Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV

[NatP4]

Remember when I proposed Wall for CP3 and Capela and got roasted by half of this board? Lol

[pcbothwel]

An attempt to get under the lux tax: Teague just went down in Minny with a knee sprain and they need a patchwork PG that plays defense and distributes.
1) Frazier and CMC for Aaron Brooks, Georges-Hunt, and their 2nd (#55)
Why? Brooks can still give us spot minutes next to Sato as a scorer and we go from 5.85M over tax to 5.2M over... Just under Smith's salary.

2) Smith plus two 2nds (50 & 55) to either Pacers or Suns.

*** Im not sure about Brooks contract and if its guaranteed or not. If not, we could waive him and then be able to take back some salary in a trade.

[bsilver]

What are thoughts on Alex Len here? He's showing a monster rebounding rate this year, in a contract year though--but if he can keep that rebounding rate up then I think it raises his ceiling as a player pretty considerably. He's been really healthy the last two seasons. Both he and Monroe are in contract years--Phoenix is a tanking team, and I've got to think they aren't particularly sure one way or the other about a Monroe/Len extension at this point.

If they'd entertain Meeks and Mahinmi for both, plus our first... it's something I'd need to think about. That would net them 3 first rounders in this draft. I don't think taking on the Mahinmi contract would bother them that much, but taking on his contract and giving positive (albeit expiring) assets in the bargain may make this trade a bit *too* favorable for us, though the Phoenix FO could be thrilled with getting a first for two guys they have no intention of keeping, while not being bothered with Mahinimi's deal.

I think we'd be able to keep both for something a little more than what we'd have been paying Ian/Meeks. I can see Len getting something around 10 million a year, and perhaps the same for Greg.

I can't say I'm sure about it, but it could check the boxes of being a win now move, a young developing asset talent, and fixing some cap concerns (Mahinmi) all in one. Still, I hesitate on it. What do you guys think?

Len would be an improvement at C, and probably better than we could do in the draft.
But why would Phoenix be the slight bit interested? As mentioned they already have 2 picks. They're obviously looking to go into 2018-9 and beyond with a lot of cap space. Maybe going after Cousins? Taking on bad multi-year contracts like Mahinmi/Meeks seems to go completely against their strategy.

[babyjax13]

Favors for Gortat+lottery protected 1st? Or Favors+Sefelosha for Mahimni+Oubre+lotto protected 1st?

[dangermouse]

Favors for Gortat+lottery protected 1st? Or Favors+Sefelosha for Mahimni+Oubre+lotto protected 1st?

I'd do the first one, definitely. Gortat and Wall have great chemistry, but he can probably work just as well in the pick and roll with Rubio while Gobert is out.

I like Favors as our C in our defensive schemes. Can switch and defend smaller guys, and defend outside the paint too.

Favors/Porter/Oubre/Beal/Wall is a fast and versatile lineup, if a little undersized.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Keep the pick.

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[Dark Faze]

Wouldn't trade a pick for Favors. For a second his career was thought to be over

[Dark Faze]

But why would Phoenix be the slight bit interested? As mentioned they already have 2 picks. They're obviously looking to go into 2018-9 and beyond with a lot of cap space. Maybe going after Cousins? Taking on bad multi-year contracts like Mahinmi/Meeks seems to go completely against their strategy.

Haven't seen too many fans who are in love with Len and you can never have too many first round picks. Free agency wise...it's not a good time to be relying on that. Nearly every franchise player is signed through the next four seasons. If Phoenix is going to improve, internal development will be their best shot, and they need as many picks as possible.

It's also not as easy as you think to just reload year over year with guys on one year deals. Even a lot of mediocre players won't settle for less than a two year deal with the second as a player option. Mahinmi's deal is pretty good for a tanking team because he won't complain and can fall off the cap neatly down the road. Compare that to say, trying to keep Monroe satisfied but on a short contract.

[daoneandonly]

Hey Wiz fans, hope all is well. mavs fan here who was wondering if you guys would be interested in JJ Barea? He's a solid backup PG who runs the PnR ver well, attacks well, but not much of a defender due to his size. But I think given his championship level experience and fighting mentality, he'd be a great addition to the Wiz's bench

Dallas needs more size at the wing spot, so figured they could use Tomas Satoransky, not sure how the Wiz value him. A Sato/Mac for Barea swap works salary wise, any interest? is it fair at all?

