Political Roundtable Part XVII

[montestewart]

Continued from Political Roundtable Part XVI

[Zonkerbl]

TRUMP SUXXORS

[verbal8]

Would inflation narrow the wealth gap?

[nate33]

Would inflation narrow the wealth gap?

Usually, no. The rich store their wealth in inflation-indexed investments. The poor store what little wealth they have in cash and tangible goods, and their incomes continue to be worth less as inflation increases. If anything, modest deflation would be better for the poor.

[Pointgod]

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How Trump spends his Christmas

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[cammac]

“The economic concerns that people have about wage stagnation, about income inequality, those are real and legitimate,” he said. “Economists will tell us that the vast majority of the effect on wages and jobs, over 80 percent, is due to technology. And certainly, some percentage is due to globalization, but there is a difference between globalization and trade agreements. Globalization is a fact of life. Trade agreements are how you shape globalization.”

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/20/michael-froman-tax-reform-trade-deficit-305754

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[cammac]

I quickly embraced my new identity as an academic, civil servant and researcher, even as I continued to experience the racism familiar to so many Mexican-Americans. Once, on an evening run in suburban San Diego, the low light of flickering stars above me, the headlights of cars passing by, two police officers stopped me. As I crossed the street, they jumped out of their cars, guns drawn.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2017/12/22/why-i-left-donald-trumps-america.html

[cammac]

This is interesting and has a ring of truth to it but hardly conclusive but it indicates that Donnie might have been dealing in the same body trade his Grandfather 1st made the family fortune.

Not one reporter asked him how much of his own purported fortune was made on the backs of undocumented immigrants, from his Polish demolition crews to his imported child models, and why that kind of thing was acceptable.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/6/1578544/-The-Untold-Story-of-Trump-Model-Management-A-Daily-Kos-Exclusive-Part-1

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How Trump spends his Christmas

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In my mind, this is a blatant admission of guilt by Trump.

[stilldropin20]

From the other thread:

PCBOTHWEL WROTE:

I am on the right side of the political spectrum and voted for Trump. That said, I wont go all SD20 on everyone and start trolling... yet

My question/scenario I pose to the board and some of the more liberal members is this.
We are in late summer / early fall of 2018 and the Trump tax plan is in full effect. Say what you will, but there is no doubt that many people will be in a better financial position due to lower taxes, higher stock market, higher wages/better jobs, etc...
A massive infrastructure package has been passed with at least some democratic support.
So between lower tax rates, repatriation, and infrastructure... Trillions of dollars has now poured into the economy.

How do the Dems (specifically in red states) plan to even be competitive? I mean it seriously...

PS. For arguments sake, lets call the Russia case a wash. Some cloud still lingering around Trump, but thats countered by the continued black eye on the former DOJ/FBI Clinton cheerleaders.... So lets call it a net Zero for this situation.

PC,

welcome to the right side of history! Welcome to the right side of justice! and Welcome my friend, Welcome to the real resistance!! The resistance of globalism at the expense of the american middle class. The resistance that global, cough rothschild cough, bankers have been exerting the "americas" since the day they was "discovered" by the west. And perhaps earlier (story for another day).

Now, all-too- soon after you posted this it must have scurred Montestewert...lol...who then ripped off a full 2-page retort of my posts burying your post. then closed out the thread. But alas my friend, you shall not be buried! You shall live on! and I know there are more posters in this forum who will also come out and support the resistanceat the risk all the mean spirited name calling. and place their stake in history. and become open members of the true resistance(yes, i just said that with a french accent as i typed it). In fact, my new years' predictions include that at least 1 poster per quarter will come out and join us as you have. They will see their pay checks in Feb and come to find that they have actually have more money...and slowly understand that Trump is not the liar that the MSM has made him out to be.

Is Monte scurred that i moved you. Even worse(for him and his minions) that our savior Donald Trump has moved you.

So stick around!! Post more often!! We are the original resistance. This is our movement. And yes we are on the right side of history.

As for your post, I would pose a few more questions to our liberal friends. As a quick aside, I aaaaaaam tempted to start calling all the liberals- globalists, though. But I'm not so sure that even half of them understand that the far left liberals are actually full throated, fully hard globalists. and simple math and algebra shows us that if you support the global agenda you do so at the expense of the nationalist agenda. If its good for foreign currency, and good for foreign markets, it will also be good for those foreign workers. And thusly good for those foreigners at the expense of Americans.

So i add these questions to Pcbothwell's post.

With this left wing globalist agenda in mind is it any wonder that many global markets like China did so well in the Obama years? While America suffered? While america's middle class lost their jobs and their homes?

