The Official Allen Crabbe Thread

[ChokeFasncists]

I know i've had my difference of opinion on here with Prok over Crabbe and Harris. But Crabbe is in the second year of his large contract. People are saying they are happy to be patient for Crabbe to develop. I was hoping 15-17 points was going to be his output. Still early but my question that i'm asking now is how long do we wait for his development?

He is pretty much untradeable (unless we sacrifice assets to dump him, doubt it) until he develops well. Just gotta wait.

What if he explodes in his final year? How much are we going to pay him considering he has been technically overpaid the first 3 years of his contract?

It doesn't matter, it's gotta be market price. Teams pay for potential all the times.

[Netaman]

I know i've had my difference of opinion on here with Prok over Crabbe and Harris. But Crabbe is in the second year of his large contract. People are saying they are happy to be patient for Crabbe to develop. I was hoping 15-17 points was going to be his output. Still early but my question that i'm asking now is how long do we wait for his development? What if he explodes in his final year? How much are we going to pay him considering he has been technically overpaid the first 3 years of his contract?

Unless we're taking on a bigger contract I think Crabbe is going to be here. So we will wait as long as he's here under contract, which is most likely 2.5 more seasons.

In terms of his development, I think he basically has the rest of this year and maybe training camp next year to show that he can take on a bigger role than a 12 ppg 3 & D guy off the bench. November was actually a good glimpse of what I'd call realistically optimistic, so my hope would be he builds on that and has a consistent 2nd half (29 mpg, 14.4 ppg, 42% from 3, 44% from 2). Historically he's been a better 2nd half player and he's had to deal with some injury issues so far this year.

[LKIRNets]

What are those stats from last year? Pretty sure he did a lot of C&S last year from D&K by CJ/Dame.

this year.

I know, it would be interesting to compare those with stats from last year tho.

He's having a bad year this year, due to new team and change in offensive role. In Portland he sat on a corner or went of screens. In Brooklyn he's curling after setting his screens and asked to drive the ball more. It's an adjustment.

Ya, but that's just the time, there are other things that factor into the quality of a D&K, therefore affecting the accuracy.

what drive and kick is contested 2 feet or less? think about that. Is that the drive and kick ya want?

DVD is doing well, but having an experienced vet would most likely be even better.

you do know Dinwiddie is running the offense better than Lin ever has in his NBA career right? The only difference is Lin had Brook Lopez to dump it to. Dinwiddie currently has Zeller who's ok, Acy who you don't want to dump it off too and a raw but promising Jarrett Allen.

Sure, so you're saying DVD is already doing that for Crab, why isn't he playing better?

It's his first year in a new offense. It's the rookie season for a lot of these guys. Changing habits and ****.

[shakendfries]

if you're the highest paid player on the team (or lineup) there are no excuses for mediocre production. there is nothing wrong with expecting more from Crabbe

[LKIRNets]

if you're the highest paid player on the team (or lineup) there are no excuses for mediocre production. there is nothing wrong with expecting more from Crabbe

it's also early for him. You don't just jump into another system and turn into an MVP. That's not how it go.

You need familiarity wit the system. Make this tweet next season not this season.

[ChokeFasncists]

this year.

I know, it would be interesting to compare those with stats from last year tho.

He's having a bad year this year, due to new team and change in offensive role. In Portland he sat on a corner or went of screens. In Brooklyn he's curling after setting his screens and asked to drive the ball more. It's an adjustment.

Ya, that could be one reason he's not doing as well as expected. With time and Kenny, he should do better. Supposedly the main thing he did was C&S last season, playing off of CJ/Dame and that's how he got such high efficiency.

Ya, but that's just the time, there are other things that factor into the quality of a D&K, therefore affecting the accuracy.

what drive and kick is contested 2 feet or less? think about that. Is that the drive and kick ya want?

That's not what I'm saying. I was talking more about the flow, chemistry, accuracy of the pass, stuff like that.

DVD is doing well, but having an experienced vet would most likely be even better.

you do know Dinwiddie is running the offense better than Lin ever has in his NBA career right? The only difference is Lin had Brook Lopez to dump it to. Dinwiddie currently has Zeller who's ok, Acy who you don't want to dump it off too and a raw but promising Jarrett Allen.

