Star Wars Episode VIII - SPOILERS

[Oscirus]

http://www.slashfilm.com/the-last-jedi-rotten-tomatoes-backlash/

There is some real scum out there. These people need to get a life.

Media needs to stop pretending that trolls are the only reason that their movie's getting low ratings on rotten tomatoes

http://www.showbiz411.com/2017/12/19/star-wars-box-office-trouble-last-jedi-first-monday-receipts-are-half-as-much-as-the-force-awakens

[NBA Fan 1234]

http://www.slashfilm.com/the-last-jedi-rotten-tomatoes-backlash/

There is some real scum out there. These people need to get a life.

What the ****?

Just to be clear, I am not saying those who dislike the movie are wrong, but as I said yesterday, when it rises to the level of these scumbags being racist, sexist, homophobic jerks, it makes you question the sanity of some of these people. As illmatic pointed out the other day, he loves the movies but not THAT much to the point of going nuts over it. These people are disgusting.

Nono, I understand. The stuff in the article, and what the alt-right thinks, is just disgusting. What I said wasn't directed at you in any way.

[shtolky]

http://www.slashfilm.com/the-last-jedi-rotten-tomatoes-backlash/

There is some real scum out there. These people need to get a life.

Media needs to stop pretending that trolls are the only reason that their movie's getting low ratings on rotten tomatoes

http://www.showbiz411.com/2017/12/19/star-wars-box-office-trouble-last-jedi-first-monday-receipts-are-half-as-much-as-the-force-awakens

From Variety, a point that last article somehow leaves out:

The tentpole has posted one of the top ten Mondays of all-time with $21.6 million domestically to lift the four-day total to $241.6 million with 31% of schoolchildren on vacation. “Star Wars: The Force Awakens” leads that Monday list with $40.1 million on its fourth day, when 77% of schoolchildren were on vacation.

And the media isn't saying the trolls are the ONLY reason, but they are out there. Hell, SW reviews were even popping up on The Shape of Water reviews because the idiot bot trolls were too stupid to realize what they were doing. The movie is going to smash records and on other sites and aggregates, not just RT, the movie is doing just fine with people.

[Oscirus]

http://www.slashfilm.com/the-last-jedi-rotten-tomatoes-backlash/

There is some real scum out there. These people need to get a life.

Media needs to stop pretending that trolls are the only reason that their movie's getting low ratings on rotten tomatoes

http://www.showbiz411.com/2017/12/19/star-wars-box-office-trouble-last-jedi-first-monday-receipts-are-half-as-much-as-the-force-awakens

From Variety, a point that last article somehow leaves out:

The tentpole has posted one of the top ten Mondays of all-time with $21.6 million domestically to lift the four-day total to $241.6 million with 31% of schoolchildren on vacation. “Star Wars: The Force Awakens” leads that Monday list with $40.1 million on its fourth day, when 77% of schoolchildren were on vacation.

And the media isn't saying the trolls are the ONLY reason, but they are out there. Hell, SW reviews were even popping up on The Shape of Water reviews because the idiot bot trolls were too stupid to realize what they were doing. The movie is going to smash records and on other sites and aggregates, not just RT, the movie is doing just fine with people.

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42 percent is till a big drop unless you're saying that kids were going to somehow make up that difference which we both know isn't true. Nobody's saying this is going to be a bomb, but let's not act like it's the success that media wants to pretend it is either.

And the media definitely knows what it's doing by releasing all these articles about trolls affecting ratings. The implication being that the only reason that there's such a huge disconnect between the rt score and the critic score is racist, sexist trolls.
See the ghostbusters playbook.

[shtolky]

Media needs to stop pretending that trolls are the only reason that their movie's getting low ratings on rotten tomatoes

http://www.showbiz411.com/2017/12/19/star-wars-box-office-trouble-last-jedi-first-monday-receipts-are-half-as-much-as-the-force-awakens

From Variety, a point that last article somehow leaves out:

The tentpole has posted one of the top ten Mondays of all-time with $21.6 million domestically to lift the four-day total to $241.6 million with 31% of schoolchildren on vacation. “Star Wars: The Force Awakens” leads that Monday list with $40.1 million on its fourth day, when 77% of schoolchildren were on vacation.

