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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion III: Now with more warnings than games played 

Post#941 » by XDevilBoiX » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:44 pm

JojoSlimbiid wrote:
XDevilBoiX wrote:I am thinking they have been working with him to change his shot all this time behind closed doors. No other reason to hold him out of practice for 3 weeks when he is no longer in pain. They didn’t want him to go back to how he was shooting in college and since he was starting to change it on his own, might as well use this time to completely change it.


This is not a good thing. I don't really trust our player development at all.

I don’t either but I see no other reasons why he hasn’t been practicing and this makes more sense then what everyone been guessing so far. Also why he’s been posting pic(s) of himself on the court.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion III: Now with more warnings than games played 

Post#942 » by XDevilBoiX » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:44 pm

JojoSlimbiid wrote:
XDevilBoiX wrote:I am thinking they have been working with him to change his shot all this time behind closed doors. No other reason to hold him out of practice for 3 weeks when he is no longer in pain. They didn’t want him to go back to how he was shooting in college and since he was starting to change it on his own, might as well use this time to completely change it.


This is not a good thing. I don't really trust our player development at all.

I don’t either but I see no other reasons why he hasn’t been practicing and this makes more sense then what everyone been guessing so far. Also why he’s been posting pic(s) of himself on the court.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion III: Now with more warnings than games played 

Post#943 » by LloydFree » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:44 pm

XDevilBoiX wrote:I am thinking they have been working with him to change his shot all this time behind closed doors. No other reason to hold him out of practice for 3 weeks when he is no longer in pain. They didn’t want him to go back to how he was shooting in college and since he was starting to change it on his own, might as well use this time to completely change it.

With the next update, he will begin practicing with the team to get back into game shape. Might be a few weeks before he gets into game actions.

Why would they completely change the shot of the best player in the draft? I thought his shooting was most of the reason he was considered the #1 prospect by some experts.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion III: Now with more warnings than games played 

Post#944 » by JojoSlimbiid » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:45 pm

ankle420breaker wrote:Apparently Fultz is doing some shooting training with Mahmoud Rauf.

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Where do you see that?
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Re: RE: Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion III: Now with more warnings than games played 

Post#945 » by ankle420breaker » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:50 pm

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ankle420breaker wrote:Apparently Fultz is doing some shooting training with Mahmoud Rauf.

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Where do you see that?

Mahmoud did an Instagram live video... someone just shared the clip on Sixers 24-7. He said he just got back from a training session with Markelle Fultz and will be heading to Portland tomorrow to continue the training.

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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion III: Now with more warnings than games played 

Post#946 » by XDevilBoiX » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:51 pm

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XDevilBoiX wrote:I am thinking they have been working with him to change his shot all this time behind closed doors. No other reason to hold him out of practice for 3 weeks when he is no longer in pain. They didn’t want him to go back to how he was shooting in college and since he was starting to change it on his own, might as well use this time to completely change it.

With the next update, he will begin practicing with the team to get back into game shape. Might be a few weeks before he gets into game actions.

Why would they completely change the shot of the best player in the draft? I thought his shooting was most of the reason he was considered the #1 prospect by some experts.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/markelle-fultz-jump-shot-sixers-76ers-brett-brown-concerns-20171002.html?mobi=true
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion III: Now with more warnings than games played 

Post#947 » by LongLiveHinkie » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:53 pm

XDevilBoiX wrote:I am thinking they have been working with him to change his shot all this time behind closed doors. No other reason to hold him out of practice for 3 weeks when he is no longer in pain. They didn’t want him to go back to how he was shooting in college and since he was starting to change it on his own, might as well use this time to completely change it.

With the next update, he will begin practicing with the team to get back into game shape. Might be a few weeks before he gets into game actions.


It takes like a day to change a jumper. I played basketball competitively my entire life, changed my jumper a million different times just to test stuff. It's not like learning a new language, it's more like riding a bike. Once you learn, you learn. You can jump back and forth between forms and releases seamlessly. Never took more than a day or two to get it down exactly how I wanted it.

The only thing jumper-wise I can think of that would take weeks to learn is if he has this fear in the back of his head leftover from the muscle imbalance that when he shoots it's going to cause him pain and it's causing some type of hesitation in his release that is altering his shot. Kinda like when you come back from a knee injury some guys are hesitant to plant and cut right away because their brain has that fear of reinjury, they need to get used to it again.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion III: Now with more warnings than games played 

Post#948 » by JojoSlimbiid » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:54 pm

A lot of people say dumb things like Josh Jackson is going to be the only rookie + player in this class.
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Re: RE: Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion III: Now with more warnings than games played 

Post#949 » by JojoSlimbiid » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:58 pm

ankle420breaker wrote:
JojoSlimbiid wrote:
ankle420breaker wrote:Apparently Fultz is doing some shooting training with Mahmoud Rauf.

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Where do you see that?

