Political Roundtable Part XVII

[TGW]

Relax. It will all be over soon. Just relax and enjoy the ride... Actually, you're Canadian. So I guess you're kinda in line at the food stand while we party on the roller coaster, but still fun nonetheless.

Again, your going to see people with more money in their pockets (once withholding changes) along with people getting jobs/promotions. The Russian investigation is getting stale as the media tries to prop up some sad stack of cards.

Wait until the end of summer...

See, and that's why people think the trump cheerleading coalition is a joke. Cammac asked you several legitimate questions you couldn't answer, so you deflect into "blah, blah, blah...MAGA". You live in a bubble, sir. Name one pro-Trump approval rating...just one. I dare you. But I doubt you look it up because your bubble gets a little smaller looking at those things.

[pcbothwel]

Relax. It will all be over soon. Just relax and enjoy the ride... Actually, you're Canadian. So I guess you're kinda in line at the food stand while we party on the roller coaster, but still fun nonetheless.

Again, your going to see people with more money in their pockets (once withholding changes) along with people getting jobs/promotions. The Russian investigation is getting stale as the media tries to prop up some sad stack of cards.

Wait until the end of summer...

See, and that's why people think the trump cheerleading coalition is a joke. Cammac asked you several legitimate questions you couldn't answer, so you deflect into "blah, blah, blah...MAGA". You live in a bubble, sir. Name one pro-Trump approval rating...just one. I dare you. But I doubt you look it up because your bubble gets a little smaller looking at those things.

Sounds good chief. Keep your eyes glued to CNN, Im sure Trump will be impeached at any moment.

[dckingsfan]

Give me one state or municipal election where a Republican over preformed?

I would answer that one with Utah and Nebraska. Both doing extremely well in regards to debt, GDP growth, unemployment and income inequality. If I were looking at what to copy - that is where I would look.

[cammac]

Give me one state or municipal election where a Republican over preformed?

I would answer that one with Utah and Nebraska. Both doing extremely well in regards to debt, GDP growth, unemployment and income inequality. If I were looking at what to copy - that is where I would look.

With Utah I agree it is definitely a special case but even Hatch was criticized today by the major Salt Lake City newspaper. I also understand that Mia Love is only a slight favorite in Utah #4. If I'm not mistaken though in Omaha Democrats won the majority in of councilors at city hall. In Nebraska the riding that encompasses Omaha could very likely go Democrat in 2018.

[verbal8]

This is why I think the Republicans are in trouble in 2018.

It is easy to say that Roy Moore was a pervert who made conservatives ashamed to vote for him.

It was a close race before that. Maybe the allegations stopped him from closing the gap, but a Democrat even coming close in Alabama is a bad sign. That figure of the under 45 vote in Alabama and VA will be hard to overcome if it is showing a national trend.



https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2017/12/26/16810116/doug-jones-alabama-polls-roy-moore

[pcbothwel]

This is why I think the Republicans are in trouble in 2018.

It is easy to say that Roy Moore was a pervert who made conservatives ashamed to vote for him.

It was a close race before that. Maybe the allegations stopped him from closing the gap, but a Democrat even coming close in Alabama is a bad sign. That figure of the under 45 vote in Alabama and VA will be hard to overcome if it is showing a national trend.



https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2017/12/26/16810116/doug-jones-alabama-polls-roy-moore

You might be right, but I think the tax cut along with potential infrastructure carry serious gravity. Those along with a growing economy really puts the onus on the D's to really come up with a big, strong message. I just dont see what that message is that will sway people. The middle class/economic message has been drifting away from them on the last few years, and would drift even further if the economy is going well. On social issues, I think we have swung pretty far left compared to where we were 10 & 20 years ago. I dont think Gay/Trans/Womens rights or immigration will get the support they need.
Last would be National security, but dont see any what Trump/R's lose that either

Obviously, Russia can be a wild card. But it sounds like its really going no where and everyone besides leftist are getting bored/fatigued. Think about it, we've heard two general themes.
D's: Trump colluded with Russia, probably directly into voting. He not only cheated the election, but will be a Russian puppet once in office and sell out our country.

R's: There is zero evidence of Trump collusion and no one did anything wrong. Corrupt Govt officials from Obama/Clinton are not only involved in planting story, but they themselves have sold out the US.

Now these are both the extreme examples of each side, but when Trump was sworn in I bet you 80% of people would of thought the D's scenario was more accurate if you had to choose... 12 Months later... I think its becoming pretty close to 50/50.
i dont think we quite understand how much the story has turned, but by the end of summer I think we'll have clarity.

