Political Roundtable Part XVII

[Pointgod]

GTN and pointgod and wizardspride and a few other,

Why do you guys come on so damn hard? You do realize that you dont "win" people over like that right? PCbothwel is now more determined to vote for trump. I guarantee it! Which is fine by me. He is doing the right thing in supporting trump.

but the way you guys come on so hard just chases people away from discussion. Why do you guys do this. You came on so annoyingly strong at me(with absolute nonesense I might add) that i considered to stop posting many times. Wondering if this is 'worth" it. Which makes Pcbothwel correct. You guys seem to just want an echo chamber to reaffirm your own beliefs.

He's clearly been reading the thread. And he's clearly informed. Why are you so afraid of exchanging information???? That you want to drown him out??? Why not just exchange dialogue??? (and clearly you do the same thing to me but I'm hip to your clown games of disinformation) If you guys are right and on the right side of these issues the proof or truth shall be brought to light eventually, correct?

So why dont we exchange information genuinely and with open minds?

If you come into this thread you better come to play. There are a lot of sharp and knowledgeable people in this thread so spitting typical right wing talking points or propaganda instead of credible facts you will get called out on it. There’s a difference between a general exchange of ideas and blind cheer leading. If you can’t first agree on simple facts and truth then it will be hard to be taken seriously.

Pot, meet kettle.

seriously. Your set of "facts" are some of the most disillusioned set of ideas I've ever read in this thread. You are a hard line extremely far left liberal. Maybe it is you that it is hard to take seriously? just maybe?

If facts have a liberal bias for you then you're obviously on the wrong side of the argument or reality. So much for SD20 being a champion of the working man and wanting to confiscate the wealth from the rich. I'm still laughing about how facts have a Liberal bias. You need to proof read before hitting send.

[stilldropin20]

This type of thinking is why it’s difficult for you to defend your point of view. You view this as a game where you only care about what’s good for your team while people in the “liberal echo chamber” care about what helps the greater good of the country.

I’m curious to know how he’s killing it legislatively.

I make a basketball analogy because... you know... this is A BASKETBALL BOARD.
But you go full liberal with the ... "You're a heartless right wing deplorable and Im the real considerate liberal. #notmypresident #dumptrump"

legislation: The tax bill alone in the 1st year is a win. Out of immigration, SS/Medicare, Welfare, and infrastructure I think he gets 3 out of 4 done in the next two years. Probably 2 in 2018...
That said, what he has done for regulation and the overall administrative state has been great as has his appointments for Court of Appeals

Okay so you used a basketball analogy but I’ve seen the same tribal mentality from other right wing posters who only care about their team getting wins and triggering liberals. It’s interesting I’m the analogy you think Trump is way in the lead despite record disapproval ratings.

So let’s talk about legislation. You fail to acknowledge the massive legislature failure of trying to repeal Obamacare without any replacement. It was so wildly unpopular and clearly showed that Trump is no leader. So with less than a month left the Republicans rush through another widely unpopular piece of legislation without debate or non partisan process. Most of the people who voted on it didn’t even read it. They’ve also admitted as much that it was to please their donors. If you consider ramming through a wildly unpopular piece of legislation in a month a win then sure.

What specific regulations are you happy that Trump dismantled?

And what about the administrative state are you happy with?

triggering liberals??? The same liberals that have been attempting to undermine the 2016 presidential election for 15 straight months!!?? We're triggering you!!!??????? By standing up to you!!!?? by standing up to your lies and disinformation campaign, we are triggering you, huh? Interesting take.

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[stilldropin20]

If you come into this thread you better come to play. There are a lot of sharp and knowledgeable people in this thread so spitting typical right wing talking points or propaganda instead of credible facts you will get called out on it. There’s a difference between a general exchange of ideas and blind cheer leading. If you can’t first agree on simple facts and truth then it will be hard to be taken seriously.

Pot, meet kettle.

seriously. Your set of "facts" are some of the most disillusioned set of ideas I've ever read in this thread. You are a hard line extremely far left liberal. Maybe it is you that it is hard to take seriously? just maybe?

