Markelle Fultz Discussion III: For Fultz and going forward (see 2017 draft thread for trade discussion)

[gdog2004]

That’s true, but the circumstances are very different because the Sixers only need a 3rd best player, but the Celtics still need a best player.

You guys have two Robins and two potential Robins. The Sixers have one Batman, one potential Batman, and one potential Robin.


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Kyrie Irving is in the running for MVP of the entire league. I would say he's Batman more than anyone else on the Sixers right now. (which is in part because Simmons and Embiid are rookies...skies the limit for them , but right now Kyrie is the man)

I think that Kyrie is what Kyrie is, which is a secondary star on a contender. He can be one of the best secondary stars in the league though, but shouldn’t have left LeBron.

I’d take Kyrie over Isaiah Thomas by a hair, and think that the Celtics are improved, but I still don’t think that they beat the Cavs in the playoffs.






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Kyrie is one of the 10 best players in the league this year. Not sure how that doesn't make him a "star" .

[OzCastiel]

Jayson Tatum has the same wingspan as Markelle Fultz, and as far as shot-creation goes, Fultz crushes him with his arsenal of hesi pull-up jimbos and whatnot.

lord have mercy this is hilarious

[dkj5061]

Jayson Tatum has the same wingspan as Markelle Fultz, and as far as shot-creation goes, Fultz crushes him with his arsenal of hesi pull-up jimbos and whatnot.

lord have mercy this is hilarious

I don't think he's making the claim that Fultz is currently better than Tatum. It would be impossible to do so given how little Fultz has played and how well Tatum has played.

Working off only what is quoted, I'm not sure how its all that hilarious. The first statement is basically true (differing reports. Tatum might beat out Fultz by an inch, but it's clear Fultz has the better positional wingspan). The second statement is a bit of hyperbole, but Tatum is currently being assisted on over 50% of his shots (49.6 for 2's, 94.6 for 3's). Compared to any point guard, let alone one lauded for his shot creation pre-injury, that is a fairly small percentage of shots that Tatum is actually creating. Tatum is having a spectacular rookie year, but wings by default aren't the shot creators that point guards are.

[PLO]

Jayson Tatum has the same wingspan as Markelle Fultz, and as far as shot-creation goes, Fultz crushes him with his arsenal of hesi pull-up jimbos and whatnot.

lord have mercy this is hilarious

I don't think he's making the claim that Fultz is currently better than Tatum. It would be impossible to do so given how little Fultz has played and how well Tatum has played.

Working off only what is quoted, I'm not sure how its all that hilarious. The first statement is basically true (differing reports. Tatum might beat out Fultz by an inch, but it's clear Fultz has the better positional wingspan). The second statement is a bit of hyperbole, but Tatum is currently being assisted on over 50% of his shots (49.6 for 2's, 94.6 for 3's). Compared to any point guard, let alone one lauded for his shot creation pre-injury, that is a fairly small percentage of shots that Tatum is actually creating. Tatum is having a spectacular rookie year, but wings by default aren't the shot creators that point guards are.

To add to that (and obviously I agree with you) - Fultz has been compared to James Harden at the same stage in terms of shot-creation - even just aesthetically both are pretty similar in terms of having that ability to "slow down" very quickly to create space for themselves. Boston didn't draft Tatum to be a shot-creator anyway, he's a wing meant to be a third or fourth option behind Kyrie, Horford and Brown. I saw some of the Celtics game yesterday and I came away yet again impressed by Tatum - but that doesn't really change my view on his long-term outlook or the fact I very strongly doubt he's going to be a primary option on a contending team at some stage during his career. However he is a quality starting player and that's something very rare to find only this far into a rookie's career.

[Kobblehead]

Gs are usually predispositioned to be superior shot creators than bigger players, but I think Tatum is on the high end of shotcreating talents for the F spot. He hasn't been used in that way at the NBA level, but he's an isolation player at heart.