Why are you liberals so confident that supporting globalism over Nationalism is the right move?

again, libs/globs. I will now start using these words interchangeably to describe you. Peace out! and Merry Christmas to all!!!

[Pointgod]

I quickly embraced my new identity as an academic, civil servant and researcher, even as I continued to experience the racism familiar to so many Mexican-Americans. Once, on an evening run in suburban San Diego, the low light of flickering stars above me, the headlights of cars passing by, two police officers stopped me. As I crossed the street, they jumped out of their cars, guns drawn.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2017/12/22/why-i-left-donald-trumps-america.html

The full damage that Trump has done to America and will do won't be fully realized for another couple of years. The fact that the country refuses to address it's racism is literally turning away the the hardworking and talented people. I can't see how Americans are fine with this.

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[cammac]

I quickly embraced my new identity as an academic, civil servant and researcher, even as I continued to experience the racism familiar to so many Mexican-Americans. Once, on an evening run in suburban San Diego, the low light of flickering stars above me, the headlights of cars passing by, two police officers stopped me. As I crossed the street, they jumped out of their cars, guns drawn.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2017/12/22/why-i-left-donald-trumps-america.html

The full damage that Trump has done to America and will do won't be fully realized for another couple of years. The fact that the country refuses to address it's racism is literally turning away the the hardworking and talented people. I can't see how Americans are fine with this.

Canada welcomes diversity for a number of reasons.
#1 Canada has a low birth rate and needs immigration to grow.
#2 Canada is a multicultural country not a melting pot. We realize that the 1st generation immigrant has still strong ties with the homeland. But the 2nd generation becomes Canadian 1st which is the case in my family. My wife will always be Chinese 1st but her daughter is already proudly Canadian.
#3 Canada's educational system is very capable of handling the task of dealing with immigrants that have either French or English as a second language.
#4 Canada does try to recruit the best of the crop as immigrants with our points system but we also have a large refugee immigration every year. Yes we do screen the refugees and select mostly families and very few single men except in the case of extreme identifiable prosecution. Not one refugee committed any terrorist act. The only terrorist was a white Canadian who with the help of the FBI was apprehended and killed by the police on his way to Toronto to set off a bomb.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/how-does-canada-compare-when-it-comes-to-resettling-refugees/article27979437/

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/census-2016-immigration-1.4368970

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Toronto

[Pointgod]

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2017/12/22/why-i-left-donald-trumps-america.html

The full damage that Trump has done to America and will do won't be fully realized for another couple of years. The fact that the country refuses to address it's racism is literally turning away the the hardworking and talented people. I can't see how Americans are fine with this.

Canada welcomes diversity for a number of reasons.
#1 Canada has a low birth rate and needs immigration to grow.
#2 Canada is a multicultural country not a melting pot. We realize that the 1st generation immigrant has still strong ties with the homeland. But the 2nd generation becomes Canadian 1st which is the case in my family. My wife will always be Chinese 1st but her daughter is already proudly Canadian.
#3 Canada's educational system is very capable of handling the task of dealing with immigrants that have either French or English as a second language.
#4 Canada does try to recruit the best of the crop as immigrants with our points system but we also have a large refugee immigration every year. Yes we do screen the refugees and select mostly families and very few single men except in the case of extreme identifiable prosecution. Not one refugee committed any terrorist act. The only terrorist was a white Canadian who with the help of the FBI was apprehended and killed by the police on his way to Toronto to set off a bomb.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/how-does-canada-compare-when-it-comes-to-resettling-refugees/article27979437/

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/census-2016-immigration-1.4368970

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Toronto

Oh you don't have to extol the virtues of Canada to me

[montestewart]

From the other thread:

PCBOTHWEL WROTE:

I am on the right side of the political spectrum and voted for Trump. That said, I wont go all SD20 on everyone and start trolling... yet

My question/scenario I pose to the board and some of the more liberal members is this.
We are in late summer / early fall of 2018 and the Trump tax plan is in full effect. Say what you will, but there is no doubt that many people will be in a better financial position due to lower taxes, higher stock market, higher wages/better jobs, etc...
A massive infrastructure package has been passed with at least some democratic support.
So between lower tax rates, repatriation, and infrastructure... Trillions of dollars has now poured into the economy.

How do the Dems (specifically in red states) plan to even be competitive? I mean it seriously...

PS. For arguments sake, lets call the Russia case a wash. Some cloud still lingering around Trump, but thats countered by the continued black eye on the former DOJ/FBI Clinton cheerleaders.... So lets call it a net Zero for this situation.

