GT: Washington Wizards vs BKLYN Nets - Friday, Dec 22, 7:30pm EST

[kamaze]

That's your glass is half empty opinion, Crabbe utilizes his athleticism on defense if you watch him. He can work on his handles in the off season. Keep all 3 if it's possible, let Marks do his job this arm chair gm crap needs to stop.

He uses his athleticism so well on defense that he is a heavy negative across the board in all metrics defensively. the only thing he uses well defensively is his length to an extent.

anyone can work on their handle in the offseason. if thats the case lets pay someone 3 million to work on their handle instead of 19 million.

Keeping all 3 isnt realistic... but we already know you dont care about the cap. MArks can do his job regardless, he doesnt check in with fans on moves. and this is a nets message board, of course people are going to discuss the gms moves.

i dont really get why you are here. you just blindly follow everything and never have any input of your own

Yeah you don't want to give him credit bc of the contract lol you admit he uses length lol.

Spoiler:

He moves his feet too that takes athleticism.

And he will be a better player next year.

The difference between me and you is you think you know what the future beholds another trade can happen moving salaries but yeah yeah yeah it's not "realistic" anything is possible bruh. Are you sure he can? Does he get your approval to do so?


The same reason any fan is, why are you here? To pretend you know more than others when you're dead wrong?

I'm here to peck at your brain like a wood pecker since this is online. Care to respond?

[kamaze]

Marks dodged a bullet big time. We've played the Wizards twice now and i noticed Oubre more than Porter who is paid like an all star. that fanbase is in for a rough ride.

careful. we might end up trading for him...

trading for porter would be a GREAT thing. because it would gaurantee they take back either crabbe or mozgov and probably both

They take on AC to save some money but I don't understand why you would want him. DMC is as good as him now what would they do with Porter make him a shooting guard? I thought you were realistic? Oh the goal posts moved.

[treiz]

You’re right but hindsight is 20/20. No one knew that Harris would be this good or that we could get Stauskas as basically a throw in. Also no one knew Crabbe would struggle so much. I’m hoping he adapts to his new role as the season goes on and improves his efficiency from working with our staff for a year.

Where were you during the summer?

[TheBrooklynKidd]

You’re right but hindsight is 20/20. No one knew that Harris would be this good or that we could get Stauskas as basically a throw in. Also no one knew Crabbe would struggle so much. I’m hoping he adapts to his new role as the season goes on and improves his efficiency from working with our staff for a year.

Where were you during the summer?

Most people thought Harris had a little more than a 50/50 chance to make the final roster. No one expected Crabbes 3 pt percentage to drop by 10%.

[treiz]

Where were you during the summer?

Most people thought Harris had a little more than a 50/50 chance to make the final roster. No one expected Crabbes 3 pt percentage to drop by 10%.

None of that is true at all, yeah people were (wrongly) calling Harris a scrub, but he was always going to make the final roster. This is a team lacking talent, and who out there would've taken Harris' place?

Also, there was like less than a handful of people here who said that with increased volume, there would a decrease in efficiency. Prok was even predicting it would've been around 38-39% IIRC.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Where were you during the summer?

Most people thought Harris had a little more than a 50/50 chance to make the final roster. No one expected Crabbes 3 pt percentage to drop by 10%.

None of that is true at all, yeah people were (wrongly) calling Harris a scrub, but he was always going to make the final roster. This is a team lacking talent, and who out there would've taken Harris' place?

Also, there was like less than a handful of people here who said that with increased volume, there would a decrease in efficiency. Prok was even predicting it would've been around 38-39% IIRC.

It is true most people thought of Harris as expendable and honestly he still is.

I was one of those people who expected Crabbes efficiency to drop but I didn’t expect to see a FG% under 40 or 36% from 3.

I also think it’s fair to give Crabbe a season and an off season to get comfortable like we did with Harris. He was never really asked to play a role like this in Portland. Even in his 1st season in his new role, and rehabbing over the summer, he’s still shooting better than Harris from 3 on more attempts. Even though it isn’t by much.

Hopefully this time next year Crabbe is back up over 40% from 3 and expands his game like Harris has.

Either way it’s looking like Marks’ worst deal so far. But I bet there’s a lot of teams out there who wish their GMs worst deal was paying 12 mill a year to turn Nicholson’s corpse into Crabbe.

[kamaze]

Where were you during the summer?

Most people thought Harris had a little more than a 50/50 chance to make the final roster. No one expected Crabbes 3 pt percentage to drop by 10%.

None of that is true at all, yeah people were (wrongly) calling Harris a scrub, but he was always going to make the final roster. This is a team lacking talent, and who out there would've taken Harris' place?

Also, there was like less than a handful of people here who said that with increased volume, there would a decrease in efficiency. Prok was even predicting it would've been around 38-39% IIRC.

Knock it off he was out of the league before Brooklyn made him into what he is.

[treiz]

It is true most people thought of Harris as expendable and honestly he still is.

