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Game 35: Timberwolves (19-13) at Suns (12-22), Saturday, Dec 23, 7PM MST

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Re: Game 35: Timberwolves (19-13) at Suns (12-22), Saturday, Dec 23, 7PM MST 

Post#41 » by JMac1 » Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:36 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Josh Jackson has more offensive moves than I thought even if he doesn't make them effeciently yet.


It’s like people just ignore that. Left and right hand. He just can’t shoot.....damn! Let’s see what happens next year.
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Re: Game 35: Timberwolves (19-13) at Suns (12-22), Saturday, Dec 23, 7PM MST 

Post#42 » by KLEON » Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:50 am

Tough loss but I love the effort especially from the second unit. I can't wait to see Booker back playing with this team in its current form
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Re: Game 35: Timberwolves (19-13) at Suns (12-22), Saturday, Dec 23, 7PM MST 

Post#43 » by DirtyDez » Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:55 am

I'm ready for the offseason.
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Re: Game 35: Timberwolves (19-13) at Suns (12-22), Saturday, Dec 23, 7PM MST 

Post#44 » by denial » Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:55 am

I haven't been to a game a few weeks. I didn't know anything about this cannan kid and I didn't know james fell out.

Anyways, I really like what I see tonight.

I think we're gonne be good next year. Plz front office don't have a drama filled stupid summer this year. Next year can be big for us. We are playing better and better. I like what I saw tonight, I really do.
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Re: Game 35: Timberwolves (19-13) at Suns (12-22), Saturday, Dec 23, 7PM MST 

Post#45 » by denial » Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:00 am

JMac1 wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Josh Jackson has more offensive moves than I thought even if he doesn't make them effeciently yet.


It’s like people just ignore that. Left and right hand. He just can’t shoot.....damn! Let’s see what happens next year.

I like his agression and developing footwork, for sure.

But I fkin hate it when he dribbles in the open floor. I want to pull him to the side and yell at him. I dont know if he is still doing that (like I said Ive been away for several games). But if he stops doing that, I dont mind him being an offensive weapon. I think he is good in that short-mid range like 4-8 feet. And I think his confidence makes him a decent clutch shooter, no matter how ugly his shot is.
Just DONT DRIBBLE except one or two setup dribbles.
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Re: Game 35: Timberwolves (19-13) at Suns (12-22), Saturday, Dec 23, 7PM MST 

Post#46 » by denial » Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:01 am

and wow its either Christmas or the initial excitement of the season has gone because this thread is dead.
Bahumbug.
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Re: Game 35: Timberwolves (19-13) at Suns (12-22), Saturday, Dec 23, 7PM MST 

Post#47 » by denial » Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:03 am

denial wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Josh Jackson has more offensive moves than I thought even if he doesn't make them effeciently yet.


It’s like people just ignore that. Left and right hand. He just can’t shoot.....damn! Let’s see what happens next year.

I like his agression and developing footwork, for sure.

But I fkin hate it when he dribbles in the open floor...


I just saw a highlight from tonight where he dribbles from 25 feet through three defenders all the way to the rim. I don't know. I still don't like it. But like I always say, its a good shot if it goes in. So I guess it was a good choice on that play.

so maybe its just in transition that he sucks dribbling. So I will stick to that for now. When in transition if he gets the ball in the open floor he needs to pass immediately. Otherwise I will lay off the kid and see if he can be the point-guard-ish dribbler that he is always trying to be. It seems to me he is too tall and his body is such that he dribble high (or maybe its just his technique). But it seems easy to pick the ball from him. But for now I will restrict my complaints to fastbreak dribbling in the middle of the court.
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Re: Game 35: Timberwolves (19-13) at Suns (12-22), Saturday, Dec 23, 7PM MST 

Post#48 » by denial » Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:15 am

I wonder what I can get away with posting tonight since I am apparently the only one here :( so... alone...

Lets see how can I fire ya'll up?

I still think we messed up with Dragic. I thought Goran was really special. I'm serious. I think Ive heard he hasn't been great in Miami. But imo that dude is a winner.

And I think Devin is a bit of a ball hog.

And I think Lebron is WAAAAYYYY overrated. I think dude is a loser. Like, as opposed to Goran. Dragic might have 1/10th of the talent that Lebron has. But Lebron is weak. He is a sensitive emotionally weak person. Look I am not judging. I am also a sensitive emotionally weak person. I think the majority of ppl are. But ppl like Kobe, MJ, they didn't have that b*tch in them. They were assassins. Lebron is weak. He is really good at basketball but he is weak, insecure, and thin-skinned.

Oh and speaking of that, I am a suns fan and I LOVE kobe's game. I respect the crap out of him and I think he is the best basketball player I have seen in my lifetime. (I was really young when I watched MJ. I saw Kobe more as I got older and understood the game better). Kobe was a ballhog to be sure. But I don't care. I would give him the ball too. Suns fans hate hard on Kobe but its all jealousy. He was great.
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Re: Game 35: Timberwolves (19-13) at Suns (12-22), Saturday, Dec 23, 7PM MST 

Post#49 » by KLEON » Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:23 am

denial wrote:I wonder what I can get away with posting tonight since I am apparently the only one here :( so... alone...

