Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1

[Eoghan]

He's like, 46 years old now? Still can't be worse than MCW.

[Diop]

I didn't know Joe Johnson was still in the league.

he's been a scrub this year but he was very solid for Utah last year

he was fantastic for them last year, continued his streak of clutch shots

[Benjamin Linus]

Not sure how I feel about Marvin for Rubio. As much as we need a backup PG, we can't really afford to add another non-shooter while also losing one of our few decent shooters. I think I'd be more inclined to trade Batum for Rubio and Joe.

Rubio-Monk-Graham-Frank-Cody is a solid bench. Only problem is, it would be tough to play Rubio much minutes with the starters. I guess you could either immediately sub MKG out of the lineup or replace Dwight with Frank. Rubio+MKG+Dwight or Rubio+MKG+Cody should never see the floor together.

[Diop]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1652201&p=61566140#p61566140

I like this trade for a new backup.

Batum for J. Grant, E. Moore, 2019 NOP 2nd

Jerian Grant has been pretty good this year with 8.7pts 4.9assts in 22 minutes with 33% three point shooting. Automatic upgrade of MCW for the minimum.

E. Moore has been red hot from 3 this year and would be a handy 6'4 swing guard.

I'd be tempted to start Moore for his shooting, keep Lamb to drive the bench offence with Grant.

For the trade I also like Batum at Pelicans, not sure about Chicago spending that much for a 1st round pick though

[stinger14]

Cha out: Batum
Cha in: Brandon Ingram and Lol Deng

Yes Deng sucks, but his contract is 5 million less than Batum this year, and Batum contract only gets bigger. Also, Deng has one year less on his contract. Hornets also get a potential future star in Ingram.

LA out: Ingram and Deng
LA in: Paul George

Obvious here, Lakers get their guy in George and she'd Deng's contract at the same time. They would not include Ingram to dump Deng. They would not include Ingram to acquire George. But maybe they include him to do both and go after Lebron.

OKC out: George
OKC in: Batum and ???? Maybe picks

Batum fits perfect in OKC with Westbrook, Carmelo, and Adams. Batum could play his natural position of SF and would provide OKC with a longterm contract unlike George.

The salaries all work in this trade, the question is what else does OKC need? Would they be good the way the trade is, would they need one or two 2nd rounders?

[catch20two]

We should trade the whole roster and future draft picks except for Kemba for Anthony Davis if the rumors are true in which I believe there’s smoke.

[Diop]

We should trade the whole roster and future draft picks except for Kemba for Anthony Davis if the rumors are true in which I believe there’s smoke.

with our medical record he will play 20 games a season

[catch20two]

We should trade the whole roster and future draft picks except for Kemba for Anthony Davis if the rumors are true in which I believe there’s smoke.

with our medical record he will play 20 games a season

Can’t be much worse than the reciprocal of Cody.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Charlotte in: Joe Johnson & Julius Randle
The Hornets will use Randle this year to solidify both the PF and C rotation, which has been badly disrupted by Cody Zeller’s injury. Joe Johnson is there mostly for veteran leadership and to open up cap space which will likely be used to resign Randle next summer.

Utah in: Mavin Williams and Julyan Stone
Mav returns to Utah, where he played great a few years ago. He’s either start or come off the bench as needed. He’s been good in Charlotte this year and the Hornets will miss him. Stone is there mostly for matching $.

LAL in: Jonas Jerebko and a Charlotte 2019 pick that is lottery protected
This is a minor cap space move for the Lakers. They were unlikely to bring Randle back, given his cap hold and their desire for some big name free agents. With this trade they get a reasonable short-term replacement and first round pick back for him.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9cukokk

[316Hornets]

Charlotte in: Joe Johnson & Julius Randle
The Hornets will use Randle this year to solidify both the PF and C rotation, which has been badly disrupted by Cody Zeller’s injury. Joe Johnson is there mostly for veteran leadership and to open up cap space which will likely be used to resign Randle next summer.

Utah in: Mavin Williams and Julyan Stone
Mav returns to Utah, where he played great a few years ago. He’s either start or come off the bench as needed. He’s been good in Charlotte this year and the Hornets will miss him. Stone is there mostly for matching $.

LAL in: Jonas Jerebko and a Charlotte 2019 pick that is lottery protected
This is a minor cap space move for the Lakers. They were unlikely to bring Randle back, given his cap hold and their desire for some big name free agents. With this trade they get a reasonable short-term replacement and first round pick back for him.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9cukokk

I like the trade, but just don't see where Joe Johnson fits on this team. We'd have to move Batum to the 3 and what are the chances the current coaching staff would do that? They seem pretty set in their ways that Batum is an oversized 2 that can't shoot.

