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Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4

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What direction would you like the front office to take?

Keep developing young guys and keep first rounders
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73%
Trade our 18 first/Jackson and whatever else for best player available
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11%
Trade whatever it takes for vet PG and maybe also vet PF
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9%
Trade vets for expiring contracts and 2nd rounders
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7%
 
Total votes: 101

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1241 » by bwgood77 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:40 pm

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If I'm in the top-3 I wouldn't really consider those pieces to trade back 7-8 spots. Even if JJ is included. I think you might see a trade back from two to four or something like that.


There is still a pretty good chance we finish with one of the worst records. We have played one of the easiest schedules. Charlotte and Memphis have played the two toughest schedules. Dal, LAL and Sac have played the 5th, 6th and 7th toughest. Bulls 9th toughest, Hawks 11th, and Magic 12th. The Nets have also played a tougher schedule.

2 games or less separates all of us except Atlanta. Most of those other teams have beaten much tougher teams than we have. We have barely beaten Memphis twice, Dallas and Sacramento. I know all wins count the same, but I imagine those other teams will come by easier wins later.

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Eh, I don't know about those SOS rankings. Maybe our opponents weren't the strongest but our schedule wasn't that easy. We played the most back-to-backs in the league - 9 (7 of them were 3-in-4 nights stretches). For example, the Hornets who supposedly played the hardest schedule had 6 back-to-backs. 19 home and 18 road games for the Suns, 20 home and 15 road games for the Hornets. The Suns had a 6, 5 and 3-game road trips. The 2 longest road trips for the Hornets were only 4 and 2 games (twice).


Being a young team, I don't think b2b's hurt us as much as teams with vets. We've also played quite a few games against teams with big name players out. We may end up winning some against the best teams later because we play the Warriors twice in our last five games and they may have clinched home court advantage. We also play Cleveland, Boston and Houston in our last 10 so they may rest players down the stretch as well.

We also play Dallas and Sacramento in our last five and they will probably be more actively tanking than us given that they both play more vets heavy minutes and can sit them. I don't know that if we sit Tyson if it will hurt us that much.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1242 » by Blonde » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:56 am

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NavLDO wrote:So, continuing a thought from one of the game threads, I believe, and based upon the evidence, we have two players that are easily ranked in the top 5-7 at their respective positions in the way of production in Warren and Booker.


Funny, because on the Dunc'd on pod a few weeks ago, they didn't list TJ in the top, like, 30 or so small forwards. My ears got hot listening to that ****.

They also said Booker wasn't one of the top 10 under 23 players in the NBA. Crazy.


Dunc'd On is such trash. I used to enjoy listening to those guys but it just sounds like such elitist garbage now. They say every PF should be a C and every SF should be a PF. They said Johnathan Isaac was "clearly" the best forward prospect from last year's draft. They said Booker doesn't help win games. They say every contract that isn't a veteran minimum is a massive overpay. It's just a circle jerk at this point with Danny and Nate.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1243 » by bigfoot » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:20 am

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Yikes. Right now from that list it looks like Canaan is the best fit for our team. I'd be keeping an eye on Brogdon still for a trade if I were the Suns FO because he's backing up another player.


Its all about the draft. Young, Doncic, Sexton, Duval.

Wonder if Booker could play pg with Reed at the 2.


I think our biggest issue that we dont have a point guard that is a pass first guard (starter level) for this reason i dont think is that type of passer and i sure as heck dont think that Sexton is anywhere close to that. I have said it before i am sick of combo guards claiming to be points.


I'll say this again. People need to think outside the box in terms of a pass first point guard. We don't need that. Really, we don't. Neither Kobe or Jordan played next to a pass first point guard. What we really need is a point guard who can hit the three, play really good defense, and occasionally handle the ball. Seriously, the ball needs to be in Booker's hands to initiate the offense. If Daniels played decent defense then he would be ideal. Jackson and Reed should be candidates for the type of player we want to put next to Booker. Jackson needs to rebuild his shot to have any hope of lasting in the league but if he does then he could play next to Booker. Reed supposedly has the shot and defensive chops (7' wing span) plus some ball handling abilities. He may be the exactly what the doctor ordered.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1244 » by thamadkant » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:25 am

Avery Bradley as PG next to Booker will add 15 wins to the Suns team... easily.

I think McD is going to offer him a deal.

OR


Suns stay put with Knight, Ulis, Canaan rotation.

Then offer a max deal to Cousins.



A PG or C is what Suns will make a move for IMO...
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1245 » by DirtyDez » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:35 am

What is Bradley's max? Keep in mind that would be an expensive backcourt starting in two years. Fit wise it's great.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1246 » by jcsunsfan » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:39 am

Right now, TJ is the number 12 scoring forward in the league--not sf--among all forwards.

1. Freak
2. LeBron
3. KD
4. Anthony Davis
5. Porzingis
6. Blake
7. Alderidge
8. Middleton
9. PG
10. KLove
11 Tyreke
12. TJ Warren

Of those, he is 8th in fg% and only KLove and Tyreke have less minutes per game.

5th in scoring among small forwards, only behind James, Durant, Middleton, and PG.
3rd In scoring per 48 behind LeBron, Durant, and Michael Beasley (yes).
3rd in total points scored this year among small forwards (James, KD).
10th in rebounding among small forwards.
23rd in steals.
14th in blocked shots
5th in double doubles

https://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/scoring-per-game/sort/avgPoints/position/small-forwards
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1247 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:51 am

Like the idea of someone like Bradley but would still need 3 Max slots open for top 30 players.

