require a ton of teaching, though I liked her line when she said the force was a power allowing people to move rocks and things. I still say at the start of 9, she's a full fledged Jedi with years passing. Maybe teaching new students.

[IllmaticHandler]

Rey had the books with her on the Falcon. When she opened up the drawer near the end of the movie, they were there (at least they looked like they were the same ones).

Even still, no idea how she's going to train herself.

I must have missed that part when I checked a mesage.. Well at least they not that stupid. So what did Yoda actually destroy then? not all of it?

Yah, my dad missed it too. I could be wrong and they might have been different books, but I don't think I am? **Interwebs confirm, books are on ship**

I think he just destroyed the (force sensitive) tree.

Ok I thought everything was there along with the tree, makes that scene even more crazy like Eballa said Yeah, it seems Finn opened the drawer and the books are shown, that means those are the books i would think since they made sure to show it.

[Oscirus]

Sorry but any star wars movie that begins with a yo mama joke deserves to get panned.

As for the force awakens, the point of that movie was not only to show fans that disney knew what it was doing but to also present interesting new characters while paying reverence to the old characters, it succeeded with all that.

This movie had a chance to not only expand upon that but also go into an exciting new direction. It failed.

It didn't address the issues that Force awakens left, even going so far as to completely ignore them.
It failed to expand upon the characters other then hackneyed cliched ways.
It didn't even deliver a light saber battle.
It failed Luke. Even Mark Hamil didn't like the direction they went with it.

also: WHERE THE HELL ARE THE KNIGHTS OF REN?

[NBA Fan 1234]

It's not like Luke got all this expert training. He trained with live Obi-Wan for like an hour, then with Yoda he ran around with him on his back and received some words of wisdom. Rey was already a good fighter (see her with that staff) and she had an innate talent. And she did get some teaching from Luke. Also, I would bet my life he comes back as a ghost in the next one, especially now that Carrie Fisher is not alive. And she has those books. I would also bet IX jumps in time significantly. No need to pick up where we left off like this time around. There is room to play with that.

Yoda taught him how to harness the force. Rey has a good grasp of it for someone who has no training, but there's more to being taught something than just by reading it. Take studying law - you can know all of the laws and everything, but applying it is completely different.

She didn't really get teaching from Luke...like, less than what Luke received from Yoda. The books will help her learning the force, but it's not a be-all, end-all teaching product. I'm curious to see how far she's able to advance between 8 and 9.

I am a lawyer, I would know! A new lawyer, but still.

I think there could have been more teaching scenes with Luke and Rey (apparently "Lesson 3" will be a deleted scene), but the scene with her on the rock I think was pretty great. She obviously has a talent that doesn't require a ton of teaching, though I liked her line when she said the force was a power allowing people to move rocks and things. I still say at the start of 9, she's a full fledged Jedi with years passing. Maybe teaching new students.

As am I! Graduated back in May and I've been working in data/privacy law since. A bit out of the realm of what I want to do, but I'm still feeling things out.

Was just gonna say that they removed 20 min of footage from the film and apparently one of the scenes was her being taught by Luke. The ground cracking was another awesome scene. I also liked how she "went to the darkness." Kinda goes against the whole "Rey being perfect" thing people said about her after E7.

If they end up with her starting the NJO that'd be awesome. The little boy at the end with the broom might have been a teaser for that (even if he doesn't end up going to the school) - just as a way to show that there are still plenty of force-sensitive users out there.

[shtolky]

I must have missed that part when I checked a mesage.. Well at least they not that stupid. So what did Yoda actually destroy then? not all of it?

Yah, my dad missed it too. I could be wrong and they might have been different books, but I don't think I am? **Interwebs confirm, books are on ship**

I think he just destroyed the (force sensitive) tree.

Ok I thought everything was there along with the tree, makes that scene even more crazy like Eballa said Yeah, it seems Finn opened the drawer and the books are shown, that means those are the books i would think since they made sure to show it.

I missed it too on first viewing, but they are there very quickly when Finn opens to drawer. It's why Yoda laughingly says something to Luke to the effect of her possessing everything she needs to know. It's because he knew she took the books. A clever little line.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Sorry but any star wars movie that begins with a yo mama joke deserves to get panned.

As for the force awakens, the point of that movie was not only to show fans that disney knew what it was doing but to also present interesting new characters while paying reverence to the old characters, it succeeded with all that.

This movie had a chance to not only expand upon that but also go into an exciting new direction. It failed.

It didn't address the issues that Force awakens left, even going so far as to completely ignore them.
It failed to expand upon the characters other then hackneyed cliched ways.
It didn't even deliver a light saber battle.
It failed Luke. Even Mark Hamil didn't like the direction they went with it.

also: WHERE THE HELL ARE THE KNIGHTS OF REN?

What happened to the group of students he took with him also...? Ugh, I wish they went into more detail about the school...

[shtolky]

Sorry but any star wars movie that begins with a yo mama joke deserves to get panned.

As for the force awakens, the point of that movie was not only to show fans that disney knew what it was doing but to also present interesting new characters while paying reverence to the old characters, it succeeded with all that.

This movie had a chance to not only expand upon that but also go into an exciting new direction. It failed.

It didn't address the issues that Force awakens left, even going so far as to completely ignore them.
It failed to expand upon the characters other then hackneyed cliched ways.
It didn't even deliver a light saber battle.
It failed Luke. Even Mark Hamil didn't like the direction they went with it.

also: WHERE THE HELL ARE THE KNIGHTS OF REN?

What happened to the group of students he took with him also...? Ugh, I wish they went into more detail about the school...

I think those students are the Knights of Ren. I would bet we see the in IX. After all, JJ created them, and now that Kylo is the man, he will need his boys (or girls?) with him to fight.

[Oscirus]

Sorry but any star wars movie that begins with a yo mama joke deserves to get panned.

As for the force awakens, the point of that movie was not only to show fans that disney knew what it was doing but to also present interesting new characters while paying reverence to the old characters, it succeeded with all that.

This movie had a chance to not only expand upon that but also go into an exciting new direction. It failed.

It didn't address the issues that Force awakens left, even going so far as to completely ignore them.
It failed to expand upon the characters other then hackneyed cliched ways.
It didn't even deliver a light saber battle.
It failed Luke. Even Mark Hamil didn't like the direction they went with it.

also: WHERE THE HELL ARE THE KNIGHTS OF REN?

What happened to the group of students he took with him also...? Ugh, I wish they went into more detail about the school...

I'm going to assume the group of students are the Knights of Ren. That seems like a valuable resource not to be using. Especially when the other side has all of 3 known force users on it's side.