[CatgutStitches]

I normally am a big fan of continuity, but this team needs to do something to shake things up...at the very least we need some salary relief and some upside...any thoughts on these? Still need a little work but it gets us some players I "theoretically" like:

Trade 1: To Philly - Marvin Williams & a protected 1st
To CHA - Dario Saric & Jerryd Bayless

Marvin is solid and should bring veteran leadership and defense to their young big rotation...and a first is always valuable, but as long as its lottery protected/turns into 2nd's or something it should be fine. This gets us a decent shooting backup PG (got to be better than MCW) that Philly wont need once Fultz comes back as well as a player in Saric who Ive always liked as a glue guy with solid upside. Philly will have a lot of decisions to make in the coming years about extending their young guys so he may be able to be stolen.

Trade 2: To Orlando - Nic Batum & Johnny OBryant
To CHA - Bizmack Biyombo & Mario Hezonja (& protected pick?)

We get out of Nics terrible contract for Biz's slightly smaller, slightly shorter terrible contract. Gives us a stopgap backup C for Cody's absences. And of course he has much love on this forum. Also grabs us Mario who could probably use a change of scenery....been a trainwreck but still a ton of upside and gives us a chance to try him out and see if hes worth extending. We could use another guy that can play the 3/4 anyway. Gives the Magic an actual solid vet who should pair well with Fornier and a big with some upside in JOB. I feel like we arent getting enough in return but most of their young guys are too valuable and their vets are mostly useless...so i guess the same type of protected pick situation as the other trade.

Final Roster

Kemba - Bayless - MCW - Stone
Lamb - Treveon - Monk
MKG - Mario - Bacon
Saric - Frank
Dwight - Cody - Biyombo

Mario can play the 4 also (so can Treveon in small ball lineups) and plenty of guard versatility with the length of MCW and Stone in a pinch. Saric replaces some of Nics playmaking ability but with way more upside and without his contract. In this situation the draft picks are basically a wash...any thoughts?

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I like the trade, but just don't see where Joe Johnson fits on this team. We'd have to move Batum to the 3 and what are the chances the current coaching staff would do that? They seem pretty set in their ways that Batum is an oversized 2 that can't shoot.

Joe Johnson is currently coming off the bench for Utah averaging 20 mpg. He's 36 years old and has been in the league since 2001. I wouldn't expect him to play more here. If anything he would probably play less. His real roles in this trade are - that he is an expiring contract, so that Randle can be resigned - and that he has been to the playoffs a bazillion times, so he can share that experience if the team makes it this year.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I normally am a big fan of continuity, but this team needs to do something to shake things up...at the very least we need some salary relief and some upside...any thoughts on these? Still need a little work but it gets us some players I "theoretically" like:

Trade 1: To Philly - Marvin Williams & a protected 1st
To CHA - Dario Saric & Jerryd Bayless

Marvin is solid and should bring veteran leadership and defense to their young big rotation...and a first is always valuable, but as long as its lottery protected/turns into 2nd's or something it should be fine. This gets us a decent shooting backup PG (got to be better than MCW) that Philly wont need once Fultz comes back as well as a player in Saric who Ive always liked as a glue guy with solid upside. Philly will have a lot of decisions to make in the coming years about extending their young guys so he may be able to be stolen.

Trade 2: To Orlando - Nic Batum & Johnny OBryant
To CHA - Bizmack Biyombo & Mario Hezonja (& protected pick?)

We get out of Nics terrible contract for Biz's slightly smaller, slightly shorter terrible contract. Gives us a stopgap backup C for Cody's absences. And of course he has much love on this forum. Also grabs us Mario who could probably use a change of scenery....been a trainwreck but still a ton of upside and gives us a chance to try him out and see if hes worth extending. We could use another guy that can play the 3/4 anyway. Gives the Magic an actual solid vet who should pair well with Fornier and a big with some upside in JOB. I feel like we arent getting enough in return but most of their young guys are too valuable and their vets are mostly useless...so i guess the same type of protected pick situation as the other trade.

Final Roster

Kemba - Bayless - MCW - Stone
Lamb - Treveon - Monk
MKG - Mario - Bacon
Saric - Frank
Dwight - Cody - Biyombo

Mario can play the 4 also (so can Treveon in small ball lineups) and plenty of guard versatility with the length of MCW and Stone in a pinch. Saric replaces some of Nics playmaking ability but with way more upside and without his contract. In this situation the draft picks are basically a wash...any thoughts?

Too many picks going out for too marginal a gain here IMHO. I would LOL at having Biz back though. I would give extra points if the front office brought Biz back after a hypothetical Cliff return. Losing Nic for Biz would drive him nuts.