[Kolkmania]

I somehow completely missed that Fultz is training with Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf. Guy had some Curry-esque seasons in his prime, searched for some video's and found this one. Kind of liked his methods, it's all about explosive movements, counters to counters and thinking out of the box and pushing yourself.

Watch on YouTube

Fact that Markelle is working with him probably means that he's at least shooting again.

[gdog2004]

lord have mercy this is hilarious

I don't think he's making the claim that Fultz is currently better than Tatum. It would be impossible to do so given how little Fultz has played and how well Tatum has played.

Working off only what is quoted, I'm not sure how its all that hilarious. The first statement is basically true (differing reports. Tatum might beat out Fultz by an inch, but it's clear Fultz has the better positional wingspan). The second statement is a bit of hyperbole, but Tatum is currently being assisted on over 50% of his shots (49.6 for 2's, 94.6 for 3's). Compared to any point guard, let alone one lauded for his shot creation pre-injury, that is a fairly small percentage of shots that Tatum is actually creating. Tatum is having a spectacular rookie year, but wings by default aren't the shot creators that point guards are.

To add to that (and obviously I agree with you) - Fultz has been compared to James Harden at the same stage in terms of shot-creation - even just aesthetically both are pretty similar in terms of having that ability to "slow down" very quickly to create space for themselves. Boston didn't draft Tatum to be a shot-creator anyway, he's a wing meant to be a third or fourth option behind Kyrie, Horford and Brown. I saw some of the Celtics game yesterday and I came away yet again impressed by Tatum - but that doesn't really change my view on his long-term outlook or the fact I very strongly doubt he's going to be a primary option on a contending team at some stage during his career. However he is a quality starting player and that's something very rare to find only this far into a rookie's career.

Sixer fans (and I am one) need to chill on Fultz until he actually gets on an NBA court and does something impressive.
Tatum has been great and is in the running for ROTY. I dont care if Fultz has longer arms, Tatum has done it ON AN NBA COURT.
Until Fultz actually plays at a high level on an NBA court, there really are no comparisons...YET

[BigSleep333]

still no footage of him shooting? im not interested in watching fultz stretching.

[dkj5061]

Gs are usually predispositioned to be superior shot creators than bigger players, but I think Tatum is on the high end of shotcreating talents for the F spot. He hasn't been used in that way at the NBA level, but he's an isolation player at heart.

Totally agree, Tatum showed a ton of shot creation potential at Duke and so far this season. I think the fact that he isn’t resorting to it so much has been a big driver of his success so far though.

[Negrodamus]

Is today or tomorrow the three week mark? I’m sure we’ll get a satisfying update soon.

[Witt]

Is today or tomorrow the three week mark? I’m sure we’ll get a satisfying update soon.

It's a fake injury plain and simple

[Mik317]

Is today or tomorrow the three week mark? I’m sure we’ll get a satisfying update soon.

they already gave the update, no? He's begun to work w/ the team...ykno stuff he should have been started 3 weeks ago

[PLO]

I don't think he's making the claim that Fultz is currently better than Tatum. It would be impossible to do so given how little Fultz has played and how well Tatum has played.

Working off only what is quoted, I'm not sure how its all that hilarious. The first statement is basically true (differing reports. Tatum might beat out Fultz by an inch, but it's clear Fultz has the better positional wingspan). The second statement is a bit of hyperbole, but Tatum is currently being assisted on over 50% of his shots (49.6 for 2's, 94.6 for 3's). Compared to any point guard, let alone one lauded for his shot creation pre-injury, that is a fairly small percentage of shots that Tatum is actually creating. Tatum is having a spectacular rookie year, but wings by default aren't the shot creators that point guards are.

To add to that (and obviously I agree with you) - Fultz has been compared to James Harden at the same stage in terms of shot-creation - even just aesthetically both are pretty similar in terms of having that ability to "slow down" very quickly to create space for themselves. Boston didn't draft Tatum to be a shot-creator anyway, he's a wing meant to be a third or fourth option behind Kyrie, Horford and Brown. I saw some of the Celtics game yesterday and I came away yet again impressed by Tatum - but that doesn't really change my view on his long-term outlook or the fact I very strongly doubt he's going to be a primary option on a contending team at some stage during his career. However he is a quality starting player and that's something very rare to find only this far into a rookie's career.

