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Post#421 » by kamaze » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:23 am

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treiz wrote:^Should we not be worried? Not even a little bit? :lol:

Just find it hilarious that for some reason we're the bad guys because we're not acting like we don't give a f, and have some concerns that could impact the team heavily down the line :dontknow:


I'm sorry I didn't know it was contagious. :D If Washington didn't match that offer sheet you two would be in the looney bin now.


Why are you even posting here? you admitted yourself you dont care. so why continue to make passive aggressive comments when you wont even reply when we completely prove everything you say to be innacurate? just to be a jerk?


Please don't get on that you're a troll you should leave nonsense. You proved nothing I posted that they're 24th in salary right now and you start talking about re-signing players etc. as if that changes the numbers it doesn't.
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Re: The Official Allen Crabbe Thread 

Post#422 » by treiz » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:08 am

LKIRNets wrote:I think Russell and RHJ are staying. The only real RFA risk is Crabbe and Lin. And honestly I would have been used Lin's contract to get me something in the draft. I can't bank on his health and that money on his contract is the one thing that keeps us from retaining 2 pieces.


I fully agree with you, it's why I don't take the savings we make from Carroll or Lin into account, especially how difficult it would be to trade them should we go that route.
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Re: The Official Allen Crabbe Thread 

Post#423 » by treiz » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:11 am

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treiz wrote:^Should we not be worried? Not even a little bit? :lol:

Just find it hilarious that for some reason we're the bad guys because we're not acting like we don't give a f, and have some concerns that could impact the team heavily down the line :dontknow:


I'm sorry I didn't know it was contagious. :D If Washington didn't match that offer sheet you two would be in the looney bin now.


Well thankfully, Washington matched it otherwise you might not have heard from us and this board would've been so much cooler without us giving a damn about the future of this team ;)
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Post#424 » by brook » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:16 am

Allen Crabbe is such a bog
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Post#425 » by Prokorov » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:30 pm

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LKIRNets wrote:a bit of a better defender and rebounder. I still haven't given up on Crabbe. I think he's adjusting to new environment and role. He can't go long spurts w/o shooting, we do have to do a bit of a better job getting him in position like he was w/ that corner 3.


a bit of a better defender but still a negative one. the rebounding edge is extremely small and both get 90% of their uncontested.

the only thing Crabbe is really doing better at this juncture is shoot free throws. all the things crabbe can improve on harris can to. all the things we can do to help crabbe we can do to help harris too.

harris is basically the same guy only 18 million cheaper. it was a bad trade.

But Harris is trade bait. He's a goner by the winter.

As for Crabbe his shooting offscreen has improved. I still think it's early but that's a good sign.


like i said, crabbe can improve. so can harris. so can stauskus.

Harris wouldnt have to be a goner if we didnt ink crabbe to that insane deal
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Post#426 » by Prokorov » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:32 pm

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I'm sorry I didn't know it was contagious. :D If Washington didn't match that offer sheet you two would be in the looney bin now.


Why are you even posting here? you admitted yourself you dont care. so why continue to make passive aggressive comments when you wont even reply when we completely prove everything you say to be innacurate? just to be a jerk?


Please don't get on that you're a troll you should leave nonsense. You proved nothing I posted that they're 24th in salary right now and you start talking about re-signing players etc. as if that changes the numbers it doesn't.


I've posted an in depth breakdown of our salary cap for the next 2 seasons....

if you dont think resigning players has an effect on the salary cap then you just dont understand how the salary cap works. maybe you arent a troll, just ignorant to the issue. either way your passive agressive remarks add 0 value
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Post#427 » by kamaze » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:52 pm

Giving AC the green light isn't working out so far hopefully he'll turn it up as the season goes on.
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Post#428 » by Prokorov » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:14 pm

kamaze wrote:Giving AC the green light isn't working out so far hopefully he'll turn it up as the season goes on.


You kind of have to.... similar to last year with RHJ... asking him to handle the ball and try and score was downright ugly but it was the only way he was going to improve.

Habing crabbe be a bit of a chucker isnt the worst thing imo. we really need him to prove one way or another if he is capable of being a scorer and not just a shooter
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Post#429 » by kamaze » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:38 am

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kamaze wrote:Giving AC the green light isn't working out so far hopefully he'll turn it up as the season goes on.


You kind of have to.... similar to last year with RHJ... asking him to handle the ball and try and score was downright ugly but it was the only way he was going to improve.

Habing crabbe be a bit of a chucker isnt the worst thing imo. we really need him to prove one way or another if he is capable of being a scorer and not just a shooter


No you don't have to...
Kenny is trying to turn him into a volume shooter it hasn't worked so far.
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Re: The Official Allen Crabbe Thread 

Post#430 » by Prokorov » Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:52 pm

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kamaze wrote:Giving AC the green light isn't working out so far hopefully he'll turn it up as the season goes on.