And the media isn't saying the trolls are the ONLY reason, but they are out there. Hell, SW reviews were even popping up on The Shape of Water reviews because the idiot bot trolls were too stupid to realize what they were doing. The movie is going to smash records and on other sites and aggregates, not just RT, the movie is doing just fine with people.

'

42 percent is till a big drop unless you're saying that kids were going to somehow make up that difference which we both know isn't true. Nobody's saying this is going to be a bomb, but let's not act like it's the success that media wants to pretend it is either.

And the media definitely knows what it's doing by releasing all these articles about trolls affecting ratings. The implication being that the only reason that there's such a huge disconnect between the rt score and the critic score is racist, sexist trolls.
See the ghostbusters playbook.

It's a drop, but it's still going to make a crap ton of money worldwide. And yes, the kids thing actually determines a lot of box office declines. I guarantee you'll see a smaller % decline once kids are out of school.

Oh it's going to be a huge success, and it already is. And I don't care what the media is implying, I'm just showing you facts, that it's not simply a matter of, OMG critics were paid off and the fans hate it. Not that black and white.

[SmoothLefty21]

http://www.slashfilm.com/the-last-jedi-rotten-tomatoes-backlash/

There is some real scum out there. These people need to get a life.

It's interesting because I spent more time than I care to admit going through the RT audience reviews and most of the negative ones were the more elaborate, longer posts. A few here and there mentioned SJW issues as their chief complaint but by and large that wasn't the case. The positive reviews, on the other hand, were mostly short and sweet.

I also wouldn't take some random Internet scumbag's word on this matter - who knows if he actually pulled this off or is just trying to take credit for poor reviews. Also, it's a bit counterproductive to try to doctor the reviews and then, a mere week after the movie came out, cop to it. WTF? Why would you do that? It undermines your goal.

I've spent way too much time at boards all over the net since I saw the movie and there are a ton of Star Wars fans who don't like the movie. That's the bottom line. I don't need an aggregator score. 54% is too low of a score but don't go thinking that the audience rates this as a 9/10 movie either.

[Meat]

http://www.slashfilm.com/the-last-jedi-rotten-tomatoes-backlash/

There is some real scum out there. These people need to get a life.

What the ****?

listen to this fragile ****, from this mayo is too spicy ass bitch

Watch on YouTube

[E-Balla]

Someone tell me any major game changing developments from the enslaved of TFA to the end of TLJ. Please. There are none this movie was pointless which wouldn't be a problem if half the movie wasn't trash.

The Resistance was reduced to 30 people

Does this really matter? It was already established they were on their last legs after StarKiller Base took out 4 of their major planets and strongholds. We basically went from theyre on their last legs to they're still on their last legs. Nothing meaningful changed.

Kylo Ren ascended to the level of the Supreme Leader and chose to be irredeemable.

Kylo was the big bad in TFA despite the presence of Snoke and he was irredeemable when he killed Han. Nothing changed.

See, he killed his actual father and it left him weak and he couldn't kill his mother, but he got over that and learned to kill the greatest father figure in his life. He succeeded at killing the past.

Him not killing his mother happened in this movie. TFA's Kylo Ren by the end of the movie already seemed irredeemable the second Han was killed.

Luke Skywalker ascended to martyr.

Unless I'm mistaken he was already that in TFA. I mean he was also a plot device but he was a legend that wasn't involved. Now he's a legend that can't be involved... Again the same.

His role was always to be "handing down Excalibur." He had two lines in the film that were essentially directly to the audience. "Amazing. Everything in that sentence was wrong." Which invalidated every stupid fan theory out there.