Mahmoud did an Instagram live video... someone just shared the clip on Sixers 24-7. He said he just got back from a training session with Markelle Fultz and will be heading to Portland tomorrow to continue the training.

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As long as he's far away from John Townsend I'm cool with it.
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Re: RE: Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion III: Now with more warnings than games played 

Post#950 » by James40 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:59 pm

ankle420breaker wrote:
JojoSlimbiid wrote:
ankle420breaker wrote:Apparently Fultz is doing some shooting training with Mahmoud Rauf.

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Where do you see that?

Mahmoud did an Instagram live video... someone just shared the clip on Sixers 24-7. He said he just got back from a training session with Markelle Fultz and will be heading to Portland tomorrow to continue the training.

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Chris Jackson?? That Mahmoud? Wow didn’t know he had anything to do with basketball anymore.

Dude shot like 90% from the line so maybe he’ll help.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion III: Now with more warnings than games played 

Post#951 » by XDevilBoiX » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:00 pm

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XDevilBoiX wrote:I am thinking they have been working with him to change his shot all this time behind closed doors. No other reason to hold him out of practice for 3 weeks when he is no longer in pain. They didn’t want him to go back to how he was shooting in college and since he was starting to change it on his own, might as well use this time to completely change it.

With the next update, he will begin practicing with the team to get back into game shape. Might be a few weeks before he gets into game actions.


It takes like a day to change a jumper. I played basketball competitively my entire life, changed my jumper a million different times just to test stuff. It's not like learning a new language, it's more like riding a bike. Once you learn, you learn. You can jump back and forth between forms and releases seamlessly. Never took more than a day or two to get it down exactly how I wanted it.

The only thing jumper-wise I can think of that would take weeks to learn is if he has this fear in the back of his head leftover from the muscle imbalance that when he shoots it's going to cause him pain and it's causing some type of hesitation in his release that is altering his shot. Kinda like when you come back from a knee injury some guys are hesitant to plant and cut right away because their brain has that fear of reinjury, they need to get used to it again.

Don’t take my word for it, just my take on this whole mess. You are right that it might take a day or 2 to change his form but they probably want him to get use to it and be comfortable with it before playing him in games? Maybe also work to improve his free throws while they are at it?
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion III: Now with more warnings than games played 

Post#952 » by LongLiveHinkie » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:12 pm

XDevilBoiX wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:
XDevilBoiX wrote:I am thinking they have been working with him to change his shot all this time behind closed doors. No other reason to hold him out of practice for 3 weeks when he is no longer in pain. They didn’t want him to go back to how he was shooting in college and since he was starting to change it on his own, might as well use this time to completely change it.

With the next update, he will begin practicing with the team to get back into game shape. Might be a few weeks before he gets into game actions.


It takes like a day to change a jumper. I played basketball competitively my entire life, changed my jumper a million different times just to test stuff. It's not like learning a new language, it's more like riding a bike. Once you learn, you learn. You can jump back and forth between forms and releases seamlessly. Never took more than a day or two to get it down exactly how I wanted it.

The only thing jumper-wise I can think of that would take weeks to learn is if he has this fear in the back of his head leftover from the muscle imbalance that when he shoots it's going to cause him pain and it's causing some type of hesitation in his release that is altering his shot. Kinda like when you come back from a knee injury some guys are hesitant to plant and cut right away because their brain has that fear of reinjury, they need to get used to it again.

Don’t take my word for it, just my take on this whole mess. You are right that it might take a day or 2 to change his form but they probably want him to get use to it and be comfortable with it before playing him in games? Maybe also work to improve his free throws while they are at it?


If they're holding him back because his FTs suck, then why the hell is Ben Simmons playing?
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion III: Now with more warnings than games played 

Post#953 » by LloydFree » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:13 pm

XDevilBoiX wrote:
LloydFree wrote:
XDevilBoiX wrote:I am thinking they have been working with him to change his shot all this time behind closed doors. No other reason to hold him out of practice for 3 weeks when he is no longer in pain. They didn’t want him to go back to how he was shooting in college and since he was starting to change it on his own, might as well use this time to completely change it.

With the next update, he will begin practicing with the team to get back into game shape. Might be a few weeks before he gets into game actions.

Why would they completely change the shot of the best player in the draft? I thought his shooting was most of the reason he was considered the #1 prospect by some experts.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/markelle-fultz-jump-shot-sixers-76ers-brett-brown-concerns-20171002.html?mobi=true

Doesn't make much sense to trade up to take a shooter, who's shot you need to fix. And really doesn't have any other physical advantages over most other NBA guards.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion III: Now with more warnings than games played 

Post#954 » by XDevilBoiX » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:31 pm

LloydFree wrote:
XDevilBoiX wrote:
LloydFree wrote:Why would they completely change the shot of the best player in the draft? I thought his shooting was most of the reason he was considered the #1 prospect by some experts.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/markelle-fultz-jump-shot-sixers-76ers-brett-brown-concerns-20171002.html?mobi=true

Doesn't make much sense to trade up to take a shooter, who's shot you need to fix. Who really doesn't have any other physical advantages over most other NBA guards.

