Star Wars Episode VIII - SPOILERS

vallen · Post #581 » by **vallen** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:23 pm

can someone explain the floating leia scene for me ? I just didnt understand it.

shtolky · Post #582 » by **shtolky** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:30 pm

N Y K wrote:Funny how the recent drop in ticket sales coincides with an "I shouldn't have said all those things" from Hamill...

I think the movie is performing just fine. Hamill's comments or not:

"After less than two weeks in theaters, Star Wars: The Last Jedi has surpassed $800 million at the global box office. As of this writing, BoxOfficeMojo puts the movie’s worldwide grosses at more than $815 million, and some box office analysts are predicting that the latest entry into the Star Wars franchise could finish its theatrical run with as much as $1.6 billion.

When all is said and done, The Last Jedi could beat out Avatar ($760.5 million) and Titanic ($659.4) as the second-biggest domestic release of all time behind The Force Awakens‘ staggering $936.7 million domestic haul. Forbes suggests the movie could make over a billion worldwide before the year’s end, and as long as it finishes its run with more than $1.3 billion, it’ll best Beauty and the Beast to become the highest-grossing movie of 2017. That’d be quite the accomplishment for a director whose previous three films combined grossed only $186 million. Not bad, Rian Johnson. Not bad at all."

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #583 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:32 pm

vallen wrote:can someone explain the floating leia scene for me ? I just didnt understand it.

Nobody understands it. :-?

shtolky · Post #584 » by **shtolky** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:32 pm

vallen wrote:can someone explain the floating leia scene for me ? I just didnt understand it.

She gets blown out into space. She's unconscious. She's a Skywalker and she uses the force to pull herself to a ship. What didn't you understand about it (serious question)?

Here is Rian Johnson's explanation:

That was something Kathy [Kennedy] was always asking: Why has this never manifested in Leia? She obviously made a choice, because in Return of the Jedi Luke tells her, 'You have that power too.' I liked the idea that it's not Luke concentrating, reaching for the lightsaber; it's an instinctual survival thing, like when you hear stories of a parent whose toddler is caught under a car and they get superhuman strength, or a drowning person clawing their way to the surface. It's basically just her not being done with the fight yet. I wanted it to happen [for Carrie] and I knew it was going to be a stretch. It's a big moment, and I'm sure it will land different ways for different people, but for me it felt like a really emotionally satisfying thing to see.

IllmaticHandler · Post #585 » by **IllmaticHandler** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:36 pm

So basically he made Leia Float in space because of his own emotions...not that it would make sense. :lol:

Out of all the things he could have her do, to show she had a degree of force ability, he went all the way left just cause....smh

This is just a glimpse into basically why this movie is blah....he prob did a bunch of things based on his emotions, and not logic.

Dantares · Post #586 » by **Dantares** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:45 pm

about that Leia scene, what's so shocking about people strong with the force using abilities for the first time, isn't she as strong with the force as her brother and father? and if you are in space how much force push do you need to get your momentum to drift in one direction.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #587 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:56 pm

Dantares wrote:about that Leia scene, what's so shocking about people strong with the force using abilities for the first time, isn't she as strong with the force as her brother and father? and if you are in space how much force push do you need to get your momentum to drift in one direction.

It was a direct hit to the bridge where everyone else died. If that isn't enough, she is floating in space...with no suit or anything. Also, she has a connection to the force, but it's not as strong as Lukes AND it was completely out of the blue.

shtolky · Post #588 » by **shtolky** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:59 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
Dantares wrote:about that Leia scene, what's so shocking about people strong with the force using abilities for the first time, isn't she as strong with the force as her brother and father? and if you are in space how much force push do you need to get your momentum to drift in one direction.

It was a direct hit to the bridge where everyone else died. If that isn't enough, she is floating in space...with no suit or anything. Also, she has a connection to the force, but it's not as strong as Lukes AND it was completely out of the blue.

To be fair, Luke did some pretty amazing stuff in A New Hope after what, a few hours with Obi-Wan? He used the force to evade Vader in the trench and blew up the friggin death star.

Why wouldn't her connection be as strong as Luke's? Yes obviously he's had training and is a Jedi, etc, but what's stopping her from tapping into it. Also, 35 years have passed since ROTJ, I am assuming she's had SOME training with Luke, and we've seen her mental ability even in the original trilogy. I just think people had an issue with how it was literally shot.