If facts have a liberal bias for you then you're obviously on the wrong side of the argument or reality. So much for SD20 being a champion of the working man and wanting to confiscate the wealth from the rich. I'm still laughing about how facts have a Liberal bias. You need to proof read before hitting send.

let me ask you one question. Take off your liberal cheer leading hat for a minute. just. one. minute.

and answer this question:

Do you want to redistribute wealth from the elite wealthy upper-upper class down to the middle and lower class?

[pcbothwel]

Guys don’t feed the troll you know better. Let the trumpites think they’ve won already and can go back to snorting meth while we take the country back in 2018 and throw trump and all his flunkies in jail where they belong. 2018 elections are going to be a bloodbath.

I love it. You are so out of touch with reality its truly entertaining. The best part is you're on a big damn island with a lot of people who really believe this. Fact is, we are at the beginning of what will be a great decade for this country and its citizens... And we'll take you kicking and screaming along the way. MAGA

[cammac]

To SD20's question
PA17 at March 13th will be a test of Trumps popularity it pits Republican Rick Sanconne who says he was Trump before Trump and Colon Lamb for the Democrats. This is a district that voted by 20% for Trump so should be a cakewalk.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/23/republicans-brace-for-competitive-pennsylvania-house-race-316206

2020 will come down to Florida, Penn., Wisconsin, South Carolina, and Ohio. I dont think trump is going to lose Florida, Ohio, and Wisconsin or south carolina. And I think he won over Penn for good as well.

even if he gives back Minnesota(unlikely) and Michigan(likely) it wont matter. He still gets 270.

No other states will change from red to blue.

Trump and R's now have about 8-9 months right now to kick but and fulfill his MAGA agenda. Immigration reform(including wall), Entitlement reform(spending). And in september/october sign the infrastructure deal (perhaps with some D votes) and they will remain in office in 2018-2020.



Assuming all that happens he can then really begin to negotiate. And by that I mean, take on costs!!. He can take on big pharma. take on corporate medicine. in 2019 and early 2020. If he succeeds in lowering costs there like he has in everything else he "took on." And I suspect he will. He may even create a surplus and pay off some debt(something I am quite certain he is dying to accomplish).

He would then have 4 years to really create waves and get radical. I'd like to see him take on the national debt. Renegotiate the entire debt. And pay it off with government notes instead of bonds and/or re-negotiate our interest rates with the federal reserve.

and then pass amendments to the constitution with 2 major goals in mind:
1. Sustainable government for all future administrations.
2. true campaign finance reform where big corporate and personal interests are finally rooted out of our body politic.

He does all that and he goes down as GOAT.

Well you are semi right the election will come down to a number of states.
I obviously have a different conclusion!
Starting alphabetically expected Democratic Gains
Arizona ...... 11 electoral votes 2020 plus likely
Florida........29 electoral votes 2020 pthan 1% demographic changes give the Democrats the lead.
Michigan.....16 Trump Won by a 1/4 of 1% won't happen again
Nebraska 2nd....1 look for Democratic pickup
Pennsylvanian.... 20 Back in Democratic fold
Wisconsin .........!0 Back in Democratic fold
87 Electoral college votes + 227 Currently held 314 Votes
The Democrats have a good chance of picking up Ohio, Iowa, North Carolina and Georgia + Maine 2

[Pointgod]

I make a basketball analogy because... you know... this is A BASKETBALL BOARD.
But you go full liberal with the ... "You're a heartless right wing deplorable and Im the real considerate liberal. #notmypresident #dumptrump"

legislation: The tax bill alone in the 1st year is a win. Out of immigration, SS/Medicare, Welfare, and infrastructure I think he gets 3 out of 4 done in the next two years. Probably 2 in 2018...
That said, what he has done for regulation and the overall administrative state has been great as has his appointments for Court of Appeals

Okay so you used a basketball analogy but I’ve seen the same tribal mentality from other right wing posters who only care about their team getting wins and triggering liberals. It’s interesting I’m the analogy you think Trump is way in the lead despite record disapproval ratings.

So let’s talk about legislation. You fail to acknowledge the massive legislature failure of trying to repeal Obamacare without any replacement. It was so wildly unpopular and clearly showed that Trump is no leader. So with less than a month left the Republicans rush through another widely unpopular piece of legislation without debate or non partisan process. Most of the people who voted on it didn’t even read it. They’ve also admitted as much that it was to please their donors. If you consider ramming through a wildly unpopular piece of legislation in a month a win then sure.