I suppose you're only talking about Lin in BrokeLin? It's really too bad these two years he's been ravaged by injuries. Dumping to Brook wasn't such a good thing for Lin anyways, especially for posting ups. They weren't playing very well together, maybe it was cuz there wasn't enough time to gel, the team had already been playing a certain way without Lin for so long. They were supposed to do more pick and Push, things like that. This offense isn't designed to be mainly about dumping the ball off to the big guy, so that's pretty moot, it's supposed to be a more guard/perimeter/PnR oriented offense. OTOH, I'm not aware that DVD has been playing better than the time when Lin was flourishing with the Knicks alongside Kenny? Or when he was one of the three leaders that led a really young team to the playoffs in the wild wild west? Or when he led a franchise that had never won a playoffs game to be tied at no.3 and was arguably the most important player in the team's 6 most important wins of the season, including all three in the postseason? One could only hope that he comes back healthy next season.

Sure, so you're saying DVD is already doing that for Crab, why isn't he playing better?

It's his first year in a new offense. It's the rookie season for a lot of these guys. Changing habits and ****.

Sure, it's possible, but there can't be other reasons? His injuries might have been a factor as well.

[LKIRNets]

I suppose you're only talking about Lin in BrokeLin? It's really too bad these two years he's been ravaged by injuries. Dumping to Brook wasn't such a good thing for Lin anyways, especially for posting ups. They weren't playing very well together, maybe it was cuz there wasn't enough time to gel, the team had already been playing a certain way without Lin for so long. They were supposed to do more pick and Push, things like that. This offense isn't designed to be mainly about dumping the ball off to the big guy, so that's pretty moot, it's supposed to be a more guard/perimeter/PnR oriented offense. OTOH, I'm not aware that DVD has been playing better than the time when Lin was flourishing with the Knicks alongside Kenny? Or when he was one of the three leaders that led a really young team to the playoffs in the wild wild west? Or when he led a franchise that had never won a playoffs game to be tied at no.3 and was arguably the most important player in the team's 6 most important wins of the season, including all three in the postseason? One could only hope that he comes back healthy next season.

No career. A season, not a span of 2 weeks he never replicated. And do not explain our offense to me. I know what this offense is.

In Houston he wasn't the primary ball handler and when he was he didn't protect it at a better rate than DinWiddie or shoot it at a better rate than DinWiddie from 3. Stop it. A lot of things came easier when you had James Harden and a healthy Chandler Parson aka original Kyle Kuzma.

[MrDollarBills]

I thought Crabbe played solid yesterday. He went 5-10 from the field and scored 14 points off of just one 3pointer. That is a positive sign that he's trying to score in more ways than just taking 3's. My one criticism is him missing FTs.

[LKIRNets]

I thought Crabbe played solid yesterday. He went 5-10 from the field and scored 14 points off of just one 3pointer. That is a positive sign that he's trying to score in more ways than just taking 3's. My one criticism is him missing FTs.

he even made shots off the dribble and screen. Last night I just wish he got a chance to close the game.

[MrDollarBills]

I thought Crabbe played solid yesterday. He went 5-10 from the field and scored 14 points off of just one 3pointer. That is a positive sign that he's trying to score in more ways than just taking 3's. My one criticism is him missing FTs.

he even made shots off the dribble and screen. Last night I just wish he got a chance to close the game.

Yup. I want to see him start hitting the mid range pull up if he gets ran off of the line.

[kamaze]

I thought Crabbe played solid yesterday. He went 5-10 from the field and scored 14 points off of just one 3pointer. That is a positive sign that he's trying to score in more ways than just taking 3's. My one criticism is him missing FTs.

He's mixing it up more now showed things he's been working on- attacking the closeout off the dribble and shooting midrange or taking it all the way to the rim.

Credit to him, the team and coaching staff for figuring out what they've been missing since Booker left.
From their play the last 2 games and Jarret Allen's interview in his thread the players understand that's the focus now bringing energy and attacking.

[Netaman]

Crabbe is playing hard and at worst has value as a 3 & D guy. Is his contract bloated? Yes. Every RFA offer sheet is bloated or else the current team would match every time. That's why a year later Portland had to take back a bad contract to dump him. But on the court he's having a positive impact on both ends, with the potential for a bigger positive impact offensively. Let's hope Atkinson can continue to develop him into a bigger role offensively over the 2nd half of the season.

