Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1

[Benjamin Linus]

I like Hood. He has legitimately became one of the best three-point shooters this season. He's seventh in 3PM per game and of those ahead of him, only two are shooting a higher percentage from three. Not to mention, he's averaging 17.7 points per game in only 29 minutes.

If you're starting MKG, you really need to go heavy on outside shooting to make up for it. Something we haven't really done. Maybe it's a weird way to look at it, but MKG is getting you 0 three's a game. If you have Hood and Kemba each making around 3 three's a game, getting 6 made threes out of your starting PG-SG-SF per game isn't too bad. Plus, you have the option to go Kemba-Lamb-Hood for extra offense.

Downside is, Hood is pretty bad defensively, gets hurt a lot, and is due for a new contract. Plus, we've been suckered in many times to players playing well in contract years. No way I'm giving up an unprotected pick, but I might consider a top-ten protected pick (that stays top-ten protected in the future) for Hood and taking on Batum's contract.

[Benjamin Linus]

Having said that, this is what will happen if we made that trade... Hood will perennially miss 25+ games a year, his 3pt percentages will plummet, his contract will become unmovable, and there will be at least five All-Star level players drafted in the range of the pick we traded away.

[babyjax13]

We would be insane to give up our pick this year. We are way too bad. Hood is nice, but we need another franchise level player and he is not that.

Our 2019 1st might be a possibility, but it would probably need to have a little better initial protection and we'd have to be really confident that we will hit on our next draft pick and that the Hood + a top 5 pick is enough to right the ship. Its probably still too risky for us, though.

I can see that. My assumption would be that Hood would probably make that pick end up around 10-14 and the protection prevents it from jumping while you also dump Batum. IMO, Hood is worth a pick from 10-14 on his own pretty easily (18/3/3 41% 3 pt shooter), but of course, that's not really the debate. If you don't take this package I assume Charlotte continues to falter and you have a better shot at a franchise-altering talent, so that's the real debate. Given the MO of your front office I'd assume an attempt will be made to make the playoffs (that will likely fail) so given that attempt I would assume that dumping Batum would be best case scenario. But I totally agree with you.

You forgot to mention Hood's DBPM of -2.8 and his DRPM is slightly above Monks at -2.36, in other words he's playing absolutely terrible defense. The only player of the 4 that even resembles a player we'd like to add to our rotation is Jonas Jerebko. So, I'm with the idea of a 2019 1st, but 2018 unprotected 1st would be out of the question.

That statistic is also a large aberration from where he is normally at. He's not a great defender, but he is competent enough that teams don't specifically try to get him in a switch. Personally I think moving Batum is going to be hard without attaching a high pick, especially if you are getting useful players in return. But again, I totally get swinging for the franchise altering talent because the top of this draft is nuts. Also I'm pretty sure I had the 2018 pick as top 5 protected. I just really want Kevin Knox. Maybe I'm crazy, though.

[Benjamin Linus]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9z8c9ey

Charlotte out: Dwight & Batum
Charlotte in: Rubio, Faried, Henson, Johnson

Denver out: Faried
Denver in: Dellavedova

Utah out: Rubio & Johnson
Utah in: Batum

Milwaukee out: Henson & Dellavedova
Milwaukee in: Dwight

Starters: Kemba-Lamb-MKG-Marvin-Cody
Bench: Rubio-Monk-Graham-Frank-(Faried/Henson)

We get out of Dwight and Batum's contracts and finally upgrade our backup PG spot. Never have been a fan of Rubio or Faried but I think they work with our bench. We sorely need a vet that can run the second unit like Rubio, who could be good for guys like Monk, Frank, and Graham. Faried could be pair well with Frank, who could use an athletic, physical player next to him that can switch between the 4 and 5 depending on matchups. Henson's contract isn't good, but he's a decent fill-in when Cody misses time.

[bravor]

What about this one ?

Imo it works for everyone (knowing only 1M is guaranteed on 2019 year for Hill). You fix the defense to a certain level (especially on the pnr) you strengthen the bench (as long as you wish to keep Lamb while he is cheap), and you draft a better pf (or a sf/pf since this draft is loaded with potential game changers at that position, knowing i would not draft the undersized ones like Bridge - or whatever is his name, basically a crash level guy) and a new young center to develop (defensive minded).
Mahinmi will be a nice expiring in two years, especially if his defense remains the same.