[JDR720]

Yes to the first, no to the second.

Dont think Philly does it though

[CatgutStitches]

It is marginal gain, but thats what makes it work...noone is really getting fleeced IMO. Plus, to be clear, we are sending out a protected pick and getting one back from ORL...so at worst a wash. And agreed, the LOLz were part of the equation with Biz : D

This trade was really more of a way for us to shake things up with some higher upside guys whos skill sets that I personally like, as well as reduce our future payroll.

[Benjamin Linus]

Monk & Frank for D'Angelo Russell

Random idea of the morning... I don't think Brooklyn does this, however. They finally have their 2019 pick, so looking at it from that angle, this might help them be worse next year, not to mention D'Angelo is nearing the end of his rookie pay scale. Still, probably not enough?

I'm still bullish on Monk, so it's not like I'm trying to quickly sell him off like we did Vonleh... but I do like Russell though.

[babyjax13]

Utah trades/Charlotte receives: Rodney Hood, Joe Johnson, Raul Neto, Jonas Jerebko
Charlotte trades/Utah receives: Nicolas Batum, 2018 CHA 1st (unprotected?)

OR

Hood/Johnson/Neto for Williams/2018 CHA 1st (top 5 protected?)

[Braggins]

Utah trades/Charlotte receives: Rodney Hood, Joe Johnson, Raul Neto, Jonas Jerebko
Charlotte trades/Utah receives: Nicolas Batum, 2018 CHA 1st (unprotected?)

OR

Hood/Johnson/Neto for Williams/2018 CHA 1st (top 5 protected?)

We would be insane to give up our pick this year. We are way too bad. Hood is nice, but we need another franchise level player and he is not that.

Our 2019 1st might be a possibility, but it would probably need to have a little better initial protection and we'd have to be really confident that we will hit on our next draft pick and that the Hood + a top 5 pick is enough to right the ship. Its probably still too risky for us, though.

[babyjax13]

Utah trades/Charlotte receives: Rodney Hood, Joe Johnson, Raul Neto, Jonas Jerebko
Charlotte trades/Utah receives: Nicolas Batum, 2018 CHA 1st (unprotected?)

OR

Hood/Johnson/Neto for Williams/2018 CHA 1st (top 5 protected?)

We would be insane to give up our pick this year. We are way too bad. Hood is nice, but we need another franchise level player and he is not that.

Our 2019 1st might be a possibility, but it would probably need to have a little better initial protection and we'd have to be really confident that we will hit on our next draft pick and that the Hood + a top 5 pick is enough to right the ship. Its probably still too risky for us, though.

I can see that. My assumption would be that Hood would probably make that pick end up around 10-14 and the protection prevents it from jumping while you also dump Batum. IMO, Hood is worth a pick from 10-14 on his own pretty easily (18/3/3 41% 3 pt shooter), but of course, that's not really the debate. If you don't take this package I assume Charlotte continues to falter and you have a better shot at a franchise-altering talent, so that's the real debate. Given the MO of your front office I'd assume an attempt will be made to make the playoffs (that will likely fail) so given that attempt I would assume that dumping Batum would be best case scenario. But I totally agree with you.

[316Hornets]

Utah trades/Charlotte receives: Rodney Hood, Joe Johnson, Raul Neto, Jonas Jerebko
Charlotte trades/Utah receives: Nicolas Batum, 2018 CHA 1st (unprotected?)

OR

Hood/Johnson/Neto for Williams/2018 CHA 1st (top 5 protected?)

We would be insane to give up our pick this year. We are way too bad. Hood is nice, but we need another franchise level player and he is not that.

Our 2019 1st might be a possibility, but it would probably need to have a little better initial protection and we'd have to be really confident that we will hit on our next draft pick and that the Hood + a top 5 pick is enough to right the ship. Its probably still too risky for us, though.

I can see that. My assumption would be that Hood would probably make that pick end up around 10-14 and the protection prevents it from jumping while you also dump Batum. IMO, Hood is worth a pick from 10-14 on his own pretty easily (18/3/3 41% 3 pt shooter), but of course, that's not really the debate. If you don't take this package I assume Charlotte continues to falter and you have a better shot at a franchise-altering talent, so that's the real debate. Given the MO of your front office I'd assume an attempt will be made to make the playoffs (that will likely fail) so given that attempt I would assume that dumping Batum would be best case scenario. But I totally agree with you.

You forgot to mention Hood's DBPM of -2.8 and his DRPM is slightly above Monks at -2.36, in other words he's playing absolutely terrible defense. The only player of the 4 that even resembles a player we'd like to add to our rotation is Jonas Jerebko. So, I'm with the idea of a 2019 1st, but 2018 unprotected 1st would be out of the question.