What specific regulations are you happy that Trump dismantled?

And what about the administrative state are you happy with?

triggering liberals??? The same liberals that have been attempting to undermine the 2016 presidential election for 15 straight months!!?? We're triggering you!!!??????? By standing up to you!!!?? by standing up to your lies and disinformation campaign, we are triggering you, huh? Interesting take.

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You Conservatives and Republicans have been so triggered by Obama's election that you started buying into idiotic conspiracy theories and misinformation. Jade Helm, FEMA Death camps, Birthirism, Obamacare death panels and on and on. Jesus you really believed the Federal government would take away your guns or that Obama was a Socialist Muslim You guys get triggered over Starbucks cups and people saying happy holidays.

Let's go through that list of Trump achievements.
Decimated ISIS-Isis was already losing territory under Obama and Trump claimed he'd defeat in 30 days which was a campaign FAILURE.

He signed the most unpopular pieces of legislation currently polling at 26%. This also goes against his promise to be against big corporations.

He slashed regulations that help protect the supposed working class people he cares about. Market and economy was already humming under Obama.

He's appointed embarrassingly unqualified judges to Federal courts. They wouldn't be approved if Republicans didn't control a majority.

The Muslim ban has been found unconstitutional in Federal courts by both Republican and Democratic judges. It's currently tied up in the supreme court. He also said he need 90 days to implement extreme vetting and it's been way passed 90 days without a single plan or justification of an immediate threat.

Both Bernie and Hillary wouldn't have ratified the TPP so he gets no credit. Plus it is a massive mistake. Still want renegotiated NAFTA and Mexico still hasn't paid for the wall.

Thanks for letting me articulate what an absolute failure Trump and his administration has been though. Guess this is what happens when a President spends more time golfing than his predecessors. Face it you fell for the con job, you were an easy mark. But I'm here for you when you're ready to admit you were wrong.

[Pointgod]

Guys don’t feed the troll you know better. Let the trumpites think they’ve won already and can go back to snorting meth while we take the country back in 2018 and throw trump and all his flunkies in jail where they belong. 2018 elections are going to be a bloodbath.

I love it. You are so out of touch with reality its truly entertaining. The best part is you're on a big damn island with a lot of people who really believe this. Fact is, we are at the beginning of what will be a great decade for this country and its citizens... And we'll take you kicking and screaming along the way. MAGA

So far MAGA has lost Virginia and freaking Alabama of all places

[cammac]

Guys don’t feed the troll you know better. Let the trumpites think they’ve won already and can go back to snorting meth while we take the country back in 2018 and throw trump and all his flunkies in jail where they belong. 2018 elections are going to be a bloodbath.

I love it. You are so out of touch with reality its truly entertaining. The best part is you're on a big damn island with a lot of people who really believe this. Fact is, we are at the beginning of what will be a great decade for this country and its citizens... And we'll take you kicking and screaming along the way. MAGA

Give me one credible poll that shows that Trump is popular?
Give me one credible poll that shows that the Republican Party is more popular than the Democrats?
Give me one credible poll showing popularity of Republican leadership over Democratic leadership?
Give me a poll that shows popularity of Republican Healthcare Policy?
Give me one credible poll on popularity of Republican Tax Reform?
Give me one credible poll on Trump being competent or truthful?
Give me one credible poll that has Trump ahead in any demographic group than high school or less white men.
Give me one special election where the Trump candidate over preformed?
Give me one state or municipal election where a Republican over preformed?
BS doesn't baffle brains sorry!

[pcbothwel]

Guys don’t feed the troll you know better. Let the trumpites think they’ve won already and can go back to snorting meth while we take the country back in 2018 and throw trump and all his flunkies in jail where they belong. 2018 elections are going to be a bloodbath.

