Markelle Fultz Discussion III: For Fultz and going forward (see 2017 draft thread for trade discussion)

[LloydFree]

Why doesn't anyone believe he has a hurt shoulder? Check out these highlights from preseason - he's got his shoulder taped up.

I feel like he's got the potential to come in and clown people. He's got a bit of that killer instinct we need, and hopefully he's reading all these trolls and just chomping at the bit to make his mark.

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Thrilling highlight. He was already "injured" in this highlight too. The next Dwayne Wade...

Granted he didn't set the world on fire that game, but he got to the spots he wanted and did fine - after already missing a preseason game for shoulder soreness - he comes back and is solid against the Celtics. He's obviously recovering from a shoulder issue, and will be happy to prove everyone wrong when he comes back.

I feel like half of this board has forgotten the timeline of how this all went down. Or maybe it's just a vocal minority - but it's shocking the degree of denial of some of us here. It's like listening to someone demonizing the opposing political party using all of the biased catchphrases with full disregard of facts.

I guess that's what the Internet's for tho - but sheesh, it gets hard to have a rational conversation sometimes.

I've yet to see anyone show me a game, college or pro, where "he set the world on fire". People sitting here waiting for a savior are going to be in for a rude awakening when he comes back. He's not that kind of talent.

[Juannydawkins]

He doesn't need to be the next Dwayne Wade. He's more in the Sam Cassell mold anyhow, which is great for us - since Olajuwan won with Sam - and we have a center in the mold of Hakeem.

All we need is someone that can create from a broken play, off the dribble, and make shots. Someone else that can iso, or play 2 man ball with Joel during end of game situations where defenses tighten up. Let the kid grow into his career, he's young.

He's fun to watch. Will have chase down blocks. Will play pesky D. Will play relaxed and purposefully. Will make a lot of unblockable layups off the high glass. Will get inside and make midrange shots.

Watch on YouTube

[Bum Adebayo]

I think he is a very good prospect, he is more athletic than given credit, he kind of moves effortless around there, problem is, his jumpshot is the most important part of his game, his midrange jumper I mean (I believe he will be average to below average 3pt shooter) so he needs to rediscover his jumpshot.

good point on the lack of credit given to his athleticism. markelle doesnt have elite burst but he can change gears very well and ive seen videos of him dunking from the free throw line and throwing down other monstrous athletic dunks. definitely plenty athletic to get the job done. and he shot 41% even tho its college and he shot 40% and 50% from 3 in his first two summer league games. he wasnt shooting well in the 3rd one and got injured and that was pretty much the last time we seen a regular jumpshot. assuming his jumper gets back to normal, what makes you think he'll be just an average to below average 3 pt shooter? bad free throws? just curious...

I'm basing this on his college form, but when I see his form when shooting 3s I see a guy who will struggle with the added distance from college to NBA 3pt line. I see a guy who can make college 3s but has the kind of mechanics where it just becomes clearly worse with more range. To me he is more of a tough shot maker with a hand on his face than a pure shooter.

[LloydFree]

He doesn't need to be the next Dwayne Wade. He's more in the Sam Cassell mold anyhow, which is great for us - since Olajuwan won with Sam - and we have a center in the mold of Hakeem.

All we need is someone that can create from a broken play, off the dribble, and make shots. Someone else that can iso, or play 2 man ball with Joel during end of game situations where defenses tighten up. Let the kid grow into his career, he's young.

He's fun to watch. Will have chase down blocks. Will play pesky D. Will play relaxed and purposefully. Will make a lot of unblockable layups off the high glass. Will get inside and make midrange shots.

The #1 overall pick (two top 5 picks) for 'hopefully' Sam Cassell. SMH

[CoreyGallagher]

It’s odd that another top 5 pick seems to be all but given considering the actual odds of it, currently.

[nrok10307]

He doesn't need to be the next Dwayne Wade. He's more in the Sam Cassell mold anyhow, which is great for us - since Olajuwan won with Sam - and we have a center in the mold of Hakeem.

All we need is someone that can create from a broken play, off the dribble, and make shots. Someone else that can iso, or play 2 man ball with Joel during end of game situations where defenses tighten up. Let the kid grow into his career, he's young.

He's fun to watch. Will have chase down blocks. Will play pesky D. Will play relaxed and purposefully. Will make a lot of unblockable layups off the high glass. Will get inside and make midrange shots.

