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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread (FIBA Americas Aug 25 - Sep 3) 

Post#3821 » by slothrop8 » Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:21 pm

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Back to Canada's players...PAOK cut Owen Klassen (which was obviously going to happen with how bad he was playing). He's supposedly moved on to some team in Germany.

So no one knows if Dejan Kravic is part of Canada's national program? He's way better than the bigs Canada has been using. He's playing in Greek club Panionios - in a few games I watched he showed solid athleticism and great skills at 7 feet.


Kravic apparently is committed to trying to make Serbia's team. He's a dual citizen and made it to the final 16 in Serbia's camp before being cut from their 2014 World Cup team. What interviews or articles I've seen on Kravic indicate he's committed to Serbia. I'm not sure what his chances of ever making the cut with Serbia would be - maybe the new qualifying process gets him a look with the Serbian team at some point, and although I'm not fully versed on Serbia's big man depth I have to assume it'll likely be tough for him.
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread (FIBA Americas Aug 25 - Sep 3) 

Post#3822 » by UcanUwill » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:22 pm

Kevin Pangos with anoter decent game in a winning effort against German Champions Brose. Toupane is Euroleague bust though.

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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread (FIBA Americas Aug 25 - Sep 3) 

Post#3823 » by Mirotic12 » Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:54 pm

slothrop8 wrote:Kravic apparently is committed to trying to make Serbia's team. He's a dual citizen and made it to the final 16 in Serbia's camp before being cut from their 2014 World Cup team. What interviews or articles I've seen on Kravic indicate he's committed to Serbia. I'm not sure what his chances of ever making the cut with Serbia would be - maybe the new qualifying process gets him a look with the Serbian team at some point, and although I'm not fully versed on Serbia's big man depth I have to assume it'll likely be tough for him.


I think he's definitely good enough to make Serbia's team. He's 7 feet, has a good handle, is a good passer, can run the floor well, he's a solid rebounder, can shoot the 3, and he has all kinds of offensive moves in high post, low post, and face up game.

He's certainly better than someone like Miroslav Raduljica for example, that is always in Serbia's national team as a center.
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread (FIBA Americas Aug 25 - Sep 3) 

Post#3824 » by slothrop8 » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:29 pm

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slothrop8 wrote:Kravic apparently is committed to trying to make Serbia's team. He's a dual citizen and made it to the final 16 in Serbia's camp before being cut from their 2014 World Cup team. What interviews or articles I've seen on Kravic indicate he's committed to Serbia. I'm not sure what his chances of ever making the cut with Serbia would be - maybe the new qualifying process gets him a look with the Serbian team at some point, and although I'm not fully versed on Serbia's big man depth I have to assume it'll likely be tough for him.


I think he's definitely good enough to make Serbia's team. He's 7 feet, has a good handle, is a good passer, can run the floor well, he's a solid rebounder, can shoot the 3, and he has all kinds of offensive moves in high post, low post, and face up game.

He's certainly better than someone like Miroslav Raduljica for example, that is always in Serbia's national team as a center.


Well good luck to him then. I'd prefer he'd have picked Canada, but as a guy who came up in the Canadian system I certainly wish him well.
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread (FIBA Americas Aug 25 - Sep 3) 

Post#3825 » by mojo13 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:30 pm

Round up of Canadians abroad last week:
http://www.usbasket.com/Canada/news/516768/Andrew-Nicholson's-45-points-make-him-top-Canadian-player-abroad-of-the-week
Nicholson playing well in China. 23.6ppg, 9.6rpg, 2.0apg, 1.3spg, 2FGP: 63.3%(124-196), 3FGP: 43.8% and FT: 77.8% in 17 games he played so far (although I am not sure what it means to be good in China).
Pierre and Thomas Scrubb seem to be finding their way on their new teams/leagues. Both seem to be picking up minutes and productivity the last few games. Looks like Pierre has been moved into the starting line-up and responded well - he has seen a big boast in minutes from the teens to the mid 30s (looks like starting does matter!).

Andy Rautins with a near triple double! It is a shame he has turned his back on the NT - I'd rather see him out there than Heslip. He a more well rounded player, with not much a drop off in shooting.

