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[Flames24Rulz]

Murphy won't do anything. I'm just hoping Capers is at least gone -- if that happens, at least there's some reason to be optimistic next year. If he's somehow brought back though...lol.

[MickeyDavis]

Although Murphy is the one who control's TT's fate Murphy has stayed on the business side of things his entire tenure. TT was already the GM when Murphy took over. I'm thinking once the Titletown thing is done Murphy may retire and let the next guy figure things out on the football side.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Does anyone know why Adams and Nelson aren't on IR? Why not use those roster spots to give a couple guys a look?

[TJseven]

1st off... MM almost canned capers years ago but didn't want to stray the course. He didn't want to regret a change and at this point I'd assume that's worn off. If it hasn't I really don't know what he's got to do. Secondly, MM should not get fired. We can go as deep into it as you'd wish in regards to his lead mgmt, his stripping away all classic aspects of the wco while implementing none of the new spread/wco basics besides that garbage cross pick cal play or the basic rpo. There's plenty that drives me mad but other than couter who will likely get promoted at caldwells expense who do you want? We missed a shot at mcvey shanny and pederson over the past two years. MM would be a top 3 coaching candidate the moment he's released at minimum. He needs some new blood on his staff to make the offense more diverse but he's not a bad HC by any stretch. Like Reid with childress and Nagy he needs a think tank and needs to look at Payton and Reid and realize they are redefining this offense and he's got to alter and catch up. Third, TT is old sure. 2015 was terrible. 2016 was average. 2017 was a good draft that was plagued by injuries and capers. You are acting a tad spoiled here. King is good despite growing pains and the injuries... jones we confused to death but he flashed, adams had a lost season due to the foot, and the later rounds netted 2 quality backs which was desperately needed. That's a good draft. I've been critical of recent drafts but I really liked this one and I see nothing to change my mind.

[LittleRooster]

1st off... MM almost canned capers years ago but didn't want to stray the course. He didn't want to regret a change and at this point I'd assume that's worn off. If it hasn't I really don't know what he's got to do. Secondly, MM should not get fired. We can go as deep into it as you'd wish in regards to his lead mgmt, his stripping away all classic aspects of the wco while implementing none of the new spread/wco basics besides that garbage cross pick cal play or the basic rpo. There's plenty that drives me mad but other than couter who will likely get promoted at caldwells expense who do you want? We missed a shot at mcvey shanny and pederson over the past two years. MM would be a top 3 coaching candidate the moment he's released at minimum. He needs some new blood on his staff to make the offense more diverse but he's not a bad HC by any stretch. Like Reid with childress and Nagy he needs a think tank and needs to look at Payton and Reid and realize they are redefining this offense and he's got to alter and catch up. Third, TT is old sure. 2015 was terrible. 2016 was average. 2017 was a good draft that was plagued by injuries and capers. You are acting a tad spoiled here. King is good despite growing pains and the injuries... jones we confused to death but he flashed, adams had a lost season due to the foot, and the later rounds netted 2 quality backs which was desperately needed. That's a good draft. I've been critical of recent drafts but I really liked this one and I see nothing to change my mind.

This guy sounds good: https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2017/12/26/16818012/john-defilippo-eagles-quarterback-head-coaching-search-philadelphia-bears-giants-browns-carson-wentz

[MickeyDavis]

Although Murphy is the one who control's TT's fate Murphy has stayed on the business side of things his entire tenure. TT was already the GM when Murphy took over. I'm thinking once the Titletown thing is done Murphy may retire and let the next guy figure things out on the football side.

I'm fine with giving Clark a long look and getting Allison and Davis some PT. We have 3 WR's on the practice squad but Yancey is the only one I would consider bringing up. But for just one game I'd like to see Clark be featured. Sounds like Cobb will be playing, I don't know why though. MM did say he wants to win and is NOT treating this like a preseason game.

[HKPackFan]

Although Murphy is the one who control's TT's fate Murphy has stayed on the business side of things his entire tenure. TT was already the GM when Murphy took over. I'm thinking once the Titletown thing is done Murphy may retire and let the next guy figure things out on the football side.

I'm fine with giving Clark a long look and getting Allison and Davis some PT. We have 3 WR's on the practice squad but Yancey is the only one I would consider bringing up. But for just one game I'd like to see Clark be featured. Sounds like Cobb will be playing, I don't know why though. MM did say he wants to win and is NOT treating this like a preseason game.

TT's knack for hitting home runs with WRs is taking a hit.

Davis and Janis aren't WRs, unfortunately Abby era ended painfully:cry: , Monty is a big ? and was supposed to be a good returner and isn't as good a RB as the rookies, and the WRs from this year's draft didn't make the 53. Monty might still be valuable as a scat back catching the ball in space, type of player, but I think he's just a niche guy at this point.

But the hey days of stud after stud WR every draft are a lot more mixed.

[TankWilson]

Michael clark has stud potential

[TJseven]

1st off... MM almost canned capers years ago but didn't want to stray the course. He didn't want to regret a change and at this point I'd assume that's worn off. If it hasn't I really don't know what he's got to do. Secondly, MM should not get fired. We can go as deep into it as you'd wish in regards to his lead mgmt, his stripping away all classic aspects of the wco while implementing none of the new spread/wco basics besides that garbage cross pick cal play or the basic rpo. There's plenty that drives me mad but other than couter who will likely get promoted at caldwells expense who do you want? We missed a shot at mcvey shanny and pederson over the past two years. MM would be a top 3 coaching candidate the moment he's released at minimum. He needs some new blood on his staff to make the offense more diverse but he's not a bad HC by any stretch. Like Reid with childress and Nagy he needs a think tank and needs to look at Payton and Reid and realize they are redefining this offense and he's got to alter and catch up. Third, TT is old sure. 2015 was terrible. 2016 was average. 2017 was a good draft that was plagued by injuries and capers. You are acting a tad spoiled here. King is good despite growing pains and the injuries... jones we confused to death but he flashed, adams had a lost season due to the foot, and the later rounds netted 2 quality backs which was desperately needed. That's a good draft. I've been critical of recent drafts but I really liked this one and I see nothing to change my mind.

