2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.)

[Fat Kat]

This is from the trade board in a UTA fire sale thread

Trade 3 - Knicks
Utah trades Rodney Hood and Ricky Rubio for Joakim Noah and the Knicks' first round pick this year.

If it’s somewhat protected (top10), would you do this deal?

Hood could slide into the SF role. Rubio could do well playing with the young guys who want to run. Opens up some cap space for 2019 depending on what you pay Hood.

That's a trade i would definitely think about.

Horrible horrible trade

[dakomish23]

This is from the trade board in a UTA fire sale thread

Trade 3 - Knicks
Utah trades Rodney Hood and Ricky Rubio for Joakim Noah and the Knicks' first round pick this year.

If it’s somewhat protected (top10), would you do this deal?

Hood could slide into the SF role. Rubio could do well playing with the young guys who want to run. Opens up some cap space for 2019 depending on what you pay Hood.

That's a trade i would definitely think about.

Horrible horrible trade

Yeah.

For Utah.

Noah’s contract is an abomination.

[dakomish23]

Nah, I'm not doing that. Hood's offense is hit or miss and his defense is horrible. I also don't want to be paying him 14+ a year going forward.

I could see him being a better fit here than in UTA where he’s just a gunner. I don’t know what he’ll get in FA though.

Dumping Noah and adding Rubio seems to tilt in the Knicks favor, if there is good protection on the pick.

The defense is still a huge problem. He is a terrible defender in Utah even though he has an awesome defensive coach and is surrounded by great defensive players. Even going back to Duke, he was a gunner and poor defensive player.

Getting rid of Noah is nice, but we're essentially adding that back in Hood (and Rubio adds more onto the cap). I'd rather have the pick and continue rebuilding from the inside.

That’s why to me it comes down to what you pay Hood. Rubio expires in 2019 and to me fits well with this group.

Also obviously the protection on the pick. If it was something like top 10, I’d consider it.

[newyorker4ever]

I could see him being a better fit here than in UTA where he’s just a gunner. I don’t know what he’ll get in FA though.

Dumping Noah and adding Rubio seems to tilt in the Knicks favor, if there is good protection on the pick.

The defense is still a huge problem. He is a terrible defender in Utah even though he has an awesome defensive coach and is surrounded by great defensive players. Even going back to Duke, he was a gunner and poor defensive player.

Getting rid of Noah is nice, but we're essentially adding that back in Hood (and Rubio adds more onto the cap). I'd rather have the pick and continue rebuilding from the inside.

That’s why to me it comes down to what you pay Hood. Rubio expires in 2019 and to me fits well with this group.

Also obviously the protection on the pick. If it was something like top 10, I’d consider it.

R.Hood and R.Rubio would be really nice pieces for this team and you don't have to have top level defenders at every position as long as you have 3 of them on the court playing good defense you'll be fine which is why Utah is one of the top defensive teams in the league with R.Hood.

PG--R.Rubio
SG--THJ
SF--R.Hood
PF--KP6
C--E.Kanter

That's a lineup i could get behind, and we get to lose the Noah contract. Would suck to lose our 1st round pick but if it's in the 8 to 15 range, which it will be then i'd be alright with it. There's other trades we could make that could get us a 1st round pick in return so maybe we do this trade and then recoup a 1st with another trade. We also need Hood's shooting with being one of the worst teams in the league in 3 point attempts and of course makes.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I could see him being a better fit here than in UTA where he’s just a gunner. I don’t know what he’ll get in FA though.

Dumping Noah and adding Rubio seems to tilt in the Knicks favor, if there is good protection on the pick.

The defense is still a huge problem. He is a terrible defender in Utah even though he has an awesome defensive coach and is surrounded by great defensive players. Even going back to Duke, he was a gunner and poor defensive player.

Getting rid of Noah is nice, but we're essentially adding that back in Hood (and Rubio adds more onto the cap). I'd rather have the pick and continue rebuilding from the inside.

That’s why to me it comes down to what you pay Hood. Rubio expires in 2019 and to me fits well with this group.

Also obviously the protection on the pick. If it was something like top 10, I’d consider it.

I’m still not doing it.

[Thugger HBC]

Knicks aren't in a position to be trading picks, even with protections. Past regressions needs to fall off organically without adding compounding issues.

[Knicksfan1992]

Im thinking Courtney lee is 32 y. o. now and could be valuable in another trade to a contender looking for a reliable shooter which Lee has been very good this year.

Including tonight ,last 5 games Hezonja has averaged 16 ppg in 28 minutes Remember he's not signed for next year.

You answered why we shouldn't trade for him in your post. He could use us to raise his price and leave in 6 months with us losing an asset for a rental that may or may not even help us. If we want him, then get him in the offseason for nothing on a "show me" type of deal.

[Knicksfan1992]

Knicks aren't in a position to be trading picks, even with protections. Past regressions needs to fall off organically without adding compounding issues.

We just don't have enough assets in the cupboard to get rid of a prime pick just yet. We're close but not there yet. Gotta give it some time. If we move Lee or WHG for a 1st then we can start talking trading picks IMO unless it's a slam dunk like Kyrie would have been...

[Thugger HBC]

Knicks aren't in a position to be trading picks, even with protections. Past regressions needs to fall off organically without adding compounding issues.

We just don't have enough assets in the cupboard to get rid of a prime pick just yet. We're close but not there yet. Gotta give it some time. If we move Lee or WHG for a 1st then we can start talking trading picks IMO unless it's a slam dunk like Kyrie would have been...