I am not seeing anything anywhere about Owen Klassen being cut from PAOK. Not that Mirotic isn't normally right on these things, but I am not sure about this yet. He seemed to play well in last game on Dec 16th with 8 points (4/5) 11 boards (4 offensive) in 15 minutes. they play again today, so we shall see if he is in the boxscore.


And not to put to much fear into anyone but Phillips Scrubb's surgically repaired knee is acting up again. He sat out the last game because of it. No news on a diagnosis yet. Fraports next game is the 22nd.
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread (FIBA Americas Aug 25 - Sep 3) 

Post#3826 » by Hair Canada » Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:17 pm

mojo13 wrote:Round up of Canadians abroad last week:
http://www.usbasket.com/Canada/news/516768/Andrew-Nicholson's-45-points-make-him-top-Canadian-player-abroad-of-the-week
Nicholson playing well in China. 23.6ppg, 9.6rpg, 2.0apg, 1.3spg, 2FGP: 63.3%(124-196), 3FGP: 43.8% and FT: 77.8% in 17 games he played so far (although I am not sure what it means to be good in China).
Pierre and Thomas Scrubb seem to be finding their way on their new teams/leagues. Both seem to be picking up minutes and productivity the last few games. Looks like Pierre has been moved into the starting line-up and responded well - he has seen a big boast in minutes from the teens to the mid 30s (looks like starting does matter!).

Andy Rautins with a near triple double! It is a shame he has turned his back on the NT - I'd rather see him out there than Heslip. He a more well rounded player, with not much a drop off in shooting.

I am not seeing anything anywhere about Owen Klassen being cut from PAOK. Not that Mirotic isn't normally right on these things, but I am not sure about this yet. He seemed to play well in last game on Dec 16th with 8 points (4/5) 11 boards (4 offensive) in 15 minutes. they play again today, so we shall see if he is in the boxscore.


And not to put to much fear into anyone but Phillips Scrubb's surgically repaired knee is acting up again. He sat out the last game because of it. No news on a diagnosis yet. Fraports next game is the 22nd.


Thanks Mojo. Useful news.
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread (FIBA Americas Aug 25 - Sep 3) 

Post#3827 » by mojo13 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:50 pm

Hair Canada wrote:
mojo13 wrote:Round up of Canadians abroad last week:
http://www.usbasket.com/Canada/news/516768/Andrew-Nicholson's-45-points-make-him-top-Canadian-player-abroad-of-the-week
Nicholson playing well in China. 23.6ppg, 9.6rpg, 2.0apg, 1.3spg, 2FGP: 63.3%(124-196), 3FGP: 43.8% and FT: 77.8% in 17 games he played so far (although I am not sure what it means to be good in China).
Pierre and Thomas Scrubb seem to be finding their way on their new teams/leagues. Both seem to be picking up minutes and productivity the last few games. Looks like Pierre has been moved into the starting line-up and responded well - he has seen a big boast in minutes from the teens to the mid 30s (looks like starting does matter!).

Andy Rautins with a near triple double! It is a shame he has turned his back on the NT - I'd rather see him out there than Heslip. He a more well rounded player, with not much a drop off in shooting.

I am not seeing anything anywhere about Owen Klassen being cut from PAOK. Not that Mirotic isn't normally right on these things, but I am not sure about this yet. He seemed to play well in last game on Dec 16th with 8 points (4/5) 11 boards (4 offensive) in 15 minutes. they play again today, so we shall see if he is in the boxscore.


And not to put to much fear into anyone but Phillips Scrubb's surgically repaired knee is acting up again. He sat out the last game because of it. No news on a diagnosis yet. Fraports next game is the 22nd.


Thanks Mojo. Useful news.


Thanks - anyone watching any of the G-League games and have any commentary on our guys?
I am watching box scores and not seeing much to get excited about besides Khem Birch, who is playing very well (but I believe is unavailable to Team Canada as he has an NBA contract).