You kind of have to.... similar to last year with RHJ... asking him to handle the ball and try and score was downright ugly but it was the only way he was going to improve.

Habing crabbe be a bit of a chucker isnt the worst thing imo. we really need him to prove one way or another if he is capable of being a scorer and not just a shooter


No you don't have to...
Kenny is trying to turn him into a volume shooter it hasn't worked so far.


you mean in 29 whole games he hasnt turned a secnd round jump shooter into a 15 ppg scorer?! oh the humanity!!
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Post#431 » by kamaze » Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:47 pm

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You kind of have to.... similar to last year with RHJ... asking him to handle the ball and try and score was downright ugly but it was the only way he was going to improve.

Habing crabbe be a bit of a chucker isnt the worst thing imo. we really need him to prove one way or another if he is capable of being a scorer and not just a shooter


No you don't have to...
Kenny is trying to turn him into a volume shooter it hasn't worked so far.


you mean in 29 whole games he hasnt turned a secnd round jump shooter into a 15 ppg scorer?! oh the humanity!!


Maybe he's trying to turn him into something he can't be there's nothing wrong with being a solid bench player. He's a good player but shooting so much makes him less efficient from watching him.
BTW after that first year it doesn't matter where the player was drafted it matters what he's doing on the court.
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Re: The Official Allen Crabbe Thread 

Post#432 » by Prokorov » Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:55 pm

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No you don't have to...
Kenny is trying to turn him into a volume shooter it hasn't worked so far.


you mean in 29 whole games he hasnt turned a secnd round jump shooter into a 15 ppg scorer?! oh the humanity!!


Maybe he's trying to turn him into something he can't be there's nothing wrong with being a solid bench player. He's a good player but shooting so much makes him less efficient from watching him.
BTW after that first year it doesn't matter where the player was drafted it matters what he's doing on the court.


the problem with him being a bench player is that he is being paid like an all-star. you cant sink 19 million into someone who is just a bench role player.

and he didnt do much on the court after being drafted.

they have to try and make him a scorer. we are on the hook for 3 years at 19 million per. if they cant make him more then they is it will really set this team back
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Post#433 » by steady » Sat Dec 23, 2017 4:17 pm

Posted this is Wizards game thread. Thought I’d post here too because I rarely go on such a long rant about a player :-)

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I like his drives to basket. I know they look ugly sometimes but he’s stronger, quicker and has better reaction time than I expected. Like Caris he is able to make good split second decisions in paint too -passing and changing direction. That surprised me

The flashes of passing ability in general have been a surprise to me

He has become a legitimately good defender, better than Harris. Better by far than Stauskas. Crabbe’s wingspan is a major asset here

Among other things, he has to develop a mid range game — and he has to improve his ball handling.

But if he can just get a solid defensive game and drives to basket, down this season — I’m happy with that. His 3 point shot needs to get more consistent but that will happen in time.

He looks awkward out there sometimes — he’s thinking more than playing sometimes — but you know LeVert was like that earlier this season too

Is the fact that he is in his fifth season, a reason to discount his ability to improve? If that was the case, Markinson would never have traded for him. Or did we expect him to be able to transform his game within two months - when he had virtually no practice time with team prior to end of preseason?

Yes Crabbe’s been in League for four seasons prior to this one but in his first year he played virtually no minutes (averaging 6.7 mpg), in his second year he was used primarily for defense (averaging 13.4 mpg). It was only in 2015 with massive overhaul of Portland’s roster that he was asked to play a bigger role, and even then he was clearly not pushed to develop beyond his 3 pt expertise

So I’m willing to be patient with him.
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Post#434 » by kamaze » Sun Dec 24, 2017 3:51 am

AC had a drive to the basket and hit a midrange pullup from the baseline. Teams run him off the line and double him when he comes off screens when Brooklyn has more weapons the defense won't key on him opening things up for him. 14 points tonight.
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Post#435 » by ChokeFasncists » Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:31 pm

The guy needs to get better to repay Marks' faith in him.

TBF, he is probably the guy who is hurt most by Lin's absence and to a lesser extent DRuss, since he's the one who would benefit most from someone driving drawing attention to have the defense collapse and kick it back out for an open three. It's like both CJ and Dame are out, he wouldn't have done so well last season. At the same time, having a vet pass first PG would get the ball to him when he comes off screen better. His assists number is still pretty low, I suppose it's taking a while for the Korver thing to sink in. Silver lining is it's a good opportunity for him to expand his game, figuring out how to be more effective on his own. Hopefully next season we could see the player that Marks envisioned him to be.

OTOH, he was doing much better in November, is he hindered by injury? As he was probably at the beginning of the season?
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Post#436 » by LKIRNets » Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:59 pm

ChokeFasncists wrote:The guy needs to get better to repay Marks' faith in him.