Warren would be averaging 20 points, 6 rebounds, 1 steal if he played Booker's minutes.

Big reason why I think we'll pick between 6-10 is it's hard to be tanking bad if you have 45 points on good efficiency.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1248 » by jcsunsfan » Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:00 am

1UPZ wrote:Avery Bradley as PG next to Booker will add 15 wins to the Suns team... easily.

I think McD is going to offer him a deal.

OR


Suns stay put with Knight, Ulis, Canaan rotation.

Then offer a max deal to Cousins.



A PG or C is what Suns will make a move for IMO...


Collin Sexton would be a similar player. Better on offense, but he is a good defender.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1249 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:05 am

Keep in mind PG is the toughest position for a rookie to play.

None of Fultz, Ball, Fox, Smith, Ntilikina would have much difference this season.

So if we draft a PG it's going to be require being bad at that position for a couple more years at least.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1250 » by NTB » Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:07 am

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1251 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:50 am

2 Man Line Ups O-Rating

Booker - Daniels 111
Booker - James 105
Booker - Ulis 103
Booker - Canaan 97

If Point Booker is going to be a thing may as well use it so we know if we need to acquire a PG or not.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1252 » by Waylay13 » Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:55 am

1UPZ wrote:Avery Bradley as PG next to Booker will add 15 wins to the Suns team... easily.

I think McD is going to offer him a deal.

OR


Suns stay put with Knight, Ulis, Canaan rotation.

Then offer a max deal to Cousins.



A PG or C is what Suns will make a move for IMO...


Let me get this right you believe that point guard (and i use the term extremely loosely) who has had the highest average of 2.2 assist a game on 30+ minutes is going to have a plus impact on scoring on this team that would lead to us winning 15 more games and is shooting only .425 this year? what is it that you think will help the Suns win more? is he a really good cheerleader from the sidelines?
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1253 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:59 am

Interesting to hear Triano after the game, he said Booker takes over when closing anyway so may as well put shooters around him. I think we need a PG who can shoot 40% from 3 alongside him.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1254 » by thamadkant » Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:54 am

Waylay13 wrote:
1UPZ wrote:Avery Bradley as PG next to Booker will add 15 wins to the Suns team... easily.

I think McD is going to offer him a deal.

OR


Suns stay put with Knight, Ulis, Canaan rotation.

Then offer a max deal to Cousins.



A PG or C is what Suns will make a move for IMO...


Let me get this right you believe that point guard (and i use the term extremely loosely) who has had the highest average of 2.2 assist a game on 30+ minutes is going to have a plus impact on scoring on this team that would lead to us winning 15 more games and is shooting only .425 this year? what is it that you think will help the Suns win more? is he a really good cheerleader from the sidelines?



He's a lock down defender who can guard up to smaller SFs


Secondly he can bail the 3pt shot nicely.


Thirdly he does not need the ball to make an impact at all. He is very smart both sides.

You're looking at box score numbers only. But Avery Bradley is more than capable in averaging more assists per game than what he is currently showing.



If you watch him play he is extremely smart both sides and makes the right plays almost every play.



But the thing is the Suns must have a better discipline defensively.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1255 » by Qwigglez » Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:17 am

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1256 » by KLEON » Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:49 am

1UPZ wrote:
Waylay13 wrote:
1UPZ wrote:Avery Bradley as PG next to Booker will add 15 wins to the Suns team... easily.

I think McD is going to offer him a deal.

OR


Suns stay put with Knight, Ulis, Canaan rotation.

Then offer a max deal to Cousins.



A PG or C is what Suns will make a move for IMO...


Let me get this right you believe that point guard (and i use the term extremely loosely) who has had the highest average of 2.2 assist a game on 30+ minutes is going to have a plus impact on scoring on this team that would lead to us winning 15 more games and is shooting only .425 this year? what is it that you think will help the Suns win more? is he a really good cheerleader from the sidelines?



He's a lock down defender who can guard up to smaller SFs


Secondly he can bail the 3pt shot nicely.



Thirdly he does not need the ball to make an impact at all. He is very smart both sides.

You're looking at box score numbers only. But Avery Bradley is more than capable in averaging more assists per game than what he is currently showing.



If you watch him play he is extremely smart both sides and makes the right plays almost every play.



But the thing is the Suns must have a better discipline defensively.

Hey 1UPZ , sometimes I believe some of the people here simply don't understand the game of basketball
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1257 » by jredsaz » Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:54 am

Qwigglez wrote:viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1653764&p=61711874#p61711874

Anyone down for that trade?


Wouldn't give three picks. Chandler contract is much better than Howard's. But Kemba can play. That part is interesting. Maybe simplify it.

Monroe, Miami 18, MIL 18 for Kemba? Maybe that.

My worry is that the Suns will be basically just as good as they were with Bledsoe but with one less 1st to show for it.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1258 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:28 am

I'd rather overpay for the right player than underpay for sort of the right player.

I don't think Kemba Walker gets us to the NBA finals.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1259 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:32 am

jredsaz wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1653764&p=61711874#p61711874

Anyone down for that trade?


Wouldn't give three picks. Chandler contract is much better than Howard's. But Kemba can play. That part is interesting. Maybe simplify it.

Monroe, Miami 18, MIL 18 for Kemba? Maybe that.

My worry is that the Suns will be basically just as good as they were with Bledsoe but with one less 1st to show for it.


This is my feeling too. I thought about Kemba, but realized I was only considering him because he was available and not because he was a good fit. We need to continue to be patient.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1260 » by Frank Lee » Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:14 am

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