XRM and Hanlan are starting but not looking great (good, but not great). Recently I am seeing a drop off in their games, compared to the start of the season, especially with a drop off in efficiency for XRM. XRM (13 ppg) is shooting 38% on the year (35% from 3 and 53% at the line!). His assist and rebound numbers are strong and his T/Os seem under control. Hanlan (17ppg) seems allot more efficient on the season with 48% FG%, 35% from three (1.5 per game), 90% FT but looks to be more of a SG role (2.5 assist per game). We need more from Hanlan in February than we saw in November (especially if Scrubb is seriously injured).

Naz Long has been getting core minutes, but looks like a very inefficient gunner right now. 15 ppg, 37% FG, 30% 3pt on almost 9 attempts for game. Solid rebounding at 5.7 per game (probably tracking down all his long bricks!) and assists (3.6) for a SG.

Bennett seems kind of solid - but noticing him posting a good game or two then disappearing completely (hello Team Canada). 12 ppg, on 55% shooting, 1.4 threes a game at 44% looks great, 5.5 rebounds a game seems soft but on only 21 minutes per game. seems like a guy we can't really rely on for Team Canada but hopefully he can contribute much more than his (non-existent) November games.

Boucher has yet to play and I hear should start playing in January (but likely will be unavailable to Canada as he has a NBA two-way contract).
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Kyle Wiltjer is starting today for Olympiacos. I didnt see that one coming....
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread (FIBA Americas Aug 25 - Sep 3) 

Post#3828 » by Mirotic12 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:35 pm

All of Olympiacos' power forwards (Printezis, Tillie, Agravanis) are injured. So Wiltjer will for sure get solid playing time for at least awhile.

He was really aggressive on offense in the game against CSKA...actually too aggressive. He needs to keep attacking like that, but he needs to tone it down just a bit. He almost shot it every time he touched it. Still, if he hits those outside shots, he will get playing time.
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread (FIBA Americas Aug 25 - Sep 3) 

Post#3829 » by mojo13 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:41 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:All of Olympiacos' power forwards (Printezis, Tillie, Agravanis) are injured. So Wiltjer will for sure get solid playing time for at least awhile.

He was really aggressive on offense in the game against CSKA...actually too aggressive. He needs to keep attacking like that, but he needs to tone it down just a bit. He almost shot it every time he touched it. Still, if he hits those outside shots, he will get playing time.



Owen Klassen played today for PAOK. Started actually, but only played 12 minutes.
Where did you hear he was cut?
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread (FIBA Americas Aug 25 - Sep 3) 

Post#3830 » by Hair Canada » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:20 am

mojo13 wrote:XRM and Hanlan are starting but not looking great (good, but not great). Recently I am seeing a drop off in their games, compared to the start of the season, especially with a drop off in efficiency for XRM. XRM (13 ppg) is shooting 38% on the year (35% from 3 and 53% at the line!). His assist and rebound numbers are strong and his T/Os seem under control. Hanlan (17ppg) seems allot more efficient on the season with 48% FG%, 35% from three (1.5 per game), 90% FT but looks to be more of a SG role (2.5 assist per game). We need more from Hanlan in February than we saw in November (especially if Scrubb is seriously injured).

Naz Long has been getting core minutes, but looks like a very inefficient gunner right now. 15 ppg, 37% FG, 30% 3pt on almost 9 attempts for game. Solid rebounding at 5.7 per game (probably tracking down all his long bricks!) and assists (3.6) for a SG.

Bennett seems kind of solid - but noticing him posting a good game or two then disappearing completely (hello Team Canada). 12 ppg, on 55% shooting, 1.4 threes a game at 44% looks great, 5.5 rebounds a game seems soft but on only 21 minutes per game. seems like a guy we can't really rely on for Team Canada but hopefully he can contribute much more than his (non-existent) November games.

Boucher has yet to play and I hear should start playing in January (but likely will be unavailable to Canada as he has a NBA two-way contract).
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Boy, we really need some extra depth.

As I said before, I'm putting my money on the classes of 2017-18 to add to our depth chart in two or three years of years. Some will get to the NBA, but not all, so the ones who do not might really add for tournaments like this one.

From 2017, the names I mentioned before were Alexander-Walker, Gilgious-Alexander, Brissett, Akot, Wigginton, Kigab, Carr, Djurucic, and also Jackson and McEwan from 2016. Some of these might stay 3 or 4 years in college and might already be able to contribute in a year or two.

