Star Wars Episode VIII - SPOILERS

[Fury]

No one in this thread to my knowledge has said it was bad because it wasn't Star Wars. I loved Rouge One and it was totally not Star Wars-y. We don't think it's good because its not good.

Rogue One was mad star warsy. You don’t think it’s good because it subverted a lot of Star Wars tropes and the storylines went in different directions than you wanted.

No I don't think its good because half the movie is spent focusing in the Rose-Finn plot (which was terrible and so prequely I was waiting on a kid to pop up and say "now that's giant nameless horse racing") and a slow speed rebel chase (which only happens because everyone turns stupid for a the whole movie and it makes no sense). Then on top of that the movie didn't justify it's existence by actually changing the status quo or putting our heroes/villains in a new situation. And being mad the story didn't go in a direction I wanted? If anything I'm mad this movie didn't take the story in ANY direction. I didn't have any theories or **** like that and again I'm on here all the time so you know that.

But go ahead tell me why I don't like the movie ignoring all my posts in this thread explaining it thoroughly. Like I said y'all like the movie because it subverts tropes but no other reason. Ok they subverted a ton of tropes... To what end? Just for **** and giggles? Was it at least entertaining? No? Ok...

Back to what I said in my second post in here then. The biggest trope they subverted is the trope that Star Wars movies are good.

Of course it served a purpose. More thematic development of failure, of Finn seeing a real reason to rebel, looking at the world beyond the empire and rebels, the scum bags who profit, and definitely something that they’ll touch back on in the future. You just don’t like the reasons, fine but there are reasons why it’s there.

[Fury]

Here's to hoping Disney sees this as a slap in the face and makes the RIGHT changes.

I have a feeling that there's a reason that they bought JJ abrams back. He might be boring, but at least he knows enough about the characters to make a coherent movie.

The movie is coherent just ambitious. Glad we at least got this movie over boring BUT REAL STAR WARS. Reminds me of anal wrestling fans

[IllmaticHandler]

Here's to hoping Disney sees this as a slap in the face and makes the RIGHT changes.

Disney is paying attention, they dont want to be the ones that "ruined" SW. it hurts it for the future dollars. They have to repair the damage. They are profitable now, but they can also ruin it. SW is instant money until it's not anymore. This was the INITIAL fear behind Disney buying SW, that they would ruin it. You know there was a huge uproar behind Disney buying it.


I mean you have Mark Hamill against his OWN character. I would not care about anything else.

[Fury]

Here's to hoping Disney sees this as a slap in the face and makes the RIGHT changes.

Disney is paying attention, they dont want to be the ones that "ruined" SW. it hurts it for the future dollars. They have to repair the damage. They are profitable now, but they can also ruin it. SW is instant money until it's not anymore. This was the INITIAL fear behind Disney buying SW, that they would ruin it. You know there was a huge uproar behind Disney buying it.


I mean you have Mark Hamill against his OWN character. I would not care about anything else.

There you go.

Tbh, I don’t know how you can ruin a franchise that came off two out of three bad movies

[NBA Fan 1234]

Here's to hoping Disney sees this as a slap in the face and makes the RIGHT changes.

I have a feeling that there's a reason that they bought JJ abrams back. He might be boring, but at least he knows enough about the characters to make a coherent movie.

I'm 100% good with Abrams taking it in his direction. Sure, TFA was the same as ANH, but he was resetting / setting up the universe...so at least I understand that. Plus, I loved his Star Trek movies.

All I want is for a good director to come in and make actual Star Wars movies true to the mythology.

Here's to hoping Disney sees this as a slap in the face and makes the RIGHT changes.

Disney is paying attention, they dont want to be the ones that "ruined" SW. it hurts it for the future dollars. They have to repair the damage. They are profitable now, but they can also ruin it. SW is instant money until it's not anymore. This was the INITIAL fear behind Disney buying SW, that they would ruin it. You know there was a huge uproar behind Disney buying it.


I mean you have Mark Hamill against his OWN character. I would not care about anything else.

I sure as hell was afraid of Disney getting SW rights. That Hamill video was super telling...like, he actually came out and said that.

[E-Balla]

Rogue One was mad star warsy. You don’t think it’s good because it subverted a lot of Star Wars tropes and the storylines went in different directions than you wanted.

No I don't think its good because half the movie is spent focusing in the Rose-Finn plot (which was terrible and so prequely I was waiting on a kid to pop up and say "now that's giant nameless horse racing") and a slow speed rebel chase (which only happens because everyone turns stupid for a the whole movie and it makes no sense). Then on top of that the movie didn't justify it's existence by actually changing the status quo or putting our heroes/villains in a new situation. And being mad the story didn't go in a direction I wanted? If anything I'm mad this movie didn't take the story in ANY direction. I didn't have any theories or **** like that and again I'm on here all the time so you know that.