The fan theories that existed because TFA spent 20 minutes hyping up Rey's parents? Those theories? I wasn't even one of those theory people but come on TFA basically welcomed it for their viral marketing scheme. It not having a payoff was always gonna be an issue. JJ Abrams is always doing this **** too...

The old nostalgic Star Wars was closed and we are allowed to build new adventures and a new world.

Which was literally the status quo before the first movie was even made and was definitely the status quo at the end of the first movie. We still have the resistance, still have the first order, still have Rey who will continue to learn the ways of the Jedi, still have Kylo Ren who is trained in the ways of the Sith. Sounds like the same **** to me.

Princess Leia finally got to do important things.

Has nothing to do with the state of the universe.

There was a lot of gamechanging in the film.

There wasn't and you just proved it. In the big picture absolutely nothing has changed from a storytelling standpoint. Some specifics have but nothing major like Han being in carbonite, Luke losing to the big bad and slowly becoming darker, and the Empire backing the Rebels (who were coming off a big win in A New Hope) into a corner.

If someone was writing the 3rd movie of this trilogy vs writing the 2nd movie outside of 2 dead characters (one who is barely a character in Snoke and one that wasn't even in the first movie until the last shot in Luke) they'd have the same basic universe to work with.

[E-Balla]

http://www.slashfilm.com/the-last-jedi-rotten-tomatoes-backlash/

There is some real scum out there. These people need to get a life.

Media needs to stop pretending that trolls are the only reason that their movie's getting low ratings on rotten tomatoes

http://www.showbiz411.com/2017/12/19/star-wars-box-office-trouble-last-jedi-first-monday-receipts-are-half-as-much-as-the-force-awakens

Exactly those same exact trolls were out for the last movie but it was good so the good reviews outweighed it. This movie ain't so they don't.

[CalamityX12]

JJ Abrams is basically writing a sequel to his episode 7...

Ep.8 didn't help him and only complicated the next installment.

This movie served much more of an end/finale rather than a bridge or 2nd movie of a trilogy. It was closer to a standalone than a sequel IMO.

[BrunoSkull]

JJ will have to finish what he has started - it needs a miracle to repair the damage VIII had setup at this point. Would a return of McGregor as 'force ghost' of Obi-wan excite the fanbase? Or knights of ren someone mentioned, would love to have some backstory for once.

Lightsaber battle at this point with these new characters is hella boring, I was hyped when Kylo facing off w/ Luke as some would anticipate an epic battle, but it backfires with trash limited action. At this point with final battle I would say Reylo to unleash their full force potential would make things more interesting. I'm really pissed, once again seriously what the hell they gonna do with IX, what's even left to talk about?

[prophet_of_rage]

Media needs to stop pretending that trolls are the only reason that their movie's getting low ratings on rotten tomatoes

http://www.showbiz411.com/2017/12/19/star-wars-box-office-trouble-last-jedi-first-monday-receipts-are-half-as-much-as-the-force-awakens

From Variety, a point that last article somehow leaves out:

The tentpole has posted one of the top ten Mondays of all-time with $21.6 million domestically to lift the four-day total to $241.6 million with 31% of schoolchildren on vacation. “Star Wars: The Force Awakens” leads that Monday list with $40.1 million on its fourth day, when 77% of schoolchildren were on vacation.

And the media isn't saying the trolls are the ONLY reason, but they are out there. Hell, SW reviews were even popping up on The Shape of Water reviews because the idiot bot trolls were too stupid to realize what they were doing. The movie is going to smash records and on other sites and aggregates, not just RT, the movie is doing just fine with people.

'

42 percent is till a big drop unless you're saying that kids were going to somehow make up that difference which we both know isn't true. Nobody's saying this is going to be a bomb, but let's not act like it's the success that media wants to pretend it is either.

And the media definitely knows what it's doing by releasing all these articles about trolls affecting ratings. The implication being that the only reason that there's such a huge disconnect between the rt score and the critic score is racist, sexist trolls.
See the ghostbusters playbook.