From 2018, I mentioned 5 names with very good potential -- Barrett, Simi, Dort, Brezdaikis, and Nembhard. But there are two others who are borderline NBA potential and might also be good NT contributors in the future:

Noah Kirkwood is a 6'7 guard, who will join Djuricic and Corey Johnson at Harvard next fall (Chris Egi is a Senior, so he'll be out). Played for the national U19 team this summer (third time he was wearing the red and white). Was one of the youngest on the roster, but managed to contribute especially in the semifinal upset against the Americans, when he even played some minutes at the point. He already moved to a school in Massachusetts this year and trying to make the transition to PG, although I don't think that's really his future position. A very nice player, who does many things well (three-ball shooting, penetration, defense), but nothing eye-popping. An average athlete with average length, which is why the NBA potential is somewhat questionable. But should eventually be a very good professional even if not in the NBA. Can really do well in Europe I think, and the same goes for Djuricic.

Jaelin Llewellin is I think an even bigger talent. Has been playing south of the border for the last two years, at Virginia Episcopal. While Kirkwood is going to complete a Canadian triplet at Harvard, Llewellin will be going to Princeton, joining Jerome Derosiers from Quebec, who also played for the U19 this summer. And they are not even the only Ivy League guys. Eze Dike, another athletic Quebec guard will be going to Yale next year and Aaryn Rai is a freshman at Dartmouth, doing quite well. A Canadian takeover. Anyway, back to basketball, Llewellin looks really good lately. He reminds me most of Lindell Wigginton -- about the same height, with similar explosive athleticism. but I think Jalin is more of a playmaker than Lindell, not just a scorer. And not that he's missing on the latter. This summer he was the best and most consistent player for Canada in the Adidas Nations, in a team that also included Brezdaikis, Nembhard, Kirkwood, and AJ Lawson (scored 40+ in one of the games). He also started the high school season really well, with almost 30 points and 10 assists a game. I don't get to see him much, but lately, his team came for two games against the AI teams (AI and Orangeville), which are probably the best high school teams in Canada. Llewellin was excellent in both games, but especially impressed in the game against Orangeville. 45 points and 11 assists, shooting from all ranges, and a couple of jaw-dropping dunks. His team lost both games by a margin, but certainly not because of him.
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread (FIBA Americas Aug 25 - Sep 3) 

Post#3831 » by TooBad » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:49 am

Greatest Night in Canadian NBA History?
Olynyk 32 pts 7 rebs 2asts 1 stl 1 blk (12-15 shooting) - Beat the Celtics, a team the Raps lost to without Irving, on his own.
Murray 30 pt 4reb 3ast 2 Stl (10-17 shooting)
Lyles 15 pts 1 reb 1 ast (5-9 shooting)
Joseph 11pts 3 reb 2 ast (5-9 shooting)
Powell 9 pts 1 reb (3-5 shooting)
Brooks 9 pts 2 reb (3-6 shooting)
Wiggins 7 pt 5 reb 2 ast 2 stl 1 blk (3-12 shooting) - what an embarrassment this guy has become (got destroyed by both Murray and Lyles tonight)
Stauskas 3pts (1/2 shooting)

Combined 116 pts!



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Post#3832 » by Mirotic12 » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:41 pm

mojo13 wrote:Owen Klassen played today for PAOK. Started actually, but only played 12 minutes.
Where did you hear he was cut?


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Post#3833 » by Hair Canada » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:34 pm

TooBad wrote:Greatest Night in Canadian NBA History?
Olynyk 32 pts 7 rebs 2asts 1 stl 1 blk (12-15 shooting) - Beat the Celtics, a team the Raps lost to without Irving, on his own.
Murray 30 pt 4reb 3ast 2 Stl (10-17 shooting)
Lyles 15 pts 1 reb 1 ast (5-9 shooting)
Joseph 11pts 3 reb 2 ast (5-9 shooting)
Powell 9 pts 1 reb (3-5 shooting)
Brooks 9 pts 2 reb (3-6 shooting)
Wiggins 7 pt 5 reb 2 ast 2 stl 1 blk (3-12 shooting) - what an embarrassment this guy has become (got destroyed by both Murray and Lyles tonight)
Stauskas 3pts (1/2 shooting)

Combined 116 pts!