There is a comparison set of shooters on the wing who have gotten salaries similar to his in the last couple offseasons - Gallinari, Reddick, KCP, THJ - so if he finishes the year strong and get his shooting % up in the higher volume role his contract won't be viewed as negatively, especially since he plays better D than most of those guys.

[MrDollarBills]

I thought Crabbe played solid yesterday. He went 5-10 from the field and scored 14 points off of just one 3pointer. That is a positive sign that he's trying to score in more ways than just taking 3's. My one criticism is him missing FTs.

He's mixing it up more now showed things he's been working on- attacking the closeout off the dribble and shooting midrange or taking it all the way to the rim.

Credit to him, the team and coaching staff for figuring out what they've been missing since Booker left.
From their play the last 2 games and Jarret Allen's interview in his thread the players understand that's the focus now bringing energy and attacking.

Yeah, even though we lost to Indy the change is clear. Guys are now attacking and being aggressive defensively. You can really see this team's potential with how they are playing right now. Hopefully we can give the Spurs a tough fight tomorrow.

[MrDollarBills]

Crabbe is playing hard and at worst has value as a 3 & D guy. Is his contract bloated? Yes. Every RFA offer sheet is bloated or else the current team would match every time. That's why a year later Portland had to take back a bad contract to dump him. But on the court he's having a positive impact on both ends, with the potential for a bigger positive impact offensively. Let's hope Atkinson can continue to develop him into a bigger role offensively over the 2nd half of the season.

There is a comparison set of shooters on the wing who have gotten salaries similar to his in the last couple offseasons - Gallinari, Reddick, KCP, THJ - so if he finishes the year strong and get his shooting % up in the higher volume role his contract won't be viewed as negatively, especially since he plays better D than most of those guys.

Yep. Crabbe becoming a consistent 3 and D player can be huge for us and we can either keep him at SG or shift him to SF when the time comes.

[Netaman]

Crabbe is playing hard and at worst has value as a 3 & D guy. Is his contract bloated? Yes. Every RFA offer sheet is bloated or else the current team would match every time. That's why a year later Portland had to take back a bad contract to dump him. But on the court he's having a positive impact on both ends, with the potential for a bigger positive impact offensively. Let's hope Atkinson can continue to develop him into a bigger role offensively over the 2nd half of the season.

There is a comparison set of shooters on the wing who have gotten salaries similar to his in the last couple offseasons - Gallinari, Reddick, KCP, THJ - so if he finishes the year strong and get his shooting % up in the higher volume role his contract won't be viewed as negatively, especially since he plays better D than most of those guys.

Yep. Crabbe becoming a consistent 3 and D player can be huge for us and we can either keep him at SG or shift him to SF when the time comes.

Yup. It's obviously a big if, but if he shoots better in the 2nd half (40%+ from 3) on the higher volume he's had in NOV/DEC, he's basically Kyle Korver with better D. Here's Crabbe's November vs. Korver's best season (14-15 in ATL). December isn't even terribly unfavorable - the only difference is shooting % which is extremely low (31% from 3) for him. Obviously Korver's 49% from 3 is insane, but that was an outlier even for him.

---------Crabbe Nov 18 ------- Korver 2014-15
MPG...................29 min...................32 min
PTS...................14.4 pts.................12.1 pts
3PA................6.8 attempts............6 attempts
3P%.....................42%.......................49%
FG%.....................44%.......................49%
REB....................4.5 reb..................4.1 reb
AST....................1.6 ast...................2.6 ast
TO......................1.2 to....................1.4 to

[Roy Tarpley]

From Brian Lewis's Post article:

"[Crabbe's] 2.8 drives per game are by far the lowest of Brooklyn’s perimeter players, with even jump shooters Joe Harris at 3.5 and Nik Stauskas at 4.8. For perspective, Spencer Dinwiddie averaged 11 and injured D’Angelo Russell a team-high 12.3. Basically, driving just hasn’t been part of his game."

[oldjim]

i like Crabbe , he is now a two way player, but he is too expensive...
Now i think Din is our best PG, then Crabbe and Russell need to fight for the starting SG position.
However, consider RHJ is the starter , Crabbe is better be our starting SG, according to the on/off court stats, when Russell on court , RHJ's on/off court stats is -18, but after Russell injured, RHJ improved to -0.4, that mean when the two guys play together , they team offense and defense become worse, we better separate them, they cannot play together, RHJ play with Din is far better than with DLO.