IllmaticHandler · Post #589 » by **IllmaticHandler** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:59 pm

Dantares wrote:about that Leia scene, what's so shocking about people strong with the force using abilities for the first time, isn't she as strong with the force as her brother and father? and if you are in space how much force push do you need to get your momentum to drift in one direction.

Well because even her father or Luke never pulled off a feat that grand using the force the first time in the movies. I also don't think she is equal to them. Not even in the NJO was Leia their equals as a force sensitive. Her children were always strong but not her. She was not taken to great lengths to be hidden like Luke was on Tatoonie is another telling sign. Vader could not even sense she had force ability. So this suggests its not on par with her brother or Father.

Fury · Post #590 » by **Fury** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:02 pm

Loved the movie but the leia scene was mad stupid. She became star lord out of nowhere

3toheadmelo · Post #591 » by **3toheadmelo** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:03 pm

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NBA Fan 1234 · Post #592 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:04 pm

shtolky wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
Dantares wrote:about that Leia scene, what's so shocking about people strong with the force using abilities for the first time, isn't she as strong with the force as her brother and father? and if you are in space how much force push do you need to get your momentum to drift in one direction.

It was a direct hit to the bridge where everyone else died. If that isn't enough, she is floating in space...with no suit or anything. Also, she has a connection to the force, but it's not as strong as Lukes AND it was completely out of the blue.

To be fair, Luke did some pretty amazing stuff in A New Hope after what, a few hours with Obi-Wan? He used the force to evade Vader in the trench and blew up the friggin death star.

Why wouldn't her connection be as strong as Luke's? Yes obviously he's had training and is a Jedi, etc, but what's stopping her from tapping into it. Also, 35 years have passed since ROTJ, I am assuming she's had SOME training with Luke, and we've seen her mental ability even in the original trilogy. I just think people had an issue with how it was literally shot.

What Luke did and what Leia did are very different. In TLJ book (art of the movie or the novelization, I forgot which one), it said Luke wanted her to be his first student but she said no because she wanted to stay in politics. So, she never trained with Luke. Even if she were as strong as Luke (which I guess is possible), she had no training...which we've talked about before and I have no interest in getting into...again.

prophet_of_rage · Post #593 » by **prophet_of_rage** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:05 pm

IllmaticHandler wrote:
Dantares wrote:about that Leia scene, what's so shocking about people strong with the force using abilities for the first time, isn't she as strong with the force as her brother and father? and if you are in space how much force push do you need to get your momentum to drift in one direction.

Well because even her father or Luke never pulled off a feat that grand using the force the first time in the movies. I also don't think she is equal to them. Not even in the NJO was Leia their equals as a force sensitive. Her children were always strong but not her. She was not taken to great lengths to be hidden like Luke was on Tatoonie is another telling sign. Vader could not even sense she had force ability. So this suggests its not on par with her brother or Father.

Or because Lucas made up the Leia is Luke's sister stuff without any real plan. Hence why he had them kiss in New Hope and Empire Strikes back. I mean the scene was weird and didn't even look like she was desperate which would have made it play better. But Leia being able to use the force makes sense since she would have had a similar midichlorian count to Luke being his twin and all.

shtolky · Post #594 » by **shtolky** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:05 pm

IllmaticHandler wrote:
Dantares wrote:about that Leia scene, what's so shocking about people strong with the force using abilities for the first time, isn't she as strong with the force as her brother and father? and if you are in space how much force push do you need to get your momentum to drift in one direction.

Well because even her father or Luke never pulled off a feat that grand using the force the first time in the movies. I also don't think she is equal to them. Not even in the NJO was Leia their equals as a force sensitive. Her children were always strong but not her. She was not taken to great lengths to be hidden like Luke was on Tattoonie is another telling sign. Vader could not even sense she had force ability. So this suggests its not on par with her brother or Father.

In Empire she sensed Luke on Cloud City. In Jedi she knew Luke wasn't dead, "he's not, I can feel it." And in TFA, she senses immediately when Han is dead. And a lot of time has passed since ROTJ, wouldn't it be feasible Luke taught her something. Luke even mentions "that mighty Skywalker blood." Sure, we don't see her train but it's not far fetched that she could tap into something like that. Now, sure, we never saw her use the force in a physical sense, but it's not as if she's a total novice.