Yes, really led by a career night from Olynyk (did you see that dunk at the end of the game?!) and by the Denver duo. I think it's also the first time that two Canadians score 30+ on the same day. Who would have thought that when this finally happens none of the two would be Wiggins...

Wiggins, by the way, is really free falling right now. In December he has 14 points per game, on 36% from the field, 23% from 3, and 58% from the line, plus the usual non-contribution in the other categories. He actually has only 1 assist per game this month! that's terrible even by his standards. Last three games have been especially abysmal: less than 10 points a game on less than 30% shooting from the field and 10% from 3. Small sample and all, but this is terrible. And it's not for lack of playing time. He's still been getting 36.5 minutes per game this month, although I'm not so sure why. At this point, it seems like his only luck is that he agreed (reluctantly!) to sign that 150 mil contract at the beginning of the year (the Timberwolves must already be regretting). You have to wonder if that actually took away whatever little motivation he still had to get better. Such a waste of talent...
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread (FIBA Americas Aug 25 - Sep 3) 

Post#3834 » by Big Mac Biyombo » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:50 pm

TooBad wrote:Greatest Night in Canadian NBA History?
Olynyk 32 pts 7 rebs 2asts 1 stl 1 blk (12-15 shooting) - Beat the Celtics, a team the Raps lost to without Irving, on his own.
Murray 30 pt 4reb 3ast 2 Stl (10-17 shooting)
Lyles 15 pts 1 reb 1 ast (5-9 shooting)
Joseph 11pts 3 reb 2 ast (5-9 shooting)
Powell 9 pts 1 reb (3-5 shooting)
Brooks 9 pts 2 reb (3-6 shooting)
Wiggins 7 pt 5 reb 2 ast 2 stl 1 blk (3-12 shooting) - what an embarrassment this guy has become (got destroyed by both Murray and Lyles tonight)
Stauskas 3pts (1/2 shooting)

Combined 116 pts!




I don't know if I'd say that's the greatest night in Canadian NBA history. Steve Nash won back to back MVP's and dropped 48 on the Mavs in the 2005 playoffs.
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Post#3835 » by TooBad » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:40 pm

Hair Canada wrote:
TooBad wrote:Greatest Night in Canadian NBA History?
Olynyk 32 pts 7 rebs 2asts 1 stl 1 blk (12-15 shooting) - Beat the Celtics, a team the Raps lost to without Irving, on his own.
Murray 30 pt 4reb 3ast 2 Stl (10-17 shooting)
Lyles 15 pts 1 reb 1 ast (5-9 shooting)
Joseph 11pts 3 reb 2 ast (5-9 shooting)
Powell 9 pts 1 reb (3-5 shooting)
Brooks 9 pts 2 reb (3-6 shooting)
Wiggins 7 pt 5 reb 2 ast 2 stl 1 blk (3-12 shooting) - what an embarrassment this guy has become (got destroyed by both Murray and Lyles tonight)
Stauskas 3pts (1/2 shooting)

Combined 116 pts!



Yes, really led by a career night from Olynyk (did you see that dunk at the end of the game?!) and by the Denver duo. I think it's also the first time that two Canadians score 30+ on the same day. Who would have thought that when this finally happens none of the two would be Wiggins...

Wiggins, by the way, is really free falling right now. In December he has 14 points per game, on 36% from the field, 23% from 3, and 58% from the line, plus the usual non-contribution in the other categories. He actually has only 1 assist per game this month! that's terrible even by his standards. Last three games have been especially abysmal: less than 10 points a game on less than 30% shooting from the field and 10% from 3. Small sample and all, but this is terrible. And it's not for lack of playing time. He's still been getting 36.5 minutes per game this month, although I'm not so sure why. At this point, it seems like his only luck is that he agreed (reluctantly!) to sign that 150 mil contract at the beginning of the year (the Timberwolves must already be regretting). You have to wonder if that actually took away whatever little motivation he still had to get better. Such a waste of talent...