I was one of those people who expected Crabbes efficiency to drop but I didn’t expect to see a FG% under 40 or 36% from 3.

I also think it’s fair to give Crabbe a season and an off season to get comfortable like we did with Harris. He was never really asked to play a role like this in Portland. Even in his 1st season in his new role, and rehabbing over the summer, he’s still shooting better than Harris from 3 on more attempts. Even though it isn’t by much.

Hopefully this time next year Crabbe is back up over 40% from 3 and expands his game like Harris has.

Either way it’s looking like Marks’ worst deal so far. But I bet there’s a lot of teams out there who wish their GMs worst deal was paying 12 mill a year to turn Nicholson’s corpse into Crabbe.

My point wasn't about how good/bad Harris was, it was about the lack of overall talent that this team had. Remember this was a team that had Anthony Bennett, Luis Scola, Grevies Vasquez, Andrew Nicholson on its team last season. It wasn't a matter of how good or bad Harris was but who was he going to be replaced with, that's why he was always going to make the final roster, like I asked before, who would you have replaced him with? More unproven G-leaguers?

A 4% drop is about the norm when it comes to increased volume, especially when you take 4 more 3-pointers compared to last season. When you consider the volume increase, Crabbe is still a pretty effective 3 point shooter, but he'll never get back up to 40% unless he drastically lowers his volume again. Well I wouldn't say better than Harris, I mean he's shooting .001 better on 1 more attempt per game, so I wouldn't say that's better, not even remotely.

But he was asked to to expand his role in Portland, just ask their fans about that.

[treiz]

Most people thought Harris had a little more than a 50/50 chance to make the final roster. No one expected Crabbes 3 pt percentage to drop by 10%.

None of that is true at all, yeah people were (wrongly) calling Harris a scrub, but he was always going to make the final roster. This is a team lacking talent, and who out there would've taken Harris' place?

Also, there was like less than a handful of people here who said that with increased volume, there would a decrease in efficiency. Prok was even predicting it would've been around 38-39% IIRC.

Knock it off he was out of the league before Brooklyn made him into what he is.

So who would you have preferred over Harris to make the final roster then? Considering our roster at the start of the season, who out there would you have replaced Harris with? We are a team lacking overall talent, and Harris showed some worth last season before injuries at a cheap price, would you have just thrown him away for another G-leaguer?

Did Prok not also make those predictions during the summer?

Outtara? Doyle? Other random G-leaguer? Give me some names.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

It is true most people thought of Harris as expendable and honestly he still is.

I was one of those people who expected Crabbes efficiency to drop but I didn’t expect to see a FG% under 40 or 36% from 3.

I also think it’s fair to give Crabbe a season and an off season to get comfortable like we did with Harris. He was never really asked to play a role like this in Portland. Even in his 1st season in his new role, and rehabbing over the summer, he’s still shooting better than Harris from 3 on more attempts. Even though it isn’t by much.

Hopefully this time next year Crabbe is back up over 40% from 3 and expands his game like Harris has.

Either way it’s looking like Marks’ worst deal so far. But I bet there’s a lot of teams out there who wish their GMs worst deal was paying 12 mill a year to turn Nicholson’s corpse into Crabbe.

My point wasn't about how good/bad Harris was, it was about the lack of overall talent that this team had. Remember this was a team that had Anthony Bennett, Luis Scola, Grevies Vasquez, Andrew Nicholson on its team last season. It wasn't a matter of how good or bad Harris was but who was he going to be replaced with, that's why he was always going to make the final roster, like I asked before, who would you have replaced him with? More unproven G-leaguers?

A 4% drop is about the norm when it comes to increased volume, especially when you take 4 more 3-pointers compared to last season. When you consider the volume increase, Crabbe is still a pretty effective 3 point shooter, but he'll never get back up to 40% unless he drastically lowers his volume again. Well I wouldn't say better than Harris, I mean he's shooting .001 better on 1 more attempt per game, so I wouldn't say that's better, not even remotely.

But he was asked to to expand his role in Portland, just ask their fans about that.

Last year Harris was an unproven G-Leaguer basically all year. He really didn’t show anything. He came in this season a completely different player. I wasn’t sure who we were going to replace him with but he was definitely expendable and the team was making a lot of changes and the guard positions were already crowded. There were literally 200 players last year who were better than him and probably more, it’s really not ridiculous to suggest he would’ve been replaced.

I’m gonna have to strongly disagree on that. There’s a very good chance he gets back over 40% as he’s done it multiple times in his career. As he gets used to the system and taking the shots we’re asking him to take his percentages will go up. Hell, he could get back up to 40% this season alone. And yes he is better especially when you consider the fact that he’s taking more attempts and playing against starters not bench players.

I see him making a leap next year, just like every player on this team has with a full offseason of work with the development staff.

[kamaze]

None of that is true at all, yeah people were (wrongly) calling Harris a scrub, but he was always going to make the final roster. This is a team lacking talent, and who out there would've taken Harris' place?