I love it. You are so out of touch with reality its truly entertaining. The best part is you're on a big damn island with a lot of people who really believe this. Fact is, we are at the beginning of what will be a great decade for this country and its citizens... And we'll take you kicking and screaming along the way. MAGA

So far MAGA has lost Virginia and freaking Alabama of all places

Take whatever victory you can get.. i understand. But Alabama was going to be a landslide if not for a damn pedophile. VA is at least relative, but Trump lost VA and the mass influx of mostly liberal transplants into NOVA over the last decade is clearly why.

Again, I hope you and D's actually believe those elections are indicative of something bigger/broader. That way it makes the tears of disappointment and anger taste a little better.

[Pointgod]

Pot, meet kettle.

seriously. Your set of "facts" are some of the most disillusioned set of ideas I've ever read in this thread. You are a hard line extremely far left liberal. Maybe it is you that it is hard to take seriously? just maybe?

If facts have a liberal bias for you then you're obviously on the wrong side of the argument or reality. So much for SD20 being a champion of the working man and wanting to confiscate the wealth from the rich. I'm still laughing about how facts have a Liberal bias. You need to proof read before hitting send.

let me ask you one question. Take off your liberal cheer leading hat for a minute. just. one. minute.

and answer this question:

Do you want to redistribute wealth from the elite wealthy upper-upper class down to the middle and lower class?

The true measure of a society is how well it treats the people on the lowest levels. America cant claim to be a great society if 10% of the people control 90% of the wealth. And yes right now the wealthy and corporations could stand to pay more in taxes. The answer isn't to confiscate wealth and just give it to the middle and lower class but to create systemic structures to improve social mobility.

[pcbothwel]

Guys don’t feed the troll you know better. Let the trumpites think they’ve won already and can go back to snorting meth while we take the country back in 2018 and throw trump and all his flunkies in jail where they belong. 2018 elections are going to be a bloodbath.

I love it. You are so out of touch with reality its truly entertaining. The best part is you're on a big damn island with a lot of people who really believe this. Fact is, we are at the beginning of what will be a great decade for this country and its citizens... And we'll take you kicking and screaming along the way. MAGA

Give me one credible poll that shows that Trump is popular?
Give me one credible poll that shows that the Republican Party is more popular than the Democrats?
Give me one credible poll showing popularity of Republican leadership over Democratic leadership?
Give me a poll that shows popularity of Republican Healthcare Policy?
Give me one credible poll on popularity of Republican Tax Reform?
Give me one credible poll on Trump being competent or truthful?
Give me one credible poll that has Trump ahead in any demographic group than high school or less white men.
Give me one special election where the Trump candidate over preformed?
Give me one state or municipal election where a Republican over preformed?
BS doesn't baffle brains sorry!

Relax. It will all be over soon. Just relax and enjoy the ride... Actually, you're Canadian. So I guess you're kinda in line at the food stand while we party on the roller coaster, but still fun nonetheless.

Again, your going to see people with more money in their pockets (once withholding changes) along with people getting jobs/promotions. The Russian investigation is getting stale as the media tries to prop up some sad stack of cards.

Wait until the end of summer...

[Pointgod]

I love it. You are so out of touch with reality its truly entertaining. The best part is you're on a big damn island with a lot of people who really believe this. Fact is, we are at the beginning of what will be a great decade for this country and its citizens... And we'll take you kicking and screaming along the way. MAGA

So far MAGA has lost Virginia and freaking Alabama of all places

Take whatever victory you can get.. i understand. But Alabama was going to be a landslide if not for a damn pedophile. VA is at least relative, but Trump lost VA and the mass influx of mostly liberal transplants into NOVA over the last decade is clearly why.

Again, I hope you and D's actually believe those elections are indicative of something bigger/broader. That way it makes the tears of disappointment and anger taste a little better.

Who do you think supported that pedophile and who campaigned for that pedophile. Roy Moore was Steve Bannon' s candidate and backed by Trump. Do you actually think that the Republican primary challengers are actually going to improve? Bannon, Trump and the Republican party backed a deplorable piece of trash that was woefully unqualified before the pedophile accusations came out. Yet the stink of Roy Moore will be attached to every Republican reelection campaign and the primary challengers will be just as bad if not worse. Everyone knows that Democrats problem is always voter turnout and Republicans are giving them inspiration to come out in droves.