Sixer fans (and I am one) need to chill on Fultz until he actually gets on an NBA court and does something impressive.
Tatum has been great and is in the running for ROTY. I dont care if Fultz has longer arms, Tatum has done it ON AN NBA COURT.
Until Fultz actually plays at a high level on an NBA court, there really are no comparisons...YET

The digression on the Fultz threads to Tatum largely has come about via trolling Celtics fans, and the odd (no pun intended) 76er fans who wanted to draft Lonzo Ball and/or Josh Jackson. However, even given both players will have pretty different roles they'll always be compared because of being in the same draft and because of the trade. Not sure you can really stop comparisons happening between the two in other words.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Is Fultz available for the right price, if so what would you want?

[PhilasFinest]

Is Fultz available for the right price, if so what would you want?

Don’t think Bryan Colangelo frequents the boards so not sure.

[Arsenal]

Yeah Tatum is great, but I'm not sure he will ever be a primary scoring option on a contender. He'll definitely get into some all-star games though.

Right now he's killing it in a limited/complimentary role, which is a credit to him. Could definitely see him end up as good as a guy like Paul Pierce.

[Mik317]

Paul Pierce is probably a HOF and was a primary scoring option on a contender.

[CelticsWin5]

Yeah Tatum is great, but I'm not sure he will ever be a primary scoring option on a contender. He'll definitely get into some all-star games though.

Right now he's killing it in a limited/complimentary role, which is a credit to him. Could definitely see him end up as good as a guy like Paul Pierce.

I could see it too, but I have to ask- did you think Pierce wasn’t a primary scoring option? Pierce is #15 on the all time scoring leaders list, ranked near names like Hakeem, Duncan, and Havlicek. Hard to call that complimentary...But I do agree with the rest of your comment that he will contend for all star games


About fultz - why haven’t the 76ers formally made statement or update about fultz? Might be wrong but I thought the 3 weeks evaluation period ended already? Been a little quiet on that end apart from that video of him stretching which isn’t much. a timetable of when he will return would be nice especially since they said his pain was gone a while ago...team is kind of treating fans poorly.

[JojoSlimbiid]

About fultz - why haven’t the 76ers formally made statement or update about fultz? Might be wrong but I thought the 3 weeks evaluation period ended already? Been a little quiet on that end apart from that video of him stretching which isn’t much. a timetable of when he will return would be nice especially since they said his pain was gone a while ago...team is kind of treating fans poorly.

Why do you care how poorly the fans get treated or about Fultz's condition at all?

If you want an update check twitter or follow the beat writers. What exactly is the purpose of coming in here at all?

[Arsenal]

Yeah Tatum is great, but I'm not sure he will ever be a primary scoring option on a contender. He'll definitely get into some all-star games though.

Right now he's killing it in a limited/complimentary role, which is a credit to him. Could definitely see him end up as good as a guy like Paul Pierce.

I could see it too, but I have to ask- did you think Pierce wasn’t a primary scoring option? Pierce is #15 on the all time scoring leaders list, ranked near names like Hakeem, Duncan, and Havlicek. Hard to call that complimentary...But I do agree with the rest of your comment that he will contend for all star games


About fultz - why haven’t the 76ers formally made statement or update about fultz? Might be wrong but I thought the 3 weeks evaluation period ended already? Been a little quiet on that end apart from that video of him stretching which isn’t much. a timetable of when he will return would be nice especially since they said his pain was gone a while ago...team is kind of treating fans poorly.

To me Paul Pierce is a borderline #1 guy for a contender. Even if you say he is (which I won't argue against much), I'm not sure Tatum tops out as good as Pierce. Obviously if he does that's fantastic for the Celtics.