Obviously, i am above all trying to re unit Hill & Mahinmi (to run the 2nd unit).

[Benjamin Linus]

I'm cool with that too. Mahinmi's contract is a bit long, but I like Hill more than Rubio.

[skywalker33]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9z8c9ey

Charlotte out: Dwight & Batum
Charlotte in: Rubio, Faried, Henson, Johnson

Denver out: Faried
Denver in: Dellavedova

Utah out: Rubio & Johnson
Utah in: Batum

Milwaukee out: Henson & Dellavedova
Milwaukee in: Dwight

Starters: Kemba-Lamb-MKG-Marvin-Cody
Bench: Rubio-Monk-Graham-Frank-(Faried/Henson)

We get out of Dwight and Batum's contracts and finally upgrade our backup PG spot. Never have been a fan of Rubio or Faried but I think they work with our bench. We sorely need a vet that can run the second unit like Rubio, who could be good for guys like Monk, Frank, and Graham. Faried could be pair well with Frank, who could use an athletic, physical player next to him that can switch between the 4 and 5 depending on matchups. Henson's contract isn't good, but he's a decent fill-in when Cody misses time.

Please explain to me, why Denver would want to pay $10M for the next TWO YEAR beyond this years for a backup PG when we will be done with's Faried's contract after next year ???

[Benjamin Linus]

Please explain to me, why Denver would want to pay $10M for the next TWO YEAR beyond this years for a backup PG when we will be done with's Faried's contract after next year ???

1. "Please explain to me" LOL

2. How many year?

3. That is an odd way of saying Delly's contract is a year longer. Sorry, I'm in a silly mood and for whatever reason your post is cracking me up.

[babyjax13]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9z8c9ey

Charlotte out: Dwight & Batum
Charlotte in: Rubio, Faried, Henson, Johnson

Denver out: Faried
Denver in: Dellavedova

Utah out: Rubio & Johnson
Utah in: Batum

Milwaukee out: Henson & Dellavedova
Milwaukee in: Dwight

Starters: Kemba-Lamb-MKG-Marvin-Cody
Bench: Rubio-Monk-Graham-Frank-(Faried/Henson)

We get out of Dwight and Batum's contracts and finally upgrade our backup PG spot. Never have been a fan of Rubio or Faried but I think they work with our bench. We sorely need a vet that can run the second unit like Rubio, who could be good for guys like Monk, Frank, and Graham. Faried could be pair well with Frank, who could use an athletic, physical player next to him that can switch between the 4 and 5 depending on matchups. Henson's contract isn't good, but he's a decent fill-in when Cody misses time.

I definitely wouldn't do that.

[Benjamin Linus]

Yeah, I wouldn't blame you. That Batum contract is nauseating.

[Revived]

Anyone got any reasonable Kemba trade ideas? Obviously it wouldn't be ideal to trade him, but that is probably what would give us the best odds to lose at this point. I do not think we should trade him unless we get the right offer of course

There have been several OK ideas mentioned so far. I thought that the Knicks trade mentioned not long ago was OK. Phoenix could be a good partner.

The Suns were reportedly interested in trading Jackson for Kyrie till they learned that Kyrie wouldn’t resign in Phoenix so I can see them offering the same for Kemba.

The Bucks pick, and Hear pick plus Josh Jackson and Tyler Ulis for Kemba Walker seems like a decent return.

[Lwcasu]

Anyone got any reasonable Kemba trade ideas? Obviously it wouldn't be ideal to trade him, but that is probably what would give us the best odds to lose at this point. I do not think we should trade him unless we get the right offer of course

There have been several OK ideas mentioned so far. I thought that the Knicks trade mentioned not long ago was OK. Phoenix could be a good partner.

The Suns were reportedly interested in trading Jackson for Kyrie till they learned that Kyrie wouldn’t resign in Phoenix so I can see them offering the same for Kemba.

The Bucks pick, and Hear pick plus Josh Jackson and Tyler Ulis for Kemba Walker seems like a decent return.

I'd do that trade and I'm not very pro on trading Kemba. Also, our 1st round pick would go from projected 9-11 to top 5 or 6.

[Diop]

There have been several OK ideas mentioned so far. I thought that the Knicks trade mentioned not long ago was OK. Phoenix could be a good partner.

The Suns were reportedly interested in trading Jackson for Kyrie till they learned that Kyrie wouldn’t resign in Phoenix so I can see them offering the same for Kemba.