[cammac]

I love it. You are so out of touch with reality its truly entertaining. The best part is you're on a big damn island with a lot of people who really believe this. Fact is, we are at the beginning of what will be a great decade for this country and its citizens... And we'll take you kicking and screaming along the way. MAGA

Give me one credible poll that shows that Trump is popular?
Give me one credible poll that shows that the Republican Party is more popular than the Democrats?
Give me one credible poll showing popularity of Republican leadership over Democratic leadership?
Give me a poll that shows popularity of Republican Healthcare Policy?
Give me one credible poll on popularity of Republican Tax Reform?
Give me one credible poll on Trump being competent or truthful?
Give me one credible poll that has Trump ahead in any demographic group than high school or less white men.
Give me one special election where the Trump candidate over preformed?
Give me one state or municipal election where a Republican over preformed?
BS doesn't baffle brains sorry!

Relax. It will all be over soon. Just relax and enjoy the ride... Actually, you're Canadian. So I guess you're kinda in line at the food stand while we party on the roller coaster, but still fun nonetheless.

Again, your going to see people with more money in their pockets (once withholding changes) along with people getting jobs/promotions. The Russian investigation is getting stale as the media tries to prop up some sad stack of cards.

Wait until the end of summer...

My friend the Canadian middle class is a much higher % than the USA middle class and richer.
Yes if you only had the benefits of universal healthcare utilizing only 10.7% of of your GDP.
That Canadians have a better educational system and better social benefits than American at significantly lower costs.
We have a multicultural society that works that 50% of our cabinet ministers are women and a significant amount are visible minorities.
really jealous

[stilldropin20]

To SD20's question
PA17 at March 13th will be a test of Trumps popularity it pits Republican Rick Sanconne who says he was Trump before Trump and Colon Lamb for the Democrats. This is a district that voted by 20% for Trump so should be a cakewalk.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/23/republicans-brace-for-competitive-pennsylvania-house-race-316206

2020 will come down to Florida, Penn., Wisconsin, South Carolina, and Ohio. I dont think trump is going to lose Florida, Ohio, and Wisconsin or south carolina. And I think he won over Penn for good as well.

even if he gives back Minnesota(unlikely) and Michigan(likely) it wont matter. He still gets 270.

No other states will change from red to blue.

Trump and R's now have about 8-9 months right now to kick but and fulfill his MAGA agenda. Immigration reform(including wall), Entitlement reform(spending). And in september/october sign the infrastructure deal (perhaps with some D votes) and they will remain in office in 2018-2020.



Assuming all that happens he can then really begin to negotiate. And by that I mean, take on costs!!. He can take on big pharma. take on corporate medicine. in 2019 and early 2020. If he succeeds in lowering costs there like he has in everything else he "took on." And I suspect he will. He may even create a surplus and pay off some debt(something I am quite certain he is dying to accomplish).

He would then have 4 years to really create waves and get radical. I'd like to see him take on the national debt. Renegotiate the entire debt. And pay it off with government notes instead of bonds and/or re-negotiate our interest rates with the federal reserve.

and then pass amendments to the constitution with 2 major goals in mind:
1. Sustainable government for all future administrations.
2. true campaign finance reform where big corporate and personal interests are finally rooted out of our body politic.

He does all that and he goes down as GOAT.

Well you are semi right the election will come down to a number of states.
I obviously have a different conclusion!
Starting alphabetically expected Democratic Gains
Arizona ...... 11 electoral votes 2020 plus likely
Florida........29 electoral votes 2020 pthan 1% demographic changes give the Democrats the lead.
Michigan.....16 Trump Won by a 1/4 of 1% won't happen again
Nebraska 2nd....1 look for Democratic pickup
Pennsylvanian.... 20 Back in Democratic fold
Wisconsin .........!0 Back in Democratic fold
87 Electoral college votes + 227 Currently held 314 Votes
The Democrats have a good chance of picking up Ohio, Iowa, North Carolina and Georgia + Maine 2

If the Novemeber 8th, 2020 were 2 months away and even if you have a "good" candidate.

I put the likelihood of picking up:

arizona at 5% or less. What on earth makes you think you are taking Arizona!!?
Florida at 10% likely or less. Trump lives here and knows he must win here.
so really it comes down to

Wisconsin at 35% likely or less.(decent odds)
Penn at 48% likely or less(which are good odds). a toss up.