[LKIRNets]

i like Crabbe , he is now a two way player, but he is too expensive...
Now i think Din is our best PG, then Crabbe and Russell need to fight for the starting SG position.
However, consider RHJ is the starter , Crabbe is better be our starting SG, according to the on/off court stats, when Russell on court , RHJ's on/off court stats is -18, but after Russell injured, RHJ improved to -0.4, that mean when the two guys play together , they team offense and defense become worse, we better separate them, they cannot play together, RHJ play with Din is far better than with DLO.

D'Angelo Russell is the starting PG of the Brooklyn Nets. Will be when he returns. Will be after your fake ass "Nets fandom" disappears when Lin is moved in the offseason.

[MrDollarBills]

Old Jim is a troll. 99% of his posts are about discrediting D'Angelo Russell. He only started posting here once Russell was traded here. The other day, he tried to make the claim that Russell was the reason that RHJ's on/off stats early on in the season was because of D'Angelo Russell (as he did yet again in this thread). I posted this in response:

correlation does not equal causation, and also, your sole use of on/off to gauge how good someone is has been flawed from the start because I pointed out to you that RHJ's on/off stats were in the negative as well early on (despite the fact that he was playing great basketball) when you were using it to discredit Russell and that point went ignored. By solely going by on/off from October til now you could easily say that RHJ was playing badly before but now he isn't, when that is 100% false.

RHJ has also had solid individual performances at that time playing along side Russell before he got hurt. so Russell being gone really doesn't prove much, RHJ has been the most consistent player on this team since October and has continued to trend upwards.

every single post you make is an attempt to trash D'Angelo Russell. I don't understand the obsession.

Also, if Russell is the reason why RHJ's early on/off stats were negative, how come that didn't impact Demarre Carroll? His on/off differential has been + all season long if i recall correctly.

Of course, he ignored that, and yet again tries to make this sketchy claim here again today. Hollis-Jefferson played the bulk of his games with Russell in October and November and RHJ's stats are fairly identical to what they were in December (his rebounding has upticked in December). So I really would love to understand how Russell has had a negative impact on RHJ when RHJ has been playing the same high level of basketball since the first game of the season?

[LKIRNets]

Old Jim is a troll. 99% of his posts are about discrediting D'Angelo Russell. He only started posting here once Russell was traded here. The other day, he tried to make the claim that Russell was the reason that RHJ's on/off stats early on in the season was because of D'Angelo Russell (as he did yet again in this thread). I posted this in response:

correlation does not equal causation, and also, your sole use of on/off to gauge how good someone is has been flawed from the start because I pointed out to you that RHJ's on/off stats were in the negative as well early on (despite the fact that he was playing great basketball) when you were using it to discredit Russell and that point went ignored. By solely going by on/off from October til now you could easily say that RHJ was playing badly before but now he isn't, when that is 100% false.

RHJ has also had solid individual performances at that time playing along side Russell before he got hurt. so Russell being gone really doesn't prove much, RHJ has been the most consistent player on this team since October and has continued to trend upwards.

every single post you make is an attempt to trash D'Angelo Russell. I don't understand the obsession.

Also, if Russell is the reason why RHJ's early on/off stats were negative, how come that didn't impact Demarre Carroll? His on/off differential has been + all season long if i recall correctly.

Of course, he ignored that, and yet again tries to make this sketchy claim here again today. Hollis-Jefferson played the bulk of his games with Russell in October and November and RHJ's stats are fairly identical to what they were in December (his rebounding has upticked in December). So I really would love to understand how Russell has had a negative impact on RHJ when RHJ has been playing the same high level of basketball since the first game of the season?

I can spot a Lin troll a mile away. He clearly hates that DLo is becoming the franchise. One is 21 and a huge ceiling, the other is 29 and can't stay on the court. I know it's killing that dude.

Anyone that knows anything about basketball, knows that Rondae is a drive to the basket flare guy on offense. He's not a 3pt shooter, he's a face up and drive guy, that relies on 1 on 1 match ups. When DLo at the start of the season was running this offense, more times than not his SnR was Timothy Mozgov, DLo would hit his shots and then started the issues of the double that would come off that and prevent the face up pass to Rondae. Leaving RHJ wit only one type of shot, the :07 secs or less in the post shot or the ice defense to force the pass to Levert at the wing w/ a broken play or Mozgov then back to DLo for an iso.

Lin trolls can choke.