This guy sounds good: https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2017/12/26/16818012/john-defilippo-eagles-quarterback-head-coaching-search-philadelphia-bears-giants-browns-carson-wentz

Im not against him. I'll admit I really don't coach watch all that much and when his name popped up I hadn't heard much about him. Being an OC 1 year will do that. I'll admittedly give him very little credit for MAKING Wentz but Carr has faded every year since he left (like stafford would ebb and flow into his yips if couter wasn't stabilizing him) but its fair to say he sharpened Wentz. The cle numbers look good. Basically saying don't overblow his resume but at least from stop to stop you've seen good things. Would be a perfect guy to be our new OC. Obviously he'll get a full jump to HC so tgat makes it tricky. I've been pointing at couter for a few yesrs now. The lions would be stupid to let him walk out the door. Very few coaching names do a whole lot for me but I'm with you on this one. High energy X-Os with challenges not rah rah. That's what everyone should look for and with mcvey going from a baby to a bye week contender flip will get a ton of attention.

You want him, I'm cool with that. Could be a hard transition for a year but also has been around a team that tool boxed the wr and rb positions so he might know what pieces he needs and be able to tell the FO the traits the offense is missing. A lot of his play calling banter in the article is keep it simple stupid stuff. Half field reads, space oriented and they use their backs. That's about covers my MM complaints but you got to be careful how you do this... because you get him or you keep MM because the alternative is a very likely step back. I'm mildly concerned in general with phillys brain trust because I still can't explain why it took them half a season to realize their offense ran through Ertz but at the same time this explosion wasn't a schedule fluke.

We simply can't step back for more than half a year at this point without wondering if we are going to waste the remainder of rodgers career. We'd have to lock up a very good option like flip before MM gets out the door. Not friendly business but needed. I think I wanted MM out about 4 years ago not that i saw him as bad but he lost his way. You saw the league morphing on offense and he was going the opposite way. But he altered at one point and took a more simple approach (I believe it was the season where you could have a post game presser drinking game where you took a shot every time someone said cover 2 and you'd die). Since that point though its been back to more of the same. Overtly difficult path to yards. Leaning on rodgers timing and ability too much just because you can. NO realized week 5 last year that they had to alter and take the load off Brees who is still fantastic but it would make the offense more potent so why lean on a star for lesser results. Then they went and got kamara who I couldn't stop talking about all year and simple became lethal and now they are a contender.

MM isnt doinf that. If flip can, and it seems like its possible with flip, then you get him for the long haul. Guy could coach for 25 years here. But you dont risk now unless you have 25 years signing on the dotted line.

[TJseven]

Although Murphy is the one who control's TT's fate Murphy has stayed on the business side of things his entire tenure. TT was already the GM when Murphy took over. I'm thinking once the Titletown thing is done Murphy may retire and let the next guy figure things out on the football side.

I'm fine with giving Clark a long look and getting Allison and Davis some PT. We have 3 WR's on the practice squad but Yancey is the only one I would consider bringing up. But for just one game I'd like to see Clark be featured. Sounds like Cobb will be playing, I don't know why though. MM did say he wants to win and is NOT treating this like a preseason game.

TT's knack for hitting home runs with WRs is taking a hit.

Davis and Janis aren't WRs, unfortunately Abby era ended painfully:cry: , Monty is a big ? and was supposed to be a good returner and isn't as good a RB as the rookies, and the WRs from this year's draft didn't make the 53. Monty might still be valuable as a scat back catching the ball in space, type of player, but I think he's just a niche guy at this point.

But the hey days of stud after stud WR every draft are a lot more mixed.

That's not a fair comparison. Jenning jones jordy cobb adams monty were all 2nd and 3rd round guys. Guys like janis Davis are a different type. We run matchup based routes forcing a wr to beat his man or settle in the ever becoming tighter zones due to more speed playing on defense than ever before. Basically... MM runs too much iso and TT hasn't drafted a wr in his wheel house since monty who we have to respect as a good player despite his inability to take a beating due to his condition. Davis is not good but he's still a useful throw away top setter. Think how NO is using ted ginn. Space creator. But thats not what we run. People also pointed to Clark... and dont forget max is also an Nfl wr... although low level. He finds wrs everywhere. But our system asks a ton of them though. If you put adams at 1... ran jordy as a big slot or clark as a run off slot (coleman in NO) and Davis as a throw away top setter, we could essentially hit jones or monty every play. Clark Janis Davis are role (and we dont attack that way) guys and thats like pointing at pitt and saying... eli rogers and even wheaton proves they lost their touch. They didnt... wallace sanders ab bryant juju prove otherwise.

The league is moving more and more towards skill players are disposable on offense and we run a scheme that demands stars at wr. Not wise. Qb OL Ss mike interior dl are running the league.

[bizarro]

Let's wrap this season up with a good loss, gents. No need to muddle things with a victory here.

[HKPackFan]

I hope we get shutout and give up 30 points

[WRau1]

Looks like Capers is gone.