TBF, he is probably the guy who is hurt most by Lin's absence and to a lesser extent DRuss, since he's the one who would benefit most from someone driving drawing attention to have the defense collapse and kick it back out for an open three. It's like both CJ and Dame are out, he wouldn't have done so well last season. At the same time, having a vet pass first PG would get the ball to him when he comes off screen better. His assists number is still pretty low, I suppose it's taking a while for the Korver thing to sink in. Silver lining is it's a good opportunity for him to expand his game, figuring out how to be more effective on his own. Hopefully next season we could see the player that Marks envisioned him to be.

OTOH, he was doing much better in November, is he hindered by injury? As he was probably at the beginning of the season?


Nah. And the statistics don't give your statement any credence.

Allen Crabbe's touches :02 or less 38% from 3.

the drive and kick would result to more than 2 secs on his touch.

Allen Crabbe's touches 2-6 secs 33% from 3.

Crabbe's issue is mental.

When defenders close out on Crabbe 0 to 2 feet he shoots the 3 (42.9%)
Example:
pull up on Turner

pull shot on Sabonis

And the 4pt play against Oladipo

What you notice wit Crabbe is reaction time and rhythm is a big thing wit him. He makes shots in transition and is the type of player that needs to be used like Reggie Miller not a standstill in a corner type guy.
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Post#437 » by ChokeFasncists » Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:22 pm

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ChokeFasncists wrote:The guy needs to get better to repay Marks' faith in him.

TBF, he is probably the guy who is hurt most by Lin's absence and to a lesser extent DRuss, since he's the one who would benefit most from someone driving drawing attention to have the defense collapse and kick it back out for an open three. It's like both CJ and Dame are out, he wouldn't have done so well last season. At the same time, having a vet pass first PG would get the ball to him when he comes off screen better. His assists number is still pretty low, I suppose it's taking a while for the Korver thing to sink in. Silver lining is it's a good opportunity for him to expand his game, figuring out how to be more effective on his own. Hopefully next season we could see the player that Marks envisioned him to be.

OTOH, he was doing much better in November, is he hindered by injury? As he was probably at the beginning of the season?


Nah. And the statistics don't give your statement any credence.

Allen Crabbe's touches :02 or less 38% from 3.

the drive and kick would result to more than 2 secs on his touch.

Allen Crabbe's touches 2-6 secs 33% from 3.

Crabbe's issue is mental.

Cool, what you think is his mental problem?

What are those stats from last year? Pretty sure he did a lot of C&S last year from D&K by CJ/Dame.

Not all D&K are created equal afterall.
When defenders close out on Crabbe 0 to 2 feet he shoots the 3 (42.9%)
Example:
pull up on Turner

pull shot on Sabonis

And the 4pt play against Oladipo

What you notice wit Crabbe is reaction time and rhythm is a big thing wit him. He makes shots in transition and is the type of player that needs to be used like Reggie Miller not a standstill in a corner type guy.

Agreed, that's why I also said that having a guy who better puts the ball in his hand when he comes off of screens would help a lot.

OTOH, Reggie was money if he is open in the corner. 8-) Crab really needs to drain them.
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Post#438 » by LKIRNets » Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:30 pm

ChokeFasncists wrote:
What are those stats from last year? Pretty sure he did a lot of C&S last year from D&K by CJ/Dame.


this year.

Not all D&K are created equal afterall.

each one is based on close outs. drive and kick close outs are usually 2 seconds or more.

Agreed, that's why I also said that having a guy who better puts the ball in his hand when he comes off of screens would help a lot.


he has that in Dinwiddie. The hands is not the problem.

OTOH, Reggie was money if he is open in the corner. 8-) Crab really needs to drain them.


Yes and if you remember they ran him off C&S screens to get him going.
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Post#439 » by Aussienet3 » Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:43 pm

I know i've had my difference of opinion on here with Prok over Crabbe and Harris. But Crabbe is in the second year of his large contract. People are saying they are happy to be patient for Crabbe to develop. I was hoping 15-17 points was going to be his output. Still early but my question that i'm asking now is how long do we wait for his development? What if he explodes in his final year? How much are we going to pay him considering he has been technically overpaid the first 3 years of his contract?
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Post#440 » by ChokeFasncists » Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:44 pm

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What are those stats from last year? Pretty sure he did a lot of C&S last year from D&K by CJ/Dame.


this year.

I know, it would be interesting to compare those with stats from last year tho.
Not all D&K are created equal afterall.

each one is based on close outs. drive and kick close outs are usually 2 seconds or more.

Ya, but that's just the time, there are other things that factor into the quality of a D&K, therefore affecting the accuracy.
Agreed, that's why I also said that having a guy who better puts the ball in his hand when he comes off of screens would help a lot.


he has that in Dinwiddie. The hands is not the problem.

DVD is doing well, but having an experienced vet would most likely be even better.
OTOH, Reggie was money if he is open in the corner. 8-) Crab really needs to drain them.


Yes and if you remember they ran him off C&S screens to get him going.

Sure, so you're saying DVD is already doing that for Crab, why isn't he playing better?
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