But go ahead tell me why I don't like the movie ignoring all my posts in this thread explaining it thoroughly. Like I said y'all like the movie because it subverts tropes but no other reason. Ok they subverted a ton of tropes... To what end? Just for **** and giggles? Was it at least entertaining? No? Ok...

Back to what I said in my second post in here then. The biggest trope they subverted is the trope that Star Wars movies are good.

Of course it served a purpose. More thematic development of failure, of Finn seeing a real reason to rebel, looking at the world beyond the empire and rebels, the scum bags who profit, and definitely something that they’ll touch back on in the future. You just don’t like the reasons, fine but there are reasons why it’s there.

Development of failure? But in the end there were no consequences for their failure besides nameless people that we don't care about who make no difference dying. And that look into the people profiting justifies all of that? It actually just hit me we haven't seen the affect of war or any of the universe at all really. Outside of the First Order and Resistance nothing else seems to exist. It just seemed like a throwaway part of the movie and not a major point. Definitely not worth 30 minutes of screen time.

[IllmaticHandler]

Here's to hoping Disney sees this as a slap in the face and makes the RIGHT changes.

Disney is paying attention, they dont want to be the ones that "ruined" SW. it hurts it for the future dollars. They have to repair the damage. They are profitable now, but they can also ruin it. SW is instant money until it's not anymore. This was the INITIAL fear behind Disney buying SW, that they would ruin it. You know there was a huge uproar behind Disney buying it.


I mean you have Mark Hamill against his OWN character. I would not care about anything else.

There you go.

Tbh, I don’t know how you can ruin a franchise that came off two out of three bad movies

My dude, take your casual SW fan ass and sit down man. You were not even posting in the thread until fans said they dont like it.

[Fury]

No I don't think its good because half the movie is spent focusing in the Rose-Finn plot (which was terrible and so prequely I was waiting on a kid to pop up and say "now that's giant nameless horse racing") and a slow speed rebel chase (which only happens because everyone turns stupid for a the whole movie and it makes no sense). Then on top of that the movie didn't justify it's existence by actually changing the status quo or putting our heroes/villains in a new situation. And being mad the story didn't go in a direction I wanted? If anything I'm mad this movie didn't take the story in ANY direction. I didn't have any theories or **** like that and again I'm on here all the time so you know that.

But go ahead tell me why I don't like the movie ignoring all my posts in this thread explaining it thoroughly. Like I said y'all like the movie because it subverts tropes but no other reason. Ok they subverted a ton of tropes... To what end? Just for **** and giggles? Was it at least entertaining? No? Ok...

Back to what I said in my second post in here then. The biggest trope they subverted is the trope that Star Wars movies are good.

Of course it served a purpose. More thematic development of failure, of Finn seeing a real reason to rebel, looking at the world beyond the empire and rebels, the scum bags who profit, and definitely something that they’ll touch back on in the future. You just don’t like the reasons, fine but there are reasons why it’s there.

Development of failure? But in the end there were no consequences for their failure besides nameless people that we don't care about who make no difference dying. And that look into the people profiting justifies all of that? It actually just hit me we haven't seen the affect of war or any of the universe at all really. Outside of the First Order and Resistance nothing else seems to exist. It just seemed like a throwaway part of the movie and not a major point. Definitely not worth 30 minutes of screen time.

That’s the whole point to show it! How is that a bad thing to see something outside that?

Yes there were consequences. They lost ackbar, holdo, and numbers, I agree the Leia stuff was stupid but they’re pretty screwed other than having Rey. Sounds kinda like empire strikes back but they had Luke.

[Fury]

Disney is paying attention, they dont want to be the ones that "ruined" SW. it hurts it for the future dollars. They have to repair the damage. They are profitable now, but they can also ruin it. SW is instant money until it's not anymore. This was the INITIAL fear behind Disney buying SW, that they would ruin it. You know there was a huge uproar behind Disney buying it.


I mean you have Mark Hamill against his OWN character. I would not care about anything else.

There you go.

Tbh, I don’t know how you can ruin a franchise that came off two out of three bad movies

My dude, take your casual SW fan ass and sit down man. You were not even posting in the thread until fans said they dont like it.

Blah blah blah. Elitist BS. What does it take to be a REAL SW fan anyway

[NBA Fan 1234]

Someone who’s read at least some of the old canon books and watched the animated shows as well, IMO.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Isn’t it kind of like what is a “true Knicks fan?” Which opinion would you care more about - the fan who watches and understands the game or the fan who thinks the Knicks are fun to watch?