The Bucks pick, and Hear pick plus Josh Jackson and Tyler Ulis for Kemba Walker seems like a decent return.

I'd do that trade and I'm not very pro on trading Kemba. Also, our 1st round pick would go from projected 9-11 to top 5 or 6.

seems like good value but I can just imagine Jackson having a MKG like projection with his shooting. its the lolcat way

[mrknowitall215]

If Charlotte fail to make the playoffs this season you'd have to wonder how much a trade of Kemba, Lamb, and a future 1st rounder could net in return? I'd imagine it would put them atop of any trade proposal list for whomever the top disgruntled player is at the time. You'd have to think that Anthony Davis may be on the possibility list

[HornetJail]

If Charlotte fail to make the playoffs this season you'd have to wonder how much a trade of Kemba, Lamb, and a future 1st rounder could net in return? I'd imagine it would put them atop of any trade proposal list for whomever the top disgruntled player is at the time. You'd have to think that Anthony Davis may be on the possibility list

Yeah then we're just Anthony Davis with no PG and we'd have no real way of getting a decent PG without giving up more talent.

And Kemba would make no sense for them if they move Davis- they'd be tanking and rebuilding and Kemba would be an impending FA for 2019. Not to mention they just locked up Jrue Holiday to a monster 5 year deal, and Cousins would bolt from there too.

Just doesn't make any sense all-around.

[mrknowitall215]

If Charlotte fail to make the playoffs this season you'd have to wonder how much a trade of Kemba, Lamb, and a future 1st rounder could net in return? I'd imagine it would put them atop of any trade proposal list for whomever the top disgruntled player is at the time. You'd have to think that Anthony Davis may be on the possibility list

Yeah then we're just Anthony Davis with no PG and we'd have no real way of getting a decent PG without giving up more talent.

And Kemba would make no sense for them if they move Davis- they'd be tanking and rebuilding and Kemba would be an impending FA for 2019. Not to mention they just locked up Jrue Holiday to a monster 5 year deal, and Cousins would bolt from there too.

Just doesn't make any sense all-around.

I was thinking along the lines that there would be at least a 3rd team involved that needed a point guard like the Knicks or Suns among other teams

I'm not the one making up the rumors. It's rumored that the Pelicans have considered trading Anthony Davis and teams have been inquiring. Of course they'd want a bigger haul in return than Kemba and Lamb with a draft pick, but that's why a 3rd or 4th team would be involved to give them more assets. In this scenario I don't have either of Kemba or Lamb going to NOP, but I do have Davis coming to CHA

It's all hypothetical and subjective. Just wondering what Charlotte could get in return for Kemba and Lamb being on beyond fair value contracts for another season in the trade market

[Mulhollanddrive]

Would this be in the ball park for a Kemba Walker trade to Phoenix:

Phoenix 2018, Miami 2018, Milwaukee 2018, Brandon Knight and Dragan Bender.

[HornetJail]

I think I'd want the 2021 Miami pick instead of the Milwaukee pick but that's at least along the lines of what i'd want if we nuked the roster and traded Kemba

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Proposed by a Portland fan over on the trade board:

Nic Batum for Evan Turner and Ed Davis

So, on the Portland side they expected Evan to fill a role like Nic used to there. They wanted a facilitator who made the guys around him better and thought that Turner could do that. He hasn't been able to do so. It's been bad enough that some of them are willing to take Nic's contract back in order to get a guy whom they know can play the role they need.

Davis is an expiring and Turner is who he is with a contract only slightly less bad than Nic's but it's a bit cheaper and 1 year shorter. The thing that interested me the most was reading an article about how his role in Portland was different than what it had been in Boston. There he was tasked with primary ball handling duties for the second unit. It struck me that he could be perfect in that role here and, theoretically, would fit with Monk perfectly. Not sure that he would ever perform to contract, but pairing a 6' 7" ball handler with Monk just seems like it's a hugely workable idea.

Now if the staff tried to get him to start and fill that Nic role, then I expect that the trade would be a huge failure. To really work I think that Lamb would need to start with Nic's departure and Evan would be a 6th man.

http://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/portland-trail-blazers/evan-turner-and-his-transition-trail-blazers-encountering-some-early-bumps

[HornetJail]

terrible. I would much rather have Batum, knowing what he normally is. There is zero upside to Evan Turner. None.