Agreed. Once we establish a core, winning culture, then trading picks might be considered. Right now, too soon. We're not even at the stage where dumping contracts is even needed.

[HarthorneWingo]

I like Hood a lot, I must admit.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/rodney-hood-15375/

[Knicksfan1992]

I like Hood a lot, I must admit.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/rodney-hood-15375/

I Like Hood too but we have a better version of him in Timmy IMO. Timmy is passable right now defensively and flashes more playmaking skills than Rodney. He would be excess IMO. If we're looking to upgrade for strictly this year we should try and buy low on Tyreke. Think Memphis would bite on a couple 2nds and he'd be a nice stop-gap oversized pg that isn't a billion years old like Jack and not totally brutal defensively...

[HarthorneWingo]

I like Hood a lot, I must admit.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/rodney-hood-15375/

I Like Hood too but we have a better version of him in Timmy IMO. Timmy is passable right now defensively and flashes more playmaking skills than Rodney. He would be excess IMO. If we're looking to upgrade for strictly this year we should try and buy low on Tyreke. Think Memphis would bite on a couple 2nds and he'd be a nice stop-gap oversized pg that isn't a billion years old like Jack and not totally brutal defensively...

Hood can play SF


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[dakomish23]

I like Hood a lot, I must admit.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/rodney-hood-15375/

I Like Hood too but we have a better version of him in Timmy IMO. Timmy is passable right now defensively and flashes more playmaking skills than Rodney. He would be excess IMO. If we're looking to upgrade for strictly this year we should try and buy low on Tyreke. Think Memphis would bite on a couple 2nds and he'd be a nice stop-gap oversized pg that isn't a billion years old like Jack and not totally brutal defensively...

Hood vs THJ. That’s a good debate

[dakomish23]

How is adding

- a solid PG with good vision & defense on a good contract who expires in 2019
- a 25 year old scoring wing with good size
- While dumping the worst contract in the NBA which lasts till 2020
- All for a protected pick

“Compounding our issues”?

I get it if you don’t think Hood or Rubio aren’t that good, or even have some hang up on moving picks because of past failures, but let’s stop pretending like this is some one way massacre. It’s a fair deal.

My primary objection for not doing it is because we would probably be too good to end up with a high pick.

[Thugger HBC]

I like Hood a lot, I must admit.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/rodney-hood-15375/

I Like Hood too but we have a better version of him in Timmy IMO. Timmy is passable right now defensively and flashes more playmaking skills than Rodney. He would be excess IMO. If we're looking to upgrade for strictly this year we should try and buy low on Tyreke. Think Memphis would bite on a couple 2nds and he'd be a nice stop-gap oversized pg that isn't a billion years old like Jack and not totally brutal defensively...

Hood can play SF


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Timmy is our SF.

[HarthorneWingo]

How is adding

- a solid PG with good vision & defense on a good contract who expires in 2019
- a 25 year old scoring wing with good size
- While dumping the worst contract in the NBA which lasts till 2020
- All for a protected pick

“Compounding our issues”?

I get it if you don’t think Hood or Rubio aren’t that good, or even have some hang up on moving picks because of past failures, but let’s stop pretending like this is some one way massacre. It’s a fair deal.

My primary objection for not doing it is because we would probably be too good to end up with a high pick.

I'd throw caution to the wind and do that deal. We going to do better than Rodney Hood in the draft?

There are no absolutes here.

[HarthorneWingo]

I Like Hood too but we have a better version of him in Timmy IMO. Timmy is passable right now defensively and flashes more playmaking skills than Rodney. He would be excess IMO. If we're looking to upgrade for strictly this year we should try and buy low on Tyreke. Think Memphis would bite on a couple 2nds and he'd be a nice stop-gap oversized pg that isn't a billion years old like Jack and not totally brutal defensively...

Hood can play SF


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Timmy is our SF.

But we trade Lee for other assets, move Timmy Shimmy to SG and Hood (6'8") to SF.

[Thugger HBC]

Hood can play SF


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Timmy is our SF.

But we trade Lee for other assets, move Timmy Shimmy to SG and Hood (6'8") to SF.

I don't think he's an upgrade over McDermott to be honest.

[WajaBawl]

How is adding

- a solid PG with good vision & defense on a good contract who expires in 2019
- a 25 year old scoring wing with good size
- While dumping the worst contract in the NBA which lasts till 2020
- All for a protected pick

“Compounding our issues”?

I get it if you don’t think Hood or Rubio aren’t that good, or even have some hang up on moving picks because of past failures, but let’s stop pretending like this is some one way massacre. It’s a fair deal.

My primary objection for not doing it is because we would probably be too good to end up with a high pick.

Even if we didn't, I think the hope is that we still come away from the draft with a better player than Hood. And this is coming from someone who actually likes him.

Besides, there really isn't an immediate need to get rid of Noahs contract. Who are we going to sign with the money we clear?

[HarthorneWingo]

Timmy is our SF.

But we trade Lee for other assets, move Timmy Shimmy to SG and Hood (6'8") to SF.

I don't think he's an upgrade over McDermott to be honest.

Comparison of Hood and McDermott:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Rodney+Hood&player_id1_select=Rodney+Hood&player_id1=hoodro01&y1=2018&player_id2_select=Doug+McDermott&y2=2018&player_id2=mcderdo01&idx=players

Seems to me that Hood is a little more potent of a scorer and people here say he's a stud on defense. I can't speak on that though. What's wrong with having both Hood and McDermott? That way we can trade Lee and LFT for assets. And having both Hood and Doug gives Jeff a lot of rotational flexibility ... and youth.