Wiggins should ask for a trade from Minnesota. He does not fit that team anymore and Butler is basically the same player without the holes/intangibles on defense. Thibbideau didn't even play him in the 4th until there was 2 mins left (he is getting close to being kicked from the starting rotation IMO).
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread (FIBA Americas Aug 25 - Sep 3) 

Post#3836 » by RaptorsLife » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:42 pm

TooBad wrote:
Hair Canada wrote:
TooBad wrote:Greatest Night in Canadian NBA History?
Olynyk 32 pts 7 rebs 2asts 1 stl 1 blk (12-15 shooting) - Beat the Celtics, a team the Raps lost to without Irving, on his own.
Murray 30 pt 4reb 3ast 2 Stl (10-17 shooting)
Lyles 15 pts 1 reb 1 ast (5-9 shooting)
Joseph 11pts 3 reb 2 ast (5-9 shooting)
Powell 9 pts 1 reb (3-5 shooting)
Brooks 9 pts 2 reb (3-6 shooting)
Wiggins 7 pt 5 reb 2 ast 2 stl 1 blk (3-12 shooting) - what an embarrassment this guy has become (got destroyed by both Murray and Lyles tonight)
Stauskas 3pts (1/2 shooting)

Combined 116 pts!



Yes, really led by a career night from Olynyk (did you see that dunk at the end of the game?!) and by the Denver duo. I think it's also the first time that two Canadians score 30+ on the same day. Who would have thought that when this finally happens none of the two would be Wiggins...

Wiggins, by the way, is really free falling right now. In December he has 14 points per game, on 36% from the field, 23% from 3, and 58% from the line, plus the usual non-contribution in the other categories. He actually has only 1 assist per game this month! that's terrible even by his standards. Last three games have been especially abysmal: less than 10 points a game on less than 30% shooting from the field and 10% from 3. Small sample and all, but this is terrible. And it's not for lack of playing time. He's still been getting 36.5 minutes per game this month, although I'm not so sure why. At this point, it seems like his only luck is that he agreed (reluctantly!) to sign that 150 mil contract at the beginning of the year (the Timberwolves must already be regretting). You have to wonder if that actually took away whatever little motivation he still had to get better. Such a waste of talent...



Wiggins should ask for a trade from Minnesota. He does not fit that team anymore and Butler is basically the same player without the holes/intangibles on defense. Thibbideau didn't even play him in the 4th until there was 2 mins left (he is getting close to being kicked from the starting rotation IMO).

lol. Wiggins is sucking because Wiggins is not trying. that's not the wolves fault. he's just not that good. people should accept that
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread (FIBA Americas Aug 25 - Sep 3) 

Post#3837 » by Hair Canada » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:54 pm

As for a trade, you have to wonder if any team will gamble on his 150 mil contract at this point. He is young and all, but the way he has been playing and considering these huge holes in his games, which do not seem to improve with the years, I'm not sure who will want to take on that max deal. On second thought, knowing the NBA, probably someone will still gamble on him just because of his age and huge upside. After all, he did score almost 25 a game last year, although inefficiently and in a losing team.
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Post#3838 » by TooBad » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:02 pm

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TooBad wrote:
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Yes, really led by a career night from Olynyk (did you see that dunk at the end of the game?!) and by the Denver duo. I think it's also the first time that two Canadians score 30+ on the same day. Who would have thought that when this finally happens none of the two would be Wiggins...

Wiggins, by the way, is really free falling right now. In December he has 14 points per game, on 36% from the field, 23% from 3, and 58% from the line, plus the usual non-contribution in the other categories. He actually has only 1 assist per game this month! that's terrible even by his standards. Last three games have been especially abysmal: less than 10 points a game on less than 30% shooting from the field and 10% from 3. Small sample and all, but this is terrible. And it's not for lack of playing time. He's still been getting 36.5 minutes per game this month, although I'm not so sure why. At this point, it seems like his only luck is that he agreed (reluctantly!) to sign that 150 mil contract at the beginning of the year (the Timberwolves must already be regretting). You have to wonder if that actually took away whatever little motivation he still had to get better. Such a waste of talent...