Also, there was like less than a handful of people here who said that with increased volume, there would a decrease in efficiency. Prok was even predicting it would've been around 38-39% IIRC.

Knock it off he was out of the league before Brooklyn made him into what he is.

So who would you have preferred over Harris to make the final roster then? Considering our roster at the start of the season, who out there would you have replaced Harris with? We are a team lacking overall talent, and Harris showed some worth last season before injuries at a cheap price, would you have just thrown him away for another G-leaguer?

Did Prok not also make those predictions during the summer?

Outtara? Doyle? Other random G-leaguer? Give me some names.

I don't want to play the imaginary gm game please.

You say people were wrong for calling Harris a scrub but what does someone call a player that didn't make an impact on the team that drafted him, gets traded to then waived by that team and is out of the league? "You should've stayed in college another year, you blew your chance, you're a scrub."

He's become an effective player with hard work and the coach telling him to emulate Kyle Korver but before he came here he was a scrub.

[treiz]

Last year Harris was an unproven G-Leaguer basically all year. He really didn’t show anything. He came in this season a completely different player. I wasn’t sure who we were going to replace him with but he was definitely expendable and the team was making a lot of changes and the guard positions were already crowded. There were literally 200 players last year who were better than him and probably more, it’s really not ridiculous to suggest he would’ve been replaced.

I’m gonna have to strongly disagree on that. There’s a very good chance he gets back over 40% as he’s done it multiple times in his career. As he gets used to the system and taking the shots we’re asking him to take his percentages will go up. Hell, he could get back up to 40% this season alone. And yes he is better especially when you consider the fact that he’s taking more attempts and playing against starters not bench players.

I see him making a leap next year, just like every player on this team has with a full offseason of work with the development staff.

Huh? How can you say he was an unproven G-leaguer when the numbers he posted says otherwise? He showed promise last season, posting up 8/3/1 in 22 minutes and shooting .385 from 3. His promise is similar to how Dinwiddie showed promise, and Acy too before he was signed. In fact he was better than Acy last season, Harris' main problem was he couldn't get on the court, but when he did he was very promising and was definitely worth another look this season. It doesn't matter if there were 200 players better than him, what matters is how many of them were available? And how many of them would've came at Harris' price?

I'm not saying he wasn't expendable, my point was who was available to replace him with? More G-leaguers? If there was, then Marks would've made that move instead of Outtara or Wiley, he's got the eye for it, problem is at the time my guess is there wasn't anyone better than Harris. So with the G-league out of the way, who do you replace him with? There was seriously no reason to replace him considering the promise he showed to go along with how little money he was making.

But he's only shot over 40% once in his career unless you really want to count his rookie year where he took one 3 a game playing 6.7mpg. Also, he's better because he takes one more attempt?

Also, just because a player starts doesn't necessarily mean they play against starters, it's called a rotation for a reason. They both play similar minutes (24 vs. 28 minutes) and so they both play against starters and bench players at different points of the game. It's not you sub in/out 5 players at a time.

I hope you're right in terms of him making a leap for next year, I just hope it's sufficient enough that it makes his contract an easier pill to swallow.

[treiz]

I don't want to play the imaginary gm game please.

You say people were wrong for calling Harris a scrub but what does someone call a player that didn't make an impact on the team that drafted him, gets traded to then waived by that team and is out of the league? "You should've stayed in college another year, you blew your chance, you're a scrub."

He's become an effective player with hard work and the coach telling him to emulate Kyle Korver but before he came here he was a scrub.

Ok fair enough, if that's your definition so be it.

I always thought that he showed promise here and was definitely worth another look going into this season. He earned that right with his play, similar to Dinwiddie. They both got a clean slate from me and I thought both were far from scrubs. Problem with Harris specifically was that he was injured for around 30 games.

[Prokorov]

I'm sorry I hate to be that guy, but between Harris and Stauskas I really cannot justify the Crabbe acquisition. Crabbe on offense gets run off of the line so easily and when that happens he kind of gives up. I will be patient, but Marks might have made a mistake and cost us valuable cap space.

You’re right but hindsight is 20/20. No one knew that Harris would be this good or that we could get Stauskas as basically a throw in. Also no one knew Crabbe would struggle so much. I’m hoping he adapts to his new role as the season goes on and improves his efficiency from working with our staff for a year.

*AHEM* there were several here who said long ago harris was just as good/similar. and made the statistical and tangilble comparisons and trajectories.

[MrDollarBills]

You were right.

[kamaze]

We should've made a sig or avatar bet

[kamaze]

yo Prok I'm bored let's make some sort of avatar or signature bet on this subject.

[Antti22]

Prok, Harris has been slumping quite hard lately aswell. Its not like he has greatly outplayed Crabbe in any way... So I dont really understand the gloating. Crabbe has been sneaky good on defense and rebounding if you have watched the games and brings a high effort. Harris doesnt shift the defenses as much as Crabbe and thus gets much more open looks. Crabbe changes opposing defenses when he is on the floor.