Spider-Man Homecoming dropped 74 per cent in its second weekend and still legged out 400 million domestically. 42 per cent drop when kids are still in school is not bad. Those kids will see it again over the holidays.

[Spree2Houston]

http://www.slashfilm.com/the-last-jedi-rotten-tomatoes-backlash/

There is some real scum out there. These people need to get a life.

It's interesting because I spent more time than I care to admit going through the RT audience reviews and most of the negative ones were the more elaborate, longer posts. A few here and there mentioned SJW issues as their chief complaint but by and large that wasn't the case. The positive reviews, on the other hand, were mostly short and sweet.

I also wouldn't take some random Internet scumbag's word on this matter - who knows if he actually pulled this off or is just trying to take credit for poor reviews. Also, it's a bit counterproductive to try to doctor the reviews and then, a mere week after the movie came out, cop to it. WTF? Why would you do that? It undermines your goal.

I've spent way too much time at boards all over the net since I saw the movie and there are a ton of Star Wars fans who don't like the movie. That's the bottom line. I don't need an aggregator score. 54% is too low of a score but don't go thinking that the audience rates this as a 9/10 movie either.

Agreed, I saw the same thing. If anything, the positive reviews seemed more fake than the negative reviews. People are not stupid. They know Disney is doing damage control right now.

[prophet_of_rage]

Someone tell me any major game changing developments from the enslaved of TFA to the end of TLJ. Please. There are none this movie was pointless which wouldn't be a problem if half the movie wasn't trash.

The Resistance was reduced to 30 people

Does this really matter? It was already established they were on their last legs after StarKiller Base took out 4 of their major planets and strongholds. We basically went from theyre on their last legs to they're still on their last legs. Nothing meaningful changed.

Kylo Ren ascended to the level of the Supreme Leader and chose to be irredeemable.

Kylo was the big bad in TFA despite the presence of Snoke and he was irredeemable when he killed Han. Nothing changed.

See, he killed his actual father and it left him weak and he couldn't kill his mother, but he got over that and learned to kill the greatest father figure in his life. He succeeded at killing the past.

Him not killing his mother happened in this movie. TFA's Kylo Ren by the end of the movie already seemed irredeemable the second Han was killed.

Luke Skywalker ascended to martyr.

Unless I'm mistaken he was already that in TFA. I mean he was also a plot device but he was a legend that wasn't involved. Now he's a legend that can't be involved... Again the same.

His role was always to be "handing down Excalibur." He had two lines in the film that were essentially directly to the audience. "Amazing. Everything in that sentence was wrong." Which invalidated every stupid fan theory out there.

The fan theories that existed because TFA spent 20 minutes hyping up Rey's parents? Those theories? I wasn't even one of those theory people but come on TFA basically welcomed it for their viral marketing scheme. It not having a payoff was always gonna be an issue. JJ Abrams is always doing this **** too...

The old nostalgic Star Wars was closed and we are allowed to build new adventures and a new world.

Which was literally the status quo before the first movie was even made and was definitely the status quo at the end of the first movie. We still have the resistance, still have the first order, still have Rey who will continue to learn the ways of the Jedi, still have Kylo Ren who is trained in the ways of the Sith. Sounds like the same **** to me.

Princess Leia finally got to do important things.

Has nothing to do with the state of the universe.

There was a lot of gamechanging in the film.

There wasn't and you just proved it. In the big picture absolutely nothing has changed from a storytelling standpoint. Some specifics have but nothing major like Han being in carbonite, Luke losing to the big bad and slowly becoming darker, and the Empire backing the Rebels (who were coming off a big win in A New Hope) into a corner.

If someone was writing the 3rd movie of this trilogy vs writing the 2nd movie outside of 2 dead characters (one who is barely a character in Snoke and one that wasn't even in the first movie until the last shot in Luke) they'd have the same basic universe to work with.