Watch on YouTube

Wait what??? Fultz is the number 1 pick and we gave up two high picks for him. Fultz better be sure thing and future all star.

Dont lower your expectations just because Simmons and Embiid have been good. Embiid’s health is not a sure thing and Simmons still needs to learn a jumper (never a sure thing).

I expect Fultz to be an allstar because that’s what we gave up to get him. Nevermind the scouting or college game tape. At this point its all on BC to have made the right decision. Time will tell.

[nrok10307]

He doesn't need to be the next Dwayne Wade. He's more in the Sam Cassell mold anyhow, which is great for us - since Olajuwan won with Sam - and we have a center in the mold of Hakeem.

All we need is someone that can create from a broken play, off the dribble, and make shots. Someone else that can iso, or play 2 man ball with Joel during end of game situations where defenses tighten up. Let the kid grow into his career, he's young.

He's fun to watch. Will have chase down blocks. Will play pesky D. Will play relaxed and purposefully. Will make a lot of unblockable layups off the high glass. Will get inside and make midrange shots.

The #1 overall pick (two top 5 picks) for 'hopefully' Sam Cassell. SMH

Lloyd - i dont always agreee with your evaluation of Fultz but i completely agree that we should not lower expectations of a number 1 pick that we gave up two top picks to obtain. To justify the trade, we need this pick to be a futue allstar.

We may all disagree whether Fultz is the one to achieve this, but dont lower our expectations because they should be based on what we gave up to get the #1 pick in the draft.

[Mik317]

.....Sam Casell was an allstar tho

[sixers hoops]

Thrilling highlight. He was already "injured" in this highlight too. The next Dwayne Wade...

Granted he didn't set the world on fire that game, but he got to the spots he wanted and did fine - after already missing a preseason game for shoulder soreness - he comes back and is solid against the Celtics. He's obviously recovering from a shoulder issue, and will be happy to prove everyone wrong when he comes back.

I feel like half of this board has forgotten the timeline of how this all went down. Or maybe it's just a vocal minority - but it's shocking the degree of denial of some of us here. It's like listening to someone demonizing the opposing political party using all of the biased catchphrases with full disregard of facts.

I guess that's what the Internet's for tho - but sheesh, it gets hard to have a rational conversation sometimes.

I've yet to see anyone show me a game, college or pro, where "he set the world on fire". People sitting here waiting for a savior are going to be in for a rude awakening when he comes back. He's not that kind of talent.

I thought we overpaid for him from jump; however, if he was truly the offensive piece that could perfectly complement Embiid and Simmons then I was ready to reluctantly accept it. I just hope for our sake he has that type of impact.

[LloydFree]

He doesn't need to be the next Dwayne Wade. He's more in the Sam Cassell mold anyhow, which is great for us - since Olajuwan won with Sam - and we have a center in the mold of Hakeem.

All we need is someone that can create from a broken play, off the dribble, and make shots. Someone else that can iso, or play 2 man ball with Joel during end of game situations where defenses tighten up. Let the kid grow into his career, he's young.

He's fun to watch. Will have chase down blocks. Will play pesky D. Will play relaxed and purposefully. Will make a lot of unblockable layups off the high glass. Will get inside and make midrange shots.

The #1 overall pick (two top 5 picks) for 'hopefully' Sam Cassell. SMH

Lloyd - i dont always agreee with your evaluation of Fultz but i completely agree that we should not lower expectations of a number 1 pick that we gave up two top picks to obtain. To justify the trade, we need this pick to be a futue allstar.

We may all disagree whether Fultz is the one to achieve this, but dont lower our expectations because they should be based on what we gave up to get the #1 pick in the draft.

If we wanted a Sam Cassell level player, they should have offered those picks to Portland for CJ McCollum and got on with the winning now. Instead of spending on some guy that may become Sam Cassel or CJ McCollum 4 years from now.

[Onmyway19]

I think he is a very good prospect, he is more athletic than given credit, he kind of moves effortless around there, problem is, his jumpshot is the most important part of his game, his midrange jumper I mean (I believe he will be average to below average 3pt shooter) so he needs to rediscover his jumpshot.

good point on the lack of credit given to his athleticism. markelle doesnt have elite burst but he can change gears very well and ive seen videos of him dunking from the free throw line and throwing down other monstrous athletic dunks. definitely plenty athletic to get the job done. and he shot 41% even tho its college and he shot 40% and 50% from 3 in his first two summer league games. he wasnt shooting well in the 3rd one and got injured and that was pretty much the last time we seen a regular jumpshot. assuming his jumper gets back to normal, what makes you think he'll be just an average to below average 3 pt shooter? bad free throws? just curious...