Also, Luke blew up the death star which is a pretty big feat. Anakin won the podrace and destroyed that ship at the end. I'm not familiar with the EU so I can't comment on that, but I think it's a valid question as to why she wouldn't also be super duper strong with the force.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #595 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:05 pm

Fury wrote:Loved the movie but the leia scene was mad stupid. She became star lord out of nowhere

IllmaticHandler · Post #596 » by **IllmaticHandler** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:06 pm

Fury wrote:Loved the movie but the leia scene was mad stupid. She became star lord out of nowhere

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prophet_of_rage · Post #597 » by **prophet_of_rage** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:06 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
shtolky wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
It was a direct hit to the bridge where everyone else died. If that isn't enough, she is floating in space...with no suit or anything. Also, she has a connection to the force, but it's not as strong as Lukes AND it was completely out of the blue.

To be fair, Luke did some pretty amazing stuff in A New Hope after what, a few hours with Obi-Wan? He used the force to evade Vader in the trench and blew up the friggin death star.

Why wouldn't her connection be as strong as Luke's? Yes obviously he's had training and is a Jedi, etc, but what's stopping her from tapping into it. Also, 35 years have passed since ROTJ, I am assuming she's had SOME training with Luke, and we've seen her mental ability even in the original trilogy. I just think people had an issue with how it was literally shot.

What Luke did and what Leia did are very different. In TLJ book (art of the movie or the novelization, I forgot which one), it said Luke wanted her to be his first student but she said no because she wanted to stay in politics. So, she never trained with Luke. Even if she were as strong as Luke (which I guess is possible), she had no training...which we've talked about before and I have no interest in getting into...again.

That wouldn't require training. That would just be an instinctive usage. I don't think you need training to access the force. Just how to use it responsibly. It's like driving a car, I guess.

shtolky · Post #598 » by **shtolky** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:07 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
shtolky wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
It was a direct hit to the bridge where everyone else died. If that isn't enough, she is floating in space...with no suit or anything. Also, she has a connection to the force, but it's not as strong as Lukes AND it was completely out of the blue.

To be fair, Luke did some pretty amazing stuff in A New Hope after what, a few hours with Obi-Wan? He used the force to evade Vader in the trench and blew up the friggin death star.

Why wouldn't her connection be as strong as Luke's? Yes obviously he's had training and is a Jedi, etc, but what's stopping her from tapping into it. Also, 35 years have passed since ROTJ, I am assuming she's had SOME training with Luke, and we've seen her mental ability even in the original trilogy. I just think people had an issue with how it was literally shot.

What Luke did and what Leia did are very different. In TLJ book (art of the movie or the novelization, I forgot which one), it said Luke wanted her to be his first student but she said no because she wanted to stay in politics. So, she never trained with Luke. Even if she were as strong as Luke (which I guess is possible), she had no training...which we've talked about before and I have no interest in getting into...again.

Might be a nitpick, but just because she wasn't a formal student of his doesn't mean he didn't teach her some stuff along the way. Plus, as we've seen with Rey, sometimes you just have a natural talent. She didn't have training in the OT but we saw her use the force twice. And you WILL debate me on this...no just kidding I don't care either. It's been beaten to death.

Dantares · Post #599 » by **Dantares** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:08 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
Dantares wrote:about that Leia scene, what's so shocking about people strong with the force using abilities for the first time, isn't she as strong with the force as her brother and father? and if you are in space how much force push do you need to get your momentum to drift in one direction.

It was a direct hit to the bridge where everyone else died. If that isn't enough, she is floating in space...with no suit or anything. Also, she has a connection to the force, but it's not as strong as Lukes AND it was completely out of the blue.

It's implied the hit was just enough to knock her unconscious. you're absolutely right abut having no suit, the force shouldn't be able to protect her from surviving the rigors of space lol.

but even if she wasn't as strong with the force as anakin and luke there is no doubt in my mind her connection with the force is extremely strong and if she had practiced in the jedi ways instead of becoming a senator then she would have been a great jedi, luke even said that if he didn't come back she would be the last hope. I just like to think of that scene as a survival instinct. to me its cooler that she did it out of the blue instead of having a wise older jedi standing watching standing over her.

I mean rey used the force instinctively in the first movie. I think closing her eyes and defeating kylo ren was less believeable than Leia using force telekinesis n space which shouldn;t take that much push.

N Y K · Post #600 » by **N Y K** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:09 pm

Leia scene was pretty bad... it didn't do anything for the story... and looks worse considering (sadly) she won't be around to turn that scene into anything more in the next chapter.