My only take is because of fits, we took too many bigs and that created a jam. They didn’t want to create any more jams and they needed guards. And we know BC doesn’t care about assets, he will trade them away for what he wants.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion III: Now with more warnings than games played 

Post#955 » by Negrodamus » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:37 pm

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LloydFree wrote:

Doesn't make much sense to trade up to take a shooter, who's shot you need to fix. Who really doesn't have any other physical advantages over most other NBA guards.

My only take is because of fits, we took too many bigs and that created a jam. They didn’t want to create any more jams and they needed guards. And we know BC doesn’t care about assets, he will trade them away for what he wants.


Tatum and Mitchell were at three and wouldn’t have required a trade. Both fit a need (scoring). I always thought Fultz was more of a passer that was being asked to score because he had an ability to create. Washington was completely deprived of a scoring guard. He did it very well, but I wouldn’t say it was his best attribute.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion III: Now with more warnings than games played 

Post#956 » by BullyKing » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:40 pm

LloydFree wrote:
XDevilBoiX wrote:
LloydFree wrote:Why would they completely change the shot of the best player in the draft? I thought his shooting was most of the reason he was considered the #1 prospect by some experts.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/markelle-fultz-jump-shot-sixers-76ers-brett-brown-concerns-20171002.html?mobi=true

Doesn't make much sense to trade up to take a shooter, who's shot you need to fix. And really doesn't have any other physical advantages over most other NBA guards.


The article is from October and Brown talks about needing to get the shot "back" to where it needs to be. He is clearly referencing the changes Fultz made between the draft and training camp. So the narrative that they traded up to take a shooter whose shot they needed to fix doesn't hold.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion III: Now with more warnings than games played 

Post#957 » by sweeper12 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:40 pm

LloydFree wrote:
XDevilBoiX wrote:
LloydFree wrote:Why would they completely change the shot of the best player in the draft? I thought his shooting was most of the reason he was considered the #1 prospect by some experts.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/markelle-fultz-jump-shot-sixers-76ers-brett-brown-concerns-20171002.html?mobi=true

Doesn't make much sense to trade up to take a shooter, who's shot you need to fix. And really doesn't have any other physical advantages over most other NBA guards.


I can't imagine the Sixers (or anyone who scouted him) thought Fultz was a shooter. He shot in the mid-60%s for his free throws in college. Almost by definition, you can't be a poor free throw shooter and a good shooter at the same time. At least, I've never seen a player who pulled off that combo.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion III: Now with more warnings than games played 

Post#958 » by LloydFree » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:53 pm

sweeper12 wrote:
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Doesn't make much sense to trade up to take a shooter, who's shot you need to fix. And really doesn't have any other physical advantages over most other NBA guards.


I can't imagine the Sixers (or anyone who scouted him) thought Fultz was a shooter. He shot in the mid-60%s for his free throws in college. Almost by definition, you can't be a poor free throw shooter and a good shooter at the same time. At least, I've never seen a player who pulled off that combo.

Coming into the college season he wasn't considered a consistent perimeter shooter. So you are right. He isn't/wasn't a shooter. The FT% is an example of that. But since he was able to shoot 40% from 3 for one season in college, some people take that as the true indicator. Its a faulty indicator. Evan Turner once shot 44% from 3 in college for cripes sake. The idea of Fultz as a great shooter is different than the reality of Fultz as a great shooter. Its going to take years before he's any good.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion III: Now with more warnings than games played 

Post#959 » by JojoSlimbiid » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:02 pm

For the record in case anyone wanted context instead of cherry picked stats. Evan Turner shot 44% from 3 on 25 shots that year.

Don't let proper context stand in the way of the narrative though

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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion III: Now with more warnings than games played 

Post#960 » by XDevilBoiX » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:05 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
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LloydFree wrote:Doesn't make much sense to trade up to take a shooter, who's shot you need to fix. Who really doesn't have any other physical advantages over most other NBA guards.

My only take is because of fits, we took too many bigs and that created a jam. They didn’t want to create any more jams and they needed guards. And we know BC doesn’t care about assets, he will trade them away for what he wants.


Tatum and Mitchell were at three and wouldn’t have required a trade. Both fit a need (scoring). I always thought Fultz was more of a passer that was being asked to score because he had an ability to create. Washington was completely deprived of a scoring guard. He did it very well, but I wouldn’t say it was his best attribute.

I don’t think BC would trade down for Mitchell and no one knew he would be this good. Taking Tatum or Jackson was not in his mind because of Covington being here and that causes some type of logjam at sf/pf. They did not know if Simmons was able to guard other pgs yet. So the obvious choice to him was Fultz and he was the consensus no.1 pick. In his mind, he had nothing to lose.

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