I concede michigan. you should have won michigan in 2016.
nebraska doesn't matter but i doubt you get it.

without florida and Arizona you do have 274 though. which might make Nebraska's 5 votes relevant. I think Trump gets at least 4 of those votes(if they split), if not all 5. he got 60% in and all 5 in 2016. I just dont see why you think he wont get these again???

I mean is this wishful thinking, right?? Surely you jest?

With the right candidate and campaign you could get florida. trump would need to take Penn and Mich while keeping Wisc to make up for losing florida. I just dont see him losing florida though. and neither do you, im guessing? this isn't roy moore. Its Donald trump and he has the economy roaring. and now knows how this game is played. He's going to destroy whoever has the courage to even stand up to him in a debate and I think he will stage the 2nd and 3rd debates very late. late August and late October.

impeachment is your only path right now. BTW, who is your candidate? Booker? Warren? Bernie? Or out of the box, The Rock?

[cammac]

The Russia probe yes a myth but 2 guilty pleas,2 indictments and a number of other indictments under seal likely one for Donald Jr. and Kushner! Mueller has done more in a few months than Star did in the years with Clinton to get a blow job!

[stilldropin20]

If facts have a liberal bias for you then you're obviously on the wrong side of the argument or reality. So much for SD20 being a champion of the working man and wanting to confiscate the wealth from the rich. I'm still laughing about how facts have a Liberal bias. You need to proof read before hitting send.

let me ask you one question. Take off your liberal cheer leading hat for a minute. just. one. minute.

and answer this question:

Do you want to redistribute wealth from the elite wealthy upper-upper class down to the middle and lower class?

The true measure of a society is how well it treats the people on the lowest levels. America cant claim to be a great society if 10% of the people control 90% of the wealth. And yes right now the wealthy and corporations could stand to pay more in taxes. The answer isn't to confiscate wealth and just give it to the middle and lower class but to create systemic structures to improve social mobility.

ok. a simple yes would have been a fine answer too. but I accept your answer as perfectly in line with my political point of view.

In fact this is a founding principle of mine. Robinhood politics. I'm all for it. and so are you. and it appears to be a guiding light of yours as well? Correct?

so here we are arguing away, when in fact, we agree on our founding political principles? Right?

[cammac]

let me ask you one question. Take off your liberal cheer leading hat for a minute. just. one. minute.

and answer this question:

Do you want to redistribute wealth from the elite wealthy upper-upper class down to the middle and lower class?

The true measure of a society is how well it treats the people on the lowest levels. America cant claim to be a great society if 10% of the people control 90% of the wealth. And yes right now the wealthy and corporations could stand to pay more in taxes. The answer isn't to confiscate wealth and just give it to the middle and lower class but to create systemic structures to improve social mobility.

ok. a simple yes would have been a fine answer too. but I accept your answer as perfectly in line with my political point of view.

In fact this is a founding principle of mine. Robinhood politics. I'm all for it. and so are you. and it appears to be a guiding light of yours as well? Correct?

so here we are arguing away, when in fact, we agree on our founding political principles? Right?

I'm guessing you agree with Judge Roy Moore that only the 1st. 10 count and then only how you interpret them.

[stilldropin20]

The true measure of a society is how well it treats the people on the lowest levels. America cant claim to be a great society if 10% of the people control 90% of the wealth. And yes right now the wealthy and corporations could stand to pay more in taxes. The answer isn't to confiscate wealth and just give it to the middle and lower class but to create systemic structures to improve social mobility.

ok. a simple yes would have been a fine answer too. but I accept your answer as perfectly in line with my political point of view.

In fact this is a founding principle of mine. Robinhood politics. I'm all for it. and so are you. and it appears to be a guiding light of yours as well? Correct?

so here we are arguing away, when in fact, we agree on our founding political principles? Right?

I'm guessing you agree with Judge Roy Moore that only the 1st. 10 count and then only how you interpret them.

look, i'd tie judge moore to a tree and take my time with a flame thrower if any of those accusations are true and still might do so just because some of his previous legislation sounded racists to me.

but lets not get side tracked and why dont you answer the same questions I pose to PointGod. lets see where we have common ground? shall we negotiate like adults? just for one week. i propose we negotiate like adults. 1 step at a time. and next week we can get back to our agendas, shall we?