Wiggins should ask for a trade from Minnesota. He does not fit that team anymore and Butler is basically the same player without the holes/intangibles on defense. Thibbideau didn't even play him in the 4th until there was 2 mins left (he is getting close to being kicked from the starting rotation IMO).

lol. Wiggins is sucking because Wiggins is not trying. that's not the wolves fault. he's just not that good. people should accept that



I do except that (I criticize him more than anyone on here). His whole career he's been like this unless he was forced to do something or someone insulted him (James or that guy who called his dad a coke head in highschool). The situation in Minnesota is awful for someone like him though because he can literally do nothing and still win games and he'll be perfectly fine about it because he's lazy. He needs to be somewhere where he'll get benched for his poor play and actually has to earn his minutes. But you're right it is entirely Wiggins fault but at the same time the only way he'll improve if he's in the right situation). I honestly don't even think he likes basketball and was just kind of forced into the career because of his build/dad (I am betting that If you put a video game controller or a basketball next to him 100% of the time he's grabbing the video game controller).
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread (FIBA Americas Aug 25 - Sep 3) 

Post#3839 » by TooBad » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:12 pm

Big Mac Biyombo wrote:
TooBad wrote:Greatest Night in Canadian NBA History?
Olynyk 32 pts 7 rebs 2asts 1 stl 1 blk (12-15 shooting) - Beat the Celtics, a team the Raps lost to without Irving, on his own.
Murray 30 pt 4reb 3ast 2 Stl (10-17 shooting)
Lyles 15 pts 1 reb 1 ast (5-9 shooting)
Joseph 11pts 3 reb 2 ast (5-9 shooting)
Powell 9 pts 1 reb (3-5 shooting)
Brooks 9 pts 2 reb (3-6 shooting)
Wiggins 7 pt 5 reb 2 ast 2 stl 1 blk (3-12 shooting) - what an embarrassment this guy has become (got destroyed by both Murray and Lyles tonight)
Stauskas 3pts (1/2 shooting)

Combined 116 pts!




I don't know if I'd say that's the greatest night in Canadian NBA history. Steve Nash won back to back MVP's and dropped 48 on the Mavs in the 2005 playoffs.


As a combined effort I am talking (Yesterday was the day you would use to brag about how far your country has come in basketball). Steve Nash is still the greatest Canadian basketball player ever (For now) and has received the greatest Award with the MVP trophy's. I would argue that the 26 pts Olynyk had in game 7 was a greater performance than the 48 pt effort Nash had in gm 4 because he was doing it in an elimination game and tookover the 4 quarter with 14 pts (the game was a 2-4 pt game with under 6 min).
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread (FIBA Americas Aug 25 - Sep 3) 

Post#3840 » by mojo13 » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:32 pm

Once again I feel the need to play devils advocate. No here knows much about what is going on with Wiggins. He is clearly in a slump but to write him off seems silly.

Wiggins is definitely a subdued and non-firey personality (that is easy to read into as lazy or doesn't care). This could be the type of personality that wouldn’t respond well to Thibs’ demanding coaching style. Perhaps he needs more positive reinforcement than tough love. Hopefully it’s just a slow burn and Jimmy's personality will eventually rub off on him. The eye test tells me his defense has much more effort than last season (I think most T-Wolves fans agree with this) so maybe there’s hope the offense will follow.

According to Darren Wolfson, Wiggins reached out to Drew Hanlan (renowned shooting coach) on his own and is flying him in to work with him. That even Wiggins recognizes something needs to change (and isn’t, you know, coasting along happy to have locked up that max contract), says something.

There is an ebb and flow to seasons and careers (see Trey Lyles, Dwight Powell) and I just think it is too early to call Wiggins a bust or even undeserving of his max contract. He was actually looking pretty good earlier in the season - certainly like he turned the corner on the defensive end. I remain tantalized by Wiggins’ physical tools on defense, especially now that he’s actually playing with some awareness on that end. But now his offense has fallen off a cliff.... if Wiggins was shooting his career avg. we would be talking about an improved player. Ya...he is hot garbage right now on offense, but it seems pretty clear he can be much better there.

I liked this quote on him "His career outcomes still range from literally the most valuable player on the court, as do-everything wings rule the NBA, to an over-valued scorer whose contract will prove an albatross to the Wolves. However, there are no more excuses for Wiggins at this point if he cannot turn it around."

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