[stilldropin20]

This is why I think the Republicans are in trouble in 2018.

It is easy to say that Roy Moore was a pervert who made conservatives ashamed to vote for him.

It was a close race before that. Maybe the allegations stopped him from closing the gap, but a Democrat even coming close in Alabama is a bad sign. That figure of the under 45 vote in Alabama and VA will be hard to overcome if it is showing a national trend.



https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2017/12/26/16810116/doug-jones-alabama-polls-roy-moore

You might be right, but I think the tax cut along with potential infrastructure carry serious gravity. Those along with a growing economy really puts the onus on the D's to really come up with a big, strong message. I just dont see what that message is that will sway people. The middle class/economic message has been drifting away from them on the last few years, and would drift even further if the economy is going well. On social issues, I think we have swung pretty far left compared to where we were 10 & 20 years ago. I dont think Gay/Trans/Womens rights or immigration will get the support they need.
Last would be National security, but dont see any what Trump/R's lose that either

Obviously, Russia can be a wild card. But it sounds like its really going no where and everyone besides leftist are getting bored/fatigued. Think about it, we've heard two general themes.
D's: Trump colluded with Russia, probably directly into voting. He not only cheated the election, but will be a Russian puppet once in office and sell out our country.

R's: There is zero evidence of Trump collusion and no one did anything wrong. Corrupt Govt officials from Obama/Clinton are not only involved in planting story, but they themselves have sold out the US.

Now these are both the extreme examples of each side, but when Trump was sworn in I bet you 80% of people would of thought the D's scenario was more accurate if you had to choose... 12 Months later... I think its becoming pretty close to 50/50.
i dont think we quite understand how much the story has turned, but by the end of summer I think we'll have clarity.

Russia gate was a complete Ruse. The entire left knows it and they dont care. they pretend to think its real just because it puts a chink in trumps armor. Their goal is death of a thousand cuts. they have no candidate that can beat him. they know it. He took states he had no business winning and now he has kicked isis' ass and the economy is rolling. They have absolutely no chance to beat him in 2020. there only path to victory is impeachment. and they know this. Thats why CNN wont let up. No matter how foolish CNN looks by the day with their fake news feeding the trump gate collusion garbage.

And once no collusion is proven beyond a doubt, i hope trump pardon's the entire teams and sicks the DOJ dogs on HRC, the DNC, Mueller, Comey, Schiff, and everyone else that put forth that complete lie. because the entire thing is nothing more than an attempt to over turn the 2016 election. And anyone with a set of eyes can see that.

[TGW]

Relax. It will all be over soon. Just relax and enjoy the ride... Actually, you're Canadian. So I guess you're kinda in line at the food stand while we party on the roller coaster, but still fun nonetheless.

Again, your going to see people with more money in their pockets (once withholding changes) along with people getting jobs/promotions. The Russian investigation is getting stale as the media tries to prop up some sad stack of cards.

Wait until the end of summer...

See, and that's why people think the trump cheerleading coalition is a joke. Cammac asked you several legitimate questions you couldn't answer, so you deflect into "blah, blah, blah...MAGA". You live in a bubble, sir. Name one pro-Trump approval rating...just one. I dare you. But I doubt you look it up because your bubble gets a little smaller looking at those things.

Sounds good chief. Keep your eyes glued to CNN, Im sure Trump will be impeached at any moment.

Don't even try it jack. I hate CNN, Fox, and the rest of the mainstream media, so I don't waive pompoms like you do. I don't care about Russia, or even impeachment, because it's not necessary. Trump will lose on the issues. His policy stinks and are universally unpopular outside of his core base and cheerleaders. His ratings are in the tank, and the candidates he's backed have lost to crappy establishment democrats. All early signs are pointing to a democratic landslide in 2018.

You can keep screaming "MAGA" until you're blue in the face, but at some point you're going to have to face reality. Trump is the most unpopular president in modern day history. Let it sink in buddy. Accept it. Own it.

[verbal8]

A bipartisan infrastructure bill could actually backfire for the Republicans in 2018. There aren't a lot of red state/district Democrats but it could well help them solidify their seats. It also could open more Republicans up to primary challenges, which could lead to more Roy Moore/Doug Jones type of races. The Democrats wouldn't always win, but a few surprise upsets would tilt things even more to the Democrats side.

Purple district republicans could end up with tough choices, go right(presumably a no vote) to fend off a primary challenge or go along with the bill for general election appeal. If they vote against it leads a big opening for a Democrat to say they could hold Trump accountable when required, but also work together when he is promoting good ideas.