[pcbothwel]

Favors for Gortat+lottery protected 1st? Or Favors+Sefelosha for Mahimni+Oubre+lotto protected 1st?

No chance. He's outplayed by Gobert and Udoh at Center, as well as Jerebko at PF. Hes an 11M expiring on top of it.

[pcbothwel]

Hey Wiz fans, hope all is well. mavs fan here who was wondering if you guys would be interested in JJ Barea? He's a solid backup PG who runs the PnR ver well, attacks well, but not much of a defender due to his size. But I think given his championship level experience and fighting mentality, he'd be a great addition to the Wiz's bench

Dallas needs more size at the wing spot, so figured they could use Tomas Satoransky, not sure how the Wiz value him. A Sato/Mac for Barea swap works salary wise, any interest? is it fair at all?

Zero interest in that trade. The only player on our roster I would trade for Barea is Mahinmi and Jason Smith.

[daoneandonly]

Hey Wiz fans, hope all is well. mavs fan here who was wondering if you guys would be interested in JJ Barea? He's a solid backup PG who runs the PnR ver well, attacks well, but not much of a defender due to his size. But I think given his championship level experience and fighting mentality, he'd be a great addition to the Wiz's bench

Dallas needs more size at the wing spot, so figured they could use Tomas Satoransky, not sure how the Wiz value him. A Sato/Mac for Barea swap works salary wise, any interest? is it fair at all?

Zero interest in that trade. The only player on our roster I would trade for Barea is Mahinmi and Jason Smith.

Isn't there a rule about on RealGm about countering with terrible lobsided offers? While the one I posted may not be good, no team should ever or will ever have to take Mahinmi's contract. And Smith sucks.

[payitforward]

What are thoughts on Alex Len here? He's showing a monster rebounding rate this year, in a contract year though--but if he can keep that rebounding rate up then I think it raises his ceiling as a player pretty considerably. He's been really healthy the last two seasons. Both he and Monroe are in contract years --Phoenix is a tanking team, and I've got to think they aren't particularly sure one way or the other about a Monroe/Len extension at this point.

If they'd entertain Meeks and Mahinmi for both, plus our first... it's something I'd need to think about.

...I think the deal works for both sides, the question really is if we think it's worth missing out on whatever young talent we would have a chance at with pick 20 or so. Personally, I think Len could probably be Gortat 2.0 in a younger, larger body. That's not particularly great, but in picking up a helpful bench player like Monroe and losing the Mahinmi contract in the bargain, while also freeing up Gortat to be moved in another deal, well, it's worth thinking about.

And remember, Phoenix chose to relinquish their rights to him after this season - that's how much they thought of him going into this season. He's got great rebounding numbers, but he's far from a great player and not the type of player that most teams are going for.

First time I looked at it, I didn't notice that you were suggesting dealing Mahinmi, Meeks & our R1 pick for both Monroe & Len. Aside from giving away a R1 pick for 2 guys who will be unrestricted FAs in a few months, an idea I think makes no sense except in an absolute emergency, you have just added something over $2m to our salary this year. Given the tax, that might wind up being closer to $5m.

You predicate it on dealing Gortat, which might or might not solve the tax problem, but unless we traded him for a Center, the result of all these maneuvers would be that we didn't have even a single Center on the team next year! Mahinmi, Meeks, Gortat & a mid-R1 pick would be gone, & we would have... whoever we got for Gortat. That's it.

[payitforward]

Remember when I proposed Wall for CP3 and Capela and got roasted by half of this board? Lol

Actually, no, I don't. Please link to it.

I'd roast that trade, for sure -- i.e. Houston would never make that trade. No team would.

[payitforward]

Hey Wiz fans, hope all is well. mavs fan here who was wondering if you guys would be interested in JJ Barea? He's a solid backup PG who runs the PnR ver well, attacks well, but not much of a defender due to his size. But I think given his championship level experience and fighting mentality, he'd be a great addition to the Wiz's bench

Dallas needs more size at the wing spot, so figured they could use Tomas Satoransky, not sure how the Wiz value him. A Sato/Mac for Barea swap works salary wise, any interest? is it fair at all?

Zero interest in that trade. The only player on our roster I would trade for Barea is Mahinmi and Jason Smith.