Lets see how can I fire ya'll up?

I still think we messed up with Dragic. I thought Goran was really special. I'm serious. I think Ive heard he hasn't been great in Miami. But imo that dude is a winner.

And I think Devin is a bit of a ball hog.

And I think Lebron is WAAAAYYYY overrated. I think dude is a loser. Like, as opposed to Goran. Dragic might have 1/10th of the talent that Lebron has. But Lebron is weak. He is a sensitive emotionally weak person. Look I am not judging. I am also a sensitive emotionally weak person. I think the majority of ppl are. But ppl like Kobe, MJ, they didn't have that b*tch in them. They were assassins. Lebron is weak. He is really good at basketball but he is weak, insecure, and thin-skinned.

Oh and speaking of that, I am a suns fan and I LOVE kobe's game. I respect the crap out of him and I think he is the best basketball player I have seen in my lifetime. (I was really young when I watched MJ. I saw Kobe more as I got older and understood the game better). Kobe was a ballhog to be sure. But I don't care. I would give him the ball too. Suns fans hate hard on Kobe but its all jealousy. He was great.

Everything you said about LeBron is so true
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Re: Game 35: Timberwolves (19-13) at Suns (12-22), Saturday, Dec 23, 7PM MST 

Post#50 » by Blackification » Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:29 am

denial wrote:and wow its either Christmas or the initial excitement of the season has gone because this thread is dead.
Bahumbug.

the initial excitement was gone the first time we lost by 50, after the second in 3 games it was off to the mock drafts
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Re: Game 35: Timberwolves (19-13) at Suns (12-22), Saturday, Dec 23, 7PM MST 

Post#51 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:30 am

Watching this stretch without Booker makes me more convinced we need to acquire a ready made All-Star.

There is nothing capable of reaching that level in the next 2 seasons.
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Re: Game 35: Timberwolves (19-13) at Suns (12-22), Saturday, Dec 23, 7PM MST 

Post#52 » by darealjuice » Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:52 am

I thought Quese had a pretty decent game overall tonight. He had a few bad turnovers where he tried pulling off some dribble moves he's not quite ready for, but I don't mind him trying them if it's something he thinks he can really add to his game. I liked to see him attack the rim off the dribble though, and his floater over KAT in the second half was unexpected. He had a couple nice passes too, especially his assist to TJ. His rim protection was big in the second half though, all of his blocks were sweet.

Josh played a solid game tonight too. His handle definitely needs refining and he needs to get stronger to handle contact better, but he looks like he's starting to figure out how to attack NBA defenses. He had a couple of pretty nice passes tonight too, hopefully he can keep that up. I just want him to keep aggressive, play his game on offense, and keep working his ass off on defense. I expect him to play well post-All Star Break, and hopefully that rumored work ethic and desire to be great combined with a somewhat underwhelming rookie seasons drives him to work his ass off this offseason and make a big jump for year 2.

I liked Bender's aggressiveness compared to usual tonight, I'm just waiting for him to string together a couple games where he's aggressive and hitting shots so he builds some confidence. Defense was decent, not quite his best game because guys were hitting shots over him and he wasn't much of a rebounder.

Excited for Book to come back, they've been playing pretty well without him over the last few games and he's obviously a huge boost to that starting unit while Josh will be a good addition to the second unit over House Jr.. Wonder how the team will look after replacing James with Canaan?
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Re: Game 35: Timberwolves (19-13) at Suns (12-22), Saturday, Dec 23, 7PM MST 

Post#53 » by denial » Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:01 am

Blackification wrote:
denial wrote:and wow its either Christmas or the initial excitement of the season has gone because this thread is dead.
Bahumbug.

the initial excitement was gone the first time we lost by 50, after the second in 3 games it was off to the mock drafts


I disagree. After the coaching change there was a nice vibe around here and it was more active than I have seen in years.
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Re: Game 35: Timberwolves (19-13) at Suns (12-22), Saturday, Dec 23, 7PM MST 

Post#54 » by RunDogGun » Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:03 am

It amazes me that we were still starting Ulis and Jackson as our backcourt. We have zero solid three point shooters in the starting line up. I heard Booker will be back, but we should have started Daniels, and get him going right away. Open up the paint, and then work an inside game with Canaan and one of the bigs. We start out with only Warren as a shooter, and if he is bricking, then we seem to get nothing done.

Oh well, just watching the recording of the game right now and damn it’s a sad first half. I did like the obvious double dribble by Taj with no call.
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Re: Game 35: Timberwolves (19-13) at Suns (12-22), Saturday, Dec 23, 7PM MST 

Post#55 » by denial » Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:05 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Watching this stretch without Booker makes me more convinced we need to acquire a ready made All-Star.