[verbal8]

If the Republicans have a candidate as bad as Clinton for president, it might be Ted Cruz in 2018(for his senate re-election).

While his presumed opponent is pretty anti-Trump, I could see Cruz losing voters that would still stick with Trump on a presidential ticket.

[verbal8]

The Republicans have a simple path to a competitive 2020 election, "Dump Trump". However I don't see anyone with pull among Republicans standing up to Trump consistently.

[stilldropin20]

this should tell you something folks.

Read on Twitter

[verbal8]

this should tell you something folks

How does Assange know Trump's net worth?

How did Trump lose a Billion dollars?(again)
Imagine how badly he would be doing without all his visits to his properties.

I think the Bushes are also doing pretty well financially. If he has the desire it wouldn't surprise me if Obama ends up a billionaire. A bankrupt Trump(again) wouldn't surprise me at all.

[FAH1223]

this should tell you something folks

How does Assange know Trump's net worth?

How did Trump lose a Billion dollars?(again)
Imagine how badly he would be doing without all his visits to his properties.

I think the Bushes are also doing pretty well financially. If he has the desire it wouldn't surprise me if Obama ends up a billionaire. A bankrupt Trump(again) wouldn't surprise me at all.

that's actually not Assange's twitter account... its a fake

[cammac]

this should tell you something folks

How does Assange know Trump's net worth?

How did Trump lose a Billion dollars?(again)
Imagine how badly he would be doing without all his visits to his properties.

I think the Bushes are also doing pretty well financially. If he has the desire it wouldn't surprise me if Obama ends up a billionaire. A bankrupt Trump(again) wouldn't surprise me at all.

Putin told Assange the holder of the debt always knows the worth!
I find it funny also the MANTRA of fake news when it comes to RUSSIA!
Donald Trump Jr. has already confessed to seeking the help of the Russians in getting dirt on Clinton.
Always thought conspiring with a foreign power was collusion?
Then Donald Sr. dictating that it was all about adoption when Jr. got caught is conspiracy!

[closg00]

A bipartisan infrastructure bill could actually backfire for the Republicans in 2018. There aren't a lot of red state/district Democrats but it could well help them solidify their seats. It also could open more Republicans up to primary challenges, which could lead to more Roy Moore/Doug Jones type of races. The Democrats wouldn't always win, but a few surprise upsets would tilt things even more to the Democrats side.

Purple district republicans could end up with tough choices, go right(presumably a no vote) to fend off a primary challenge or go along with the bill for general election appeal. If they vote against it leads a big opening for a Democrat to say they could hold Trump accountable when required, but also work together when he is promoting good ideas.

Trump is talking health care reform and infrastructure, with what money?!?! How will it be financed?

[Wizardspride]

A question: How do you think Trump voters will react when the GOP goes after social security/medicare? Many of his supporters depend on these programs.

You all know it's coming. The excuse will be that because the deficit is so huge there's no other alternative. Of course they won't mention the part about adding to the deficit themselves (tax cuts).

Anyone who follows politics closely knows that the GOP's ultimate goal has always been to do away with entitlement (I hate that word) programs. Not save these programs but do away with them.

Hopefully, Trump will do as promised and not touch these programs....at least not in the way the GOP in general wants.

[TGW]

this should tell you something folks

How does Assange know Trump's net worth?

How did Trump lose a Billion dollars?(again)
Imagine how badly he would be doing without all his visits to his properties.

I think the Bushes are also doing pretty well financially. If he has the desire it wouldn't surprise me if Obama ends up a billionaire. A bankrupt Trump(again) wouldn't surprise me at all.

that's actually not Assange's twitter account... its a fake

LOL no shocker the STD would be spreading fake news on this board. that's why i'm blocking his goofy behind.

[cammac]

No one knows what Mueller has and how many targets he has in the Russian investigation but it is speculated that he does have a number of indictments ready. The financial side is very interesting and can implicate the Trump & Kusher organizations.

“There is as much financial wealth held by rich Russians abroad -- in the United Kingdom, Switzerland, Cyprus, and similar offshore centers -- than held by the entire Russian population in Russia itself,”

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/12/27/1727819/-Russian-oligarchs-money-at-what-moment-will-they-give-Trump-up-to-keep-their-wealth

[gtn130]

SD20 roundly condemns everything appearing on CNN as FAKE NEWS, yet he uncritically accepts tweets from Julian Assange's [fake] twitter account as fact.

This is why it's not worth engaging with deplorable true believer types. There isn't a shred of intellectual honesty - they will believe what they want to believe no matter what the facts say or how you present them. You're playing yourself when you engage with someone who is arguing in bad faith.