The Resistance just destroyed the Starkiller base in the Force Awakens. So that is a major change in status. It went from the Resistance being triumphant and dealing a major blow to the First Order to the First Order taking over the board now that there was no Republic support. Even though they lost the major asset of the Starkiller base they were strong enough to wipe out what was left of the Resistance who are now without supplies, equipment and even aid. That is a major change from the Force Awakens status of the Resistance. Hell, the Resistance even lost all its top generals. That the Resistance has to start from scratch is a big gamechanger.

Kylo was the lead antagonist in the Force Awakens but he was serving under the direction of Snoke. He and Hux were on the same level in the organistion. Ren didn't command Hux nor the First Order forces. Now he does. That is a major change because it is his direction that decides which way the First Order went.

And Ren being conflicted was the central point of TFA. After killing Han, when he thought it would make him strong, led him to weakness. He was still too weak to kill his mother. Now he has killed Snoke and assumed his full mantle. He has chosen to be evil. He has chosen to wall himself off from the light. That is a major change from the TFA's run to save him from the clutches of Snoke. To paraphrase Leia "Han, bring our son back." Now she's given up on him. She knows Ben Solo is gone.

Luke being a martyr involves there being some self sacrifice. You can't be a living martyr and he was alive in TFA. He was a legend then, yes. But now he made a sacrifice to preserve the Resistance. That is a major change. There is no more Luke Skywalker. How can you say that was status quo from the last movie.

Rey's parentage did have a pay off. It said the next great hero doesn't have to be from a family we already know. Rey was Kylo's opposite side. Where he wanted to rid himself of familial connection, Rey wanted that family so badly. Rey wanted to be a Solo or a Skywalker, but in truth, she comes from nobodies and has ascended her beginnings. Ren said in the first film. So it's true then, you're just a scavenger. Rey realizing her own self worth and letting go of the past was a major part of her character development.

You're being ridiculous to say nothing has changed in the middle movie of a trilogy. Nothing like Han in carbonite? Kylo has taken over the first Order. The Resistance is 30 people with no allies. The greatest light side Jedi, Luke Skywalker, is no more. Rey has to carry on the ways of the Jedi while barely being trained. The Resistance is truly on the run and Ren is on the rise, finally having achieved more than Vader ever did. He's actually greater than Vader. He won in this movie.

[prophet_of_rage]

Someone tell me any major game changing developments from the enslaved of TFA to the end of TLJ. Please. There are none this movie was pointless which wouldn't be a problem if half the movie wasn't trash.

The Resistance was reduced to 30 people
Kylo Ren ascended to the level of the Supreme Leader and chose to be irredeemable. See, he killed his actual father and it left him weak and he couldn't kill his mother, but he got over that and learned to kill the greatest father figure in his life. He succeeded at killing the past.
Luke Skywalker ascended to martyr. His role was always to be "handing down Excalibur." He had two lines in the film that were essentially directly to the audience. "Amazing. Everything in that sentence was wrong." Which invalidated every stupid fan theory out there. And "What did you think, I was going to run out and face the first order with a laser sword?" Exactly, Skywalker was supposed to be a symbol. Not an actual guy who could face down the First Order and kill their leadership. As we saw with the Empire, they simply regrouped after their big bads were killed. Now the Resistance has to rebuild.
The old nostalgic Star Wars was closed and we are allowed to build new adventures and a new world.
Princess Leia finally got to do important things.

There was a lot of gamechanging in the film.

Amazing. Everything in that paragraph was wrong.

This isn't going to go how you think it will.

[prophet_of_rage]

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I'm right there with mark. this is why this film has been bothering more than it should.

That was very disheartening to watch. You can tell Mark is passionate and very knowledgeable about the character that is Luke Skywalker, and agrees with the die-heart Star Wars fans that it should have gone in another direction than that trash that is TLJ. He clearly paints it as not being a true Star Wars movie, and I couldn't agree with him more.

I can buy that Luke quit for the same reason Yoda did. So his argument that Jedi don't quit is deeply deeply flawed. The wisest of them all went into hermitage. Kenobi exiled himself and didn't want to come out of retirement. Luke whined about the impossibility of the Force in star wars and had to come to believe in it. I could see him losing faith considering that it was true that all the Jedi did was fail.