[Fury]

Isn’t it kind of like what is a “true Knicks fan?” Which opinion would you care more about - the fan who watches and understands the game or the fan who thinks the Knicks are fun to watch?

I’ve seen some of clone wars and I’ve seen all the movies. There’s a difference between understanding the game and watching the knicks. -also, You can understand the game and watch the Knicks from time to time. I mean, I’ve seen the movies and I understand movies I think. I don’t think the character writing was egregious at all.

[IllmaticHandler]

There you go.

Tbh, I don’t know how you can ruin a franchise that came off two out of three bad movies

My dude, take your casual SW fan ass and sit down man. You were not even posting in the thread until fans said they dont like it.

Blah blah blah. Elitist BS. What does it take to be a REAL SW fan anyway

Its not elitest . Im just repeating what you said. You said you not really a fan like that and did not find the movies "super awesome"

You not defending this movie as some hardcore fan....your point of defending, is telling fans that what issues they have with the movie is wrong, simply because YOU had no problem with it. You are in esscence making it seem your take is the only correct take. I mean look how adamant you are in responding to other about it. which to me is the craziest point. Its to the point that you are defending points when they are not even responding to you.

[Fury]

My dude, take your casual SW fan ass and sit down man. You were not even posting in the thread until fans said they dont like it.

Blah blah blah. Elitist BS. What does it take to be a REAL SW fan anyway

Its not elitest . Im just repeating what you said. You said you not really a fan like that and did not find the movies "super awesome"

You not defending this movie as some hardcore fan....your point of defending, is telling fans that what issues they have with the movie is wrong, simply because YOU had no problem with it. You are in esscence making it seem your take is the only correct take. I mean look how adamant you are in responding to other about it. which to me is the craziest point. Its to the point that you are defending points when they are not even responding to you.

Everyone here is making it seem like their take is their right take

When I see things that are blatantly false (aka there was no point to something or the writing here had no thought behind it) I respond. And some of the things can be a disagreement of character direction that’s fine but this movie did have a plan and a purpose even if someone didn’t like it

[NBA Fan 1234]

Isn’t it kind of like what is a “true Knicks fan?” Which opinion would you care more about - the fan who watches and understands the game or the fan who thinks the Knicks are fun to watch?

I’ve seen some of clone wars and I’ve seen all the movies. There’s a difference between understanding the game and watching the knicks. -also, You can understand the game and watch the Knicks from time to time. I mean, I’ve seen the movies and I understand movies I think. I don’t think the character writing was egregious at all.

Just a difference of opinion I guess with respect to the movie, which is all good.

Maybe basketball was a bad example, but wouldn't you rather talk with someone who has knowledge of the actual game and not just someone who watches for pure entertainment purposes? It's why I, and presumably you and everyone else on the board, comes here instead of some other random forum.

[Fury]

Isn’t it kind of like what is a “true Knicks fan?” Which opinion would you care more about - the fan who watches and understands the game or the fan who thinks the Knicks are fun to watch?

I’ve seen some of clone wars and I’ve seen all the movies. There’s a difference between understanding the game and watching the knicks. -also, You can understand the game and watch the Knicks from time to time. I mean, I’ve seen the movies and I understand movies I think. I don’t think the character writing was egregious at all.

Just a difference of opinion I guess with respect to the movie, which is all good.

Maybe basketball was a bad example, but wouldn't you rather talk with someone who has knowledge of the actual game and not just someone who watches for pure entertainment purposes? It's why I, and presumably you and everyone else on the board, comes here instead of some other random forum.

True. I get what you’re saying. I guess for me it’s more about what the movie was trying to do and whether it had a plan and I felt it did even if some stuff didn’t work for people. I felt the movie was pretty bloated but I liked a lot of the stuff they tried.

Plus the cast is sick. And I’ll never hate Grizzled Bitter Luke. That’s like the best character ever, even if you think he might not be 100% true to Luke!

[IllmaticHandler]

Blah blah blah. Elitist BS. What does it take to be a REAL SW fan anyway

Its not elitest . Im just repeating what you said. You said you not really a fan like that and did not find the movies "super awesome"

You not defending this movie as some hardcore fan....your point of defending, is telling fans that what issues they have with the movie is wrong, simply because YOU had no problem with it. You are in esscence making it seem your take is the only correct take. I mean look how adamant you are in responding to other about it. which to me is the craziest point. Its to the point that you are defending points when they are not even responding to you.