[cammac]

ok. a simple yes would have been a fine answer too. but I accept your answer as perfectly in line with my political point of view.

In fact this is a founding principle of mine. Robinhood politics. I'm all for it. and so are you. and it appears to be a guiding light of yours as well? Correct?

so here we are arguing away, when in fact, we agree on our founding political principles? Right?

I'm guessing you agree with Judge Roy Moore that only the 1st. 10 count and then only how you interpret them.

look, i'd tie judge moore to a tree and take my time with a flame thrower if any of those accusations are true and still might do so just because some of his previous legislation sounded racists to me.

Just a start reinstate the 15% income tax minimum on the top 1%
Close the loopholes in the 21% corporate tax structure that has allowed most corporations pay less than there share and set a minimum of a 15% tax rate on profits for large corporations.
Lower tax threshold on small corporations making less than 500K similar to Canada's small business is the driver of the economy not Fortune 500.
Increase the maximum tax rate to 42%
Increase estate taxes lower threshold back to 5 million then graduated taxes up to 50% of estate.
Keep military spending at current levels the military budget is bloated.

Just a few


but lets not get side tracked and why dont you answer the same questions I pose to PointGod. lets see where we have common ground? shall we negotiate like adults? just for one week. i propose we negotiate like adults. 1 step at a time. and next week we can get back to our agendas, shall we?

[stilldropin20]

I'm guessing you agree with Judge Roy Moore that only the 1st. 10 count and then only how you interpret them.

look, i'd tie judge moore to a tree and take my time with a flame thrower if any of those accusations are true and still might do so just because some of his previous legislation sounded racists to me.

Just a start reinstate the 15% income tax minimum on the top 1%
Close the loopholes in the 21% corporate tax structure that has allowed most corporations pay less than there share and set a minimum of a 15% tax rate on profits for large corporations.
Lower tax threshold on small corporations making less than 500K similar to Canada's small business is the driver of the economy not Fortune 500.
Increase the maximum tax rate to 42%
Increase estate taxes lower threshold back to 5 million then graduated taxes up to 50% of estate.
Keep military spending at current levels the military budget is bloated.

Just a few


but lets not get side tracked and why dont you answer the same questions I pose to PointGod. lets see where we have common ground? shall we negotiate like adults? just for one week. i propose we negotiate like adults. 1 step at a time. and next week we can get back to our agendas, shall we?

i agree with basically all of that. and I have been consistent in supporting those basic themes for over 300 pages in these threads.

and as long as you close the loop holes and the carve outs then TAX AWAY!!!! especially the personal upper brackets above $400,000. Tax the **** out of them! So long as corporate rates remain competitive especially for small business. If we could get small business taxes down to 15% like canada? that would do wonders for our economy and significantly lower the cost of goods and services as more and more mom and pop cafe's, hair salons, medical/dental, law, real estate, etc etc., could compete. even thrive!!

I support all of that. there is no reason for lebron james, john Wall, Ben afleck, Meryl Streep, and on and on...there is no reason for them to NOT be taxed at even rates of 50% or higher!! they are NOT businesses. They dont drive the economy. they dont create jobs(on the personal side). they dont risk their own capital. Now if they open a legit business? Sure! give them lower corporate rates. But millionaire w2 employees have no business with tax rates lower than 45-50% And I'm fine with your 42%. But I would go higher.

All of that sounds good to me.

I disagree on military. if the military is depolyed smartly. it will pay for itself in spades. The US has a ton of extremely valuable International leverage in maintaining the strongest military. we need to keep it and improve it. and make technological warfare development a massive part of it. Dont ever forget that the British empire became the wealthiest and strongest empire ever to exist almost solely based on the strength of their navy. Deploying it around the globe to charging tariffs and taxes to trading companies for "trade protection." If war breaks out in Europe or the middle east, the US can employ its military in exchange for Gold and coin. Just like it did in ww1 and ww2. If you are lebron james and on top, you dont go out and lose 60 lbs.