[SmoothLefty21]

The only thing I don't like about Kylo's character is that the First Order comes across as incompetent buffoons and it cheapens his character for me. It's hard to take them seriously between the jokes and their stupid decisions. I'm glad they finally toned down the Nazi thing but they feel so non-threatening in this movie. Kylo, who's only in the First Order because of Snoke, kills his mentor and now takes over the First Order. I don't know, it just feels so quick and cheap.

[WajaBawl]

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I'm right there with mark. this is why this film has been bothering more than it should.

That was very disheartening to watch. You can tell Mark is passionate and very knowledgeable about the character that is Luke Skywalker, and agrees with the die-heart Star Wars fans that it should have gone in another direction than that trash that is TLJ. He clearly paints it as not being a true Star Wars movie, and I couldn't agree with him more.

I can buy that Luke quit for the same reason Yoda did. So his argument that Jedi don't quit is deeply deeply flawed. The wisest of them all went into hermitage. Kenobi exiled himself and didn't want to come out of retirement. Luke whined about the impossibility of the Force in star wars and had to come to believe in it. I could see him losing faith considering that it was true that all the Jedi did was fail.

Nah bro, those situations are not comparable at all. I'm not gonna get into this one, since Ill already went in on this issue and I wouldn't write it any different, so I'm just gonna quote him on this:

It's all good. Yoda's "exile" to me is more survival than anything, Lukes was not about survival. If Yoda was the only Jedi to disappear, and others did not, then Maybe, but every Jedi In the Galaxy "vanished" .He failed to defeat Sidious and there was an imminent impending doom that he deemed he could not handle (Order 66). he choose Dagobah cause he wanted to remain undetected from Vader, Palpy, Empire etc, and that planet provided him the best chance, cause Its an outer rim planet, and The cave of Evil on dagobah helped him mask his light side presence, which he learned it would do when he visited the planet to speak with Qui Gon Jin. This is very strategic. That tells you it was about survival more than anything. He also had that vision where he SAW the Jedi being wiped out with order 66 in the cave, he knew what was to come. Kenobi was protecting luke more than anything. He did not exile himself cause he failed with Anakin. That mofo had no choice to disappear That's not Exile to me. Order 66 changes Yodas and those Jedi reasons for "running away" vs Lukes. I see Lukes Exile as the only true exile of the Movies. He left the galaxy "unprotected" when there was no one strong enough to destroy him, the others did not. They literally had no choice. Jedi have failed many times in the saga. Yoda did not stop his apprentice fall to the Darkness with Dooku...he still remained.Mace Windu "Failed" with Depa Bilaba...he did not exile himself. etc etc.

[Capn'O]

http://www.slashfilm.com/the-last-jedi-rotten-tomatoes-backlash/

There is some real scum out there. These people need to get a life.

It's interesting because I spent more time than I care to admit going through the RT audience reviews and most of the negative ones were the more elaborate, longer posts. A few here and there mentioned SJW issues as their chief complaint but by and large that wasn't the case. The positive reviews, on the other hand, were mostly short and sweet.

I also wouldn't take some random Internet scumbag's word on this matter - who knows if he actually pulled this off or is just trying to take credit for poor reviews. Also, it's a bit counterproductive to try to doctor the reviews and then, a mere week after the movie came out, cop to it. WTF? Why would you do that? It undermines your goal.

I've spent way too much time at boards all over the net since I saw the movie and there are a ton of Star Wars fans who don't like the movie. That's the bottom line. I don't need an aggregator score. 54% is too low of a score but don't go thinking that the audience rates this as a 9/10 movie either.

I would guess it is that level of exaggeration. Claiming responsibility for events they're only peripherally involved in, if that, seems to be a tactical branding approach from the Alt-right lately to augment and normalize their existence.

[Reign23]

just watched it and I'm stunned. **** amazing movie.