Everyone here is making it seem like their take is their right take

When I see things that are blatantly false (aka there was no point to something or the writing here had no thought behind it) I respond. And some of the things can be a disagreement of character direction that’s fine but this movie did have a plan and a purpose even if someone didn’t like it

that's incorrect cause I have not told ONE person who said they enjoyed the movie anything. I have yet to tell you YOU are bugging for thinking this movie was good . The only thing most us are saying is that they made a sub-par movie and they fuccked up in many ways. I mean you keep quoting me. I left you alone and you still want to debate me. I been let you have your take. You wont let me have mine.

[Fury]

Its not elitest . Im just repeating what you said. You said you not really a fan like that and did not find the movies "super awesome"

You not defending this movie as some hardcore fan....your point of defending, is telling fans that what issues they have with the movie is wrong, simply because YOU had no problem with it. You are in esscence making it seem your take is the only correct take. I mean look how adamant you are in responding to other about it. which to me is the craziest point. Its to the point that you are defending points when they are not even responding to you.

Everyone here is making it seem like their take is their right take

When I see things that are blatantly false (aka there was no point to something or the writing here had no thought behind it) I respond. And some of the things can be a disagreement of character direction that’s fine but this movie did have a plan and a purpose even if someone didn’t like it

that's incorrect cause I have not told ONE person who said they enjoyed the movie anything. I have yet to tell you YOU are bugging for thinking this movie was good . The only thing most us are saying is that they made a sub-par movie and they fuccked up in many ways. I mean you keep quoting me. I left you alone and you still want to debate me. I been let you have your take. You wont let me have mine.

Aight

[prophet_of_rage]

The Resistance and the Rebels before them have always had advanced technology and weapons at their disposal. Think they had X-wings, Y-wings, B-wings, cruisers, frigates, droids, cannons. They always had enough tech to pose a threat. They always had equal numbers to match an imperial or first order assault. Now they don't. That's what I mean by truly on the run because that hadn't happened in other movies. There were always secret rebel bases and more people. Now the entire resistance is flying in the Millennium Falcon and has to rebuild. We've never ever seen that in Star Wars

This is totally incorrect. The rebels were NEVER equals to the Empire in Tech or Numbers. Tie FIghters were actually more advanced than Xwings. Rebels had nothing that could build AT ATs/Imperial walkers etc. The rebels did not even come close to having tech that could build a death star. They also did not even come close to having the money that the empire had. The rebels were ALWAYS on the run. They could NOT stand toe to toe overall. The rebels just had a strong resolve to keep fighting. They always took the most losses confronting the Empire in the grand scheme. A few battles won here and there dont change that. You said they had SECRET bases. That proves the rebels had to HIDE from the empire. The Empire and the Rebels were not equals. They truly posed no serious threat until a new hope and they attacked the death star at the end. And if it was not for Luke using the force...they would not have done it all. so there goes that. Having a force user on they side turned everything in they favor in the three movies. Luke is the one that saved Han. Not the Rebels. They knew where he was at and did nothing, but have Leia and Chewie come

Thats what made SW. SW. it was David(rebels) beating Goliath(empire)

The Rebels had cruisers that could battle star destroyers. X-wings to fight tie fighters. Snow speeders to combat AT-ATs. Whatever the Imperials had the rebels had an analogue in every encounter.

Now they have nothing. No ships, no fighters, no supplies. Hell, they don't even have a light saber. It is now Goliath vs David with a pebble and no sling.

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[prophet_of_rage]

No one in this thread to my knowledge has said it was bad because it wasn't Star Wars. I loved Rouge One and it was totally not Star Wars-y. We don't think it's good because its not good.

Rogue One was mad star warsy. You don’t think it’s good because it subverted a lot of Star Wars tropes and the storylines went in different directions than you wanted.

No I don't think its good because half the movie is spent focusing in the Rose-Finn plot (which was terrible and so prequely I was waiting on a kid to pop up and say "now that's giant nameless horse racing") and a slow speed rebel chase (which only happens because everyone turns stupid for a the whole movie and it makes no sense). Then on top of that the movie didn't justify it's existence by actually changing the status quo or putting our heroes/villains in a new situation. And being mad the story didn't go in a direction I wanted? If anything I'm mad this movie didn't take the story in ANY direction. I didn't have any theories or **** like that and again I'm on here all the time so you know that.

But go ahead tell me why I don't like the movie ignoring all my posts in this thread explaining it thoroughly. Like I said y'all like the movie because it subverts tropes but no other reason. Ok they subverted a ton of tropes... To what end? Just for **** and giggles? Was it at least entertaining? No? Ok...

Back to what I said in my second post in here then. The biggest trope they subverted is the trope that Star Wars movies are good.

Star Wars movies aren't good. Empirr was good. Star Wars movies are events.

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