I'm basing this on his college form, but when I see his form when shooting 3s I see a guy who will struggle with the added distance from college to NBA 3pt line. I see a guy who can make college 3s but has the kind of mechanics where it just becomes clearly worse with more range. To me he is more of a tough shot maker with a hand on his face than a pure shooter.

fair enough.... so do you think he's gonna be hovering around 36-37% from 3 for his career? i mean that wouldnt be too bad but id want more from the number one pick that we traded up for because of his silky jumper

[Eyeamok]

Man this is the best new I have heard in a while when it comes to the 76ers. If Markelle Fultz becomes Sam Cassel then we can all look forward to a lot more of this. Fines be damed !!

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[Juannydawkins]

I am moreso just saying the style of his play - midrange, control, change of pace and passion. Like if you were designing a video game character, what skills and attributes would they have. To think Fultz was ever the style of Wade would be ridiculous. He's just not that fast.

But if you wanted to talk about actual skill LEVEL - Cassell was indeed an allstar and won 3 championships. Dude was clutch.

But - that said, you are right about not lowering expectations. I would love Mcollum on this team. Bill Simmons just wrote an article with a trade of Fultz and Amir for him... I would do that if I was BC and didn't like what I saw in Fultz. Just depends on what they're seeing from the inside.

But to totally dismiss Fultz from OUR perspective is foolish - or at the very least pessimistic speculation with little to no evidence.

[James40]

I am moreso just saying the style of his play - midrange, control, change of pace and passion. Like if you were designing a video game character, what skills and attributes would they have. To think Fultz was ever the style of Wade would be ridiculous. He's just not that fast.

But if you wanted to talk about actual skill LEVEL - Cassell was indeed an allstar and won 3 championships. Dude was clutch.

But - that said, you are right about not lowering expectations. I would love Mcollum on this team. Bill Simmons just wrote an article with a trade of Fultz and Amir for him... I would do that if I was BC and didn't like what I saw in Fultz. Just depends on what they're seeing from the inside.

But to totally dismiss Fultz from OUR perspective is foolish - or at the very least pessimistic speculation with little to no evidence.

Dude has a bad shoulder that’s 100% pain free and he still can’t play, or practice. Even Billy King wouldn’t trade for him right now.

Of course the ‘blazers did give Evan Turner and Crabbe 70 million each so anything’s possible with them.

[CoreyGallagher]

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26th I’m assuming.

[Bum Adebayo]

good point on the lack of credit given to his athleticism. markelle doesnt have elite burst but he can change gears very well and ive seen videos of him dunking from the free throw line and throwing down other monstrous athletic dunks. definitely plenty athletic to get the job done. and he shot 41% even tho its college and he shot 40% and 50% from 3 in his first two summer league games. he wasnt shooting well in the 3rd one and got injured and that was pretty much the last time we seen a regular jumpshot. assuming his jumper gets back to normal, what makes you think he'll be just an average to below average 3 pt shooter? bad free throws? just curious...

I'm basing this on his college form, but when I see his form when shooting 3s I see a guy who will struggle with the added distance from college to NBA 3pt line. I see a guy who can make college 3s but has the kind of mechanics where it just becomes clearly worse with more range. To me he is more of a tough shot maker with a hand on his face than a pure shooter.

fair enough.... so do you think he's gonna be hovering around 36-37% from 3 for his career? i mean that wouldnt be too bad but id want more from the number one pick that we traded up for because of his silky jumper

What I mean is that he is a shot creator in the mold of guys like wade, not great 3pt shooter but elite in the midrange, with less athletic ability but with better handles and passing. He is not a good player if you want to play him off ball, he thrives with the ball in his hands.

[Negrodamus]

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26th I’m assuming.

He’s about to begin 5 on 5 and will be re-evaluated in 3 weeks, isn’t he?

[Negrodamus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/7lzn1s/markelle_says_he_has_a_surprise_tomorrow_on_his/

If that dude plays today, I’ll lose it.

[ankle420breaker]

The last update was also supposed to be "positive."

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[Onmyway19]

https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/7lzn1s/markelle_says_he_has_a_surprise_tomorrow_on_his/

If that dude plays today, I’ll lose it.

i would too but he'll probably just release a jumper video or something which would probably still cause me to lose it(excitement)