There is nothing capable of reaching that level in the next 2 seasons.


I think we have several players that are potential all-stars in the next two seasons. With the right coaching and the right culture we have a lot of talent to get out of this team of first rounders.

Of course its no guarantee. But nothing even capable of reaching an all star level? I think that is overly negative to the extent it isn't realistic.
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Re: Game 35: Timberwolves (19-13) at Suns (12-22), Saturday, Dec 23, 7PM MST 

Post#56 » by denial » Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:10 am

darealjuice wrote:I thought Quese had a pretty decent game overall tonight. He had a few bad turnovers where he tried pulling off some dribble moves he's not quite ready for, but I don't mind him trying them if it's something he thinks he can really add to his game. I liked to see him attack the rim off the dribble though, and his floater over KAT in the second half was unexpected. He had a couple nice passes too, especially his assist to TJ. His rim protection was big in the second half though, all of his blocks were sweet.

Josh played a solid game tonight too. His handle definitely needs refining and he needs to get stronger to handle contact better, but he looks like he's starting to figure out how to attack NBA defenses. He had a couple of pretty nice passes tonight too, hopefully he can keep that up. I just want him to keep aggressive, play his game on offense, and keep working his ass off on defense. I expect him to play well post-All Star Break, and hopefully that rumored work ethic and desire to be great combined with a somewhat underwhelming rookie seasons drives him to work his ass off this offseason and make a big jump for year 2.

I liked Bender's aggressiveness compared to usual tonight, I'm just waiting for him to string together a couple games where he's aggressive and hitting shots so he builds some confidence. Defense was decent, not quite his best game because guys were hitting shots over him and he wasn't much of a rebounder.

Excited for Book to come back, they've been playing pretty well without him over the last few games and he's obviously a huge boost to that starting unit while Josh will be a good addition to the second unit over House Jr.. Wonder how the team will look after replacing James with Canaan?


NBA-scout-level analysis!

EDIT: oh and James was already replaced by Cannan it seems, right?
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Re: Game 35: Timberwolves (19-13) at Suns (12-22), Saturday, Dec 23, 7PM MST 

Post#57 » by RunDogGun » Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:01 am

Just finished the game, great third quarter, couldn’t buy a foul in the fourth while they got every touch foul. Ridiculous treatment on our home court. But damn, is it that tough to just set a ton of screens for Daniels?
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Re: Game 35: Timberwolves (19-13) at Suns (12-22), Saturday, Dec 23, 7PM MST 

Post#58 » by Son of Ra » Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:01 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Watching this stretch without Booker makes me more convinced we need to acquire a ready made All-Star.

There is nothing capable of reaching that level in the next 2 seasons.

All it makes me convinced of for now is that we need a starting PG. Canaan is so much better than Ulis and James but by no means a real starter. And just this minor change from GLeague talent to backup talent has had a huge impact on how we look already.
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Re: Game 35: Timberwolves (19-13) at Suns (12-22), Saturday, Dec 23, 7PM MST 

Post#59 » by Son of Ra » Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:04 am

RunDogGun wrote:It amazes me that we were still starting Ulis and Jackson as our backcourt. We have zero solid three point shooters in the starting line up. I heard Booker will be back, but we should have started Daniels, and get him going right away. Open up the paint, and then work an inside game with Canaan and one of the bigs. We start out with only Warren as a shooter, and if he is bricking, then we seem to get nothing done.

Oh well, just watching the recording of the game right now and damn it’s a sad first half. I did like the obvious double dribble by Taj with no call.

I mostly agree but I like Daniels in the second unit. I would like to see us roll with:

Canaan-Booker-Warren-Bender-Len
Ulis-Daniels-Jackson-Chriss-Chandler

for a few games.
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Re: Game 35: Timberwolves (19-13) at Suns (12-22), Saturday, Dec 23, 7PM MST 

Post#60 » by RunDogGun » Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:32 am

Son of Ra wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:It amazes me that we were still starting Ulis and Jackson as our backcourt. We have zero solid three point shooters in the starting line up. I heard Booker will be back, but we should have started Daniels, and get him going right away. Open up the paint, and then work an inside game with Canaan and one of the bigs. We start out with only Warren as a shooter, and if he is bricking, then we seem to get nothing done.

Oh well, just watching the recording of the game right now and damn it’s a sad first half. I did like the obvious double dribble by Taj with no call.

I mostly agree but I like Daniels in the second unit. I would like to see us roll with:

Canaan-Booker-Warren-Bender-Len
Ulis-Daniels-Jackson-Chriss-Chandler

for a few games.

I like that grouping. We should have had Daniels take Booker’s position while he was out. We should have had numerous screens to get him open, that way when Booker gets back, the team will already be doing what they should be doing, and getting our best player open. Booker is smart too, so if many of those keep moving, there is a good chance they get the ball after the screens.

I really dislike the handoff screen, handoff screen offense we have been doing.

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