Isn't there a rule about on RealGm about countering with terrible lobsided offers? While the one I posted may not be good, no team should ever or will ever have to take Mahinmi's contract. And Smith sucks.

I don't know about rules, but pcbothwei didn't actually counter w/ an offer; he said what he'd be interested in is all.

Still, why ever would Dallas be interested in either of those guys?

As to your suggested deal, Barea is on his way to being 34. Good tho he is, I can't see a reason to bring him on in place of Satoransky.

Edit -- hey, daone... what is your take on Noel?

[Dark Faze]

First time I looked at it, I didn't notice that you were suggesting dealing Mahinmi, Meeks & our R1 pick for both Monroe & Len. Aside from giving away a R1 pick for 2 guys who will be unrestricted FAs in a few months, an idea I think makes no sense except in an absolute emergency, you have just added something over $2m to our salary this year. Given the tax, that might wind up being closer to $5m.

You predicate it on dealing Gortat, which might or might not solve the tax problem, but unless we traded him for a Center, the result of all these maneuvers would be that we didn't have even a single Center on the team next year! Mahinmi, Meeks, Gortat & a mid-R1 pick would be gone, & we would have... whoever we got for Gortat. That's it.

You're not giving any detail of why we wouldn't be able to keep both guys. What are you anticipating both players will make? Because Mahinmi and Meeks represent 20 million of our cap next season. Dedmon got 7 million last summer, Olynyk got 12.5 as a stretch 5 which are always in high demand. I don't see either getting much on the open market.

[babyjax13]

Favors for Gortat+lottery protected 1st? Or Favors+Sefelosha for Mahimni+Oubre+lotto protected 1st?

No chance. He's outplayed by Gobert and Udoh at Center, as well as Jerebko at PF. Hes an 11M expiring on top of it.

You don't know what you are talking about. 16/9/2 as a starting center is not getting "outplayed". He doesn't fit in a frontcourt with GOBERT which depresses his stats, but Rudy is the only post player on the roster who is "better" (Favors is a better 2 way player).

[pcbothwel]

Favors for Gortat+lottery protected 1st? Or Favors+Sefelosha for Mahimni+Oubre+lotto protected 1st?

No chance. He's outplayed by Gobert and Udoh at Center, as well as Jerebko at PF. Hes an 11M expiring on top of it.

You don't know what you are talking about. 16/9/2 as a starting center is not getting "outplayed". He doesn't fit in a frontcourt with GOBERT which depresses his stats, but Rudy is the only post player on the roster who is "better" (Favors is a better 2 way player).

Lol. Ok bud. You can argue about Udoh being better or not, Im cool with that. But the fact us you're not getting a 1st and Oubre for Favors.
Cleveland should be who you call.
Gortat is having just as good of a year, if not better than Favors. So it doesnt give us an upgrade and we'd have to re-sign him this summer.

[babyjax13]

No chance. He's outplayed by Gobert and Udoh at Center, as well as Jerebko at PF. Hes an 11M expiring on top of it.

You don't know what you are talking about. 16/9/2 as a starting center is not getting "outplayed". He doesn't fit in a frontcourt with GOBERT which depresses his stats, but Rudy is the only post player on the roster who is "better" (Favors is a better 2 way player).

Lol. Ok bud. You can argue about Udoh being better or not, Im cool with that. But the fact us you're not getting a 1st and Oubre for Favors.
Cleveland should be who you call.
Gortat is having just as good of a year, if not better than Favors. So it doesnt give us an upgrade and we'd have to re-sign him this summer.

Oubre is for moving Mahimni And Gortat isn't having as good of a year as Favors, especially at center. 9/8/2 in 27 minutes is not nearly as productive as 16/9/2 on 29 minutes. I'm cool with you not wanting to make that trade (personally I think it's reasonable and makes Washington quite a bit better), but it really helps to do some research. Favors is a massive upgrade, and there is little to no competition to resign him in the summer.

[NatP4]

Remember when I proposed Wall for CP3 and Capela and got roasted by half of this board? Lol

Actually, no, I don't. Please link to it.

I'd roast that trade, for sure -- i.e. Houston would never make that trade. No team would.

I’m not going to go back and find it, but you jumped in saying just that, Houston would never do it because Chris Paul is the greatest PG of all time possibly.