Spoiler:

PC,

welcome to the right side of history! Welcome to the right side of justice! and Welcome my friend, Welcome to the real resistance!! The resistance of globalism at the expense of the american middle class. The resistance that global, cough rothschild cough, bankers have been exerting the "americas" since the day they was "discovered" by the west. And perhaps earlier (story for another day).

Now, all-too- soon after you posted this it must have scurred Montestewert...lol...who then ripped off a full 2-page retort of my posts burying your post. then closed out the thread.

Spoiler:

But alas my friend, you shall not be buried! You shall live on! and I know there are more posters in this forum who will also come out and support the resistanceat the risk all the mean spirited name calling. and place their stake in history. and become open members of the true resistance(yes, i just said that with a french accent as i typed it). In fact, my new years' predictions include that at least 1 poster per quarter will come out and join us as you have. They will see their pay checks in Feb and come to find that they have actually have more money...and slowly understand that Trump is not the liar that the MSM has made him out to be.

Is Monte scurred that i moved you. Even worse(for him and his minions) that our savior Donald Trump has moved you.

So stick around!! Post more often!! We are the original resistance. This is our movement. And yes we are on the right side of history.

As for your post, I would pose a few more questions to our liberal friends. As a quick aside, I aaaaaaam tempted to start calling all the liberals- globalists, though. But I'm not so sure that even half of them understand that the far left liberals are actually full throated, fully hard globalists. and simple math and algebra shows us that if you support the global agenda you do so at the expense of the nationalist agenda. If its good for foreign currency, and good for foreign markets, it will also be good for those foreign workers. And thusly good for those foreigners at the expense of Americans.

So i add these questions to Pcbothwell's post.

With this left wing globalist agenda in mind is it any wonder that many global markets like China did so well in the Obama years? While America suffered? While america's middle class lost their jobs and their homes?

Why are you liberals so confident that supporting globalism over Nationalism is the right move?

again, libs/globs. I will now start using these words interchangeably to describe you.

Peace out! and Merry Christmas to all!!!

Yo pcbothwel, wasn't trying to bury you! Taking the mod job seriously, on page 99 (of a maximum 100 pages) upon us on Christmas Eve and knowing an STD flurry could take us to page 110 in no time, I had to get us to the next thread.

You make some good points. In many ways, the Dems have not competed very well, including overtly playing the "high road" game (which I think makes them look weak to some independents) or a guy like Trump wouldn't have had a prayer.

Keep posting here PC. With Nate hardly coming into this thread, there's really no one consistently trying to intelligently articulate the potential positives of a Trump presidency. Even if most don't agree, debate helps people clarify and articulate their own positions.

PS: What really scurs me is this recurring nightmare of having a toothache in South Chicago and...Merry Christmas STD!

[cammac]

While this can't all be blamed on Trump his administration is in the process of making it worse!
His assault on regulations on food safety, environmental concerns and healthcare will accelerate a deteriorated situation.

We lead the developed world in infant mortality.
We spend more on health care, double on a per capita basis of the OECD average, yet we have fewer doctors and hospital beds per person.
We have greater inequality than most European nations.
We rank 36 in the world on the availability of clean water and sanitation, but we are number one in incarceration.
In the OECD the US ranks 35 out of 37 in terms of poverty and inequality.
We have the highest Gini rate, which measures inequality, of all Western Countries.

While I'm a atheist the world religions do have many important social lessons and unfortunately they have been subverted by radicalism whether fundamentalist Christians, radical Orthodox Jews, Radical Muslims, Radical Buddhists and other religions.

Should Mary and Joseph have found themselves in Los Angeles in the modern era instead of Bethlehem 2,000 years ago, they may very well have wound up in jail instead of a barn

A message to so called Christians

“Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.” Then they also will answer, saying, “Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?” Then he will answer them, saying, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.' And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

This is a long read and very worth while!

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/12/24/1726250/-For-I-was-hungry-and-you-gave-me-no-food

Tomorrow my family is going to the Salvation Army to volunteer it is one of the few charities that I know that money donated gets to the people in need. Happy holidays!

[verbal8]

I think PC has some interesting points. I would be willing to imagine a scenario where Russia is about the same in 3 years, even though I think that is highly unlikely.

While the economy might get better for the 1%, I don't think any positive changes really are widespread enough to help Trump. He is tremendously unpopular with essentially full employment.

Infrastructure could be a game changer. Trump might even give it a shot, however it would take true leadership to execute. There isn't an army of lobbyists willing to write the legislation for him, he would have to make compromises with both Dems and Republicans and get involved in details that he hasn't had the patience to understand.

Another big change is he won't be running against Clinton. He won essentially because he was able to convince those who hated both to vote for him.