Leap Year - The Kemba Walker Thread III

[SWedd523]

I bet DY_nasty is a Cav Scout

[Eoghan]

[DY_nasty]

Genuine greeting or just an excuse to plug your website? Seems like the latter to me.

if i was gonna plug a website why on earth would i do it on a hornets board? here i was thinking some of the older guys actually wondered where i went.

I bet DY_nasty is a Cav Scout

we can always bump that that noah vonleh thread too lol

[SWedd523]

I bet DY_nasty is a Cav Scout

we can always bump that that noah vonleh thread too lol

[Braggins]

hol up

sup and glad you guys still remember me. as for the revisionist history

I stopped posting because as a lot of you guys know I'm military and I got caught up with work. Since then in my free time getting back and settled I started a separate board because I got tired of Catch20two's posts, and the mods here were awful lol - I remember specifically messaging several about the atmosphere of the board at the time and since then nothing has changed. If anything, more people have left and its more of a chore to read than ever (for example, yosemite ben's butthurt over MCW being the worst player in the league not to have a chinese passport already. Its okay. We're all wrong sometimes. I remember believing in Gerald Henderson doing more than taking fadeaway jumpers for a living. It happens bro.). Lets not act like I had some bias towards anyone on the team. Kemba's improvement was out of nowhere and I couldn't be happier for him. At the same time, that contract he got before that improvement occurred was straight up questionable to anyone who wasn't a hardcore fan of his. This team loves handing out undeserved money and even though it didn't happen with Kemba, it definitely came back to bite us still.

Hope you guys had a good holiday. Even if our team sucks, we still got the best cheerleaders.

Kemba becoming one of the best outside shooters in the league and an all-star did come out of nowhere, but before then he had still shown plenty of signs that he was capable of being a good starting level NBA player.

Don't get me wrong, I always enjoyed you as a poster and think it would be great if you started posting again, but I find it hard to believe that you didn't have at least a little bit of an anti-Kemba agenda. You would harp on his efficiency constantly, while at the same time giving literally everyone else on the team a pass for their bad efficiency because of our horrible spacing and bad team offense. Kemba was inefficient because he was a scrub, while everyone else was inefficient due to environmental/circumstance issues.

It always seemed clear to me (and to you) that Cliffords system was a drag on the efficiency of perimeter players, especially when he has a low post "threat" to center the offense around and also bad team spacing. I remember making lots of posts comparing players efficiency immediately before playing for Clifford and while playing for Clifford and there was a very clear trend of players efficiency tanking after coming here. It briefly stopped being the case when we moved away from Alfense, but we are starting to see that effect again to some extent now that we have Dwight and are running so much of our offense through his terrible post ups.

Kemba was never going to reach his current levels of efficiency without improving his outside shot substantially, but I also think that the sub 40% shooting numbers in his 3rd and 4th seasons were a bit of an aberration due to being a drive first guard with a bad outside shot playing in a horribly spaced low post based offense (basically because he was such a horrible fit with Al at the time). His shooting has improved so much that he is now able to overcome roster/fit issues and still be efficient regardless, but before that he was really set up to fail here, even though he was still a pretty good player.

[Braggins]

Dy_nasty's return to realgm.

https://youtu.be/S_S2zFaNH9A?t=84

[SWedd523]

Dy_nasty's return to realgm.

https://youtu.be/S_S2zFaNH9A?t=84

DY_nasty right now:

[Braggins]

I bet DY_nasty is a Cav Scout

we can always bump that that noah vonleh thread too lol

I usually try to avoid looking back at old threads/posts. I would say about 25% of my posts on this board have been either hyping up or defending Bismack Biyombo. I am to Biyombo what Lamar and Diop are to Sagana Diop.

Edit: When I get 2k18, I'm trading Howard for Biyombo in my Dynasty mode.

[DY_nasty]

i love the word agenda

its powerful even when its not

i will say that i'm not used to kemba outright giving up on games like he has this season. that's kinda new to me

[Braggins]

I should have said "bias" instead of "agenda". I didn't mean to imply anything about your motives or anything like that.

[Bassman]

i love the word agenda

its powerful even when its not

i will say that i'm not used to kemba outright giving up on games like he has this season. that's kinda new to me

Welcome back DY. I was one who also liked Kemba but didn’t expect him to reach a level of all-star. I do not believe he will ever be in the elite class of PG’s. He just doesn’t defend well enough, nor distribute well enough.

With the current team I am torn on the idea of keeping him in a blow-up rebuild, or dealing him to facilitate the recovery. I lean toward the latter.

[catch20two]

i will say that i'm not used to kemba outright giving up on games like he has this season. that's kinda new to me

Buying time until he leave in free agency?

Lately he’ll coast and be mentally checked out of a lot of games but you’ll see that fiery competitive spirit in spurts occasionally when the game get close enough and he feel like we could win.

[DY_nasty]

i will say that i'm not used to kemba outright giving up on games like he has this season. that's kinda new to me

Buying time until he leave in free agency?

Lately he’ll coast and be mentally checked out of a lot of games but you’ll see that fiery competitive spirit in spurts occasionally when the game get close enough and he feel like we could win.

I don't think its some conscious thing or that he's packed his bags already.... I'm just saying, that he's human - not some cyborg with a heart that beats icewater. After season of watching the lead evaporate or the comeback die each time you go to the bench, you're naturally going to just become numb to overexerting yourself.

After that Chicago game was when it started. By Houston I was floored. Not that I'm even all that disappointed or shocked at the guy. He's human. And he's taken more than his fair share of Ls with this organization. I never thought I'd see games where Dwight willed his team out of an embarrassing blowout while Kemba mentally checked out.

[mrknowitall215]

With the luxury tax looming, the Charlotte Hornets should trade Kemba Walker

Kemba Walker is the kind of player a team like the Hornets would love to build around but he has just 18 months left on his contract, the Hornets are in the bottom third of the league, and a financial crunch is looming. So the most prudent course of action would be to trade Walker before the NBA’s Feb. 8 deadline.

Charlotte finds itself in just about the worst situation in the NBA. Having gone all-in to try to return to the playoffs this season by essentially taking on the final two years of Dwight Howard’s contract from the Atlanta Hawks for dead money, the Hornets – who have never paid the luxury tax – found themselves pushing up against it this season.

That wouldn’t be a problem if the Hornets were in the middle of the Eastern Conference playoff picture, as many expected, but they're closer to the worst team in the NBA (the 10-27 Atlanta Hawks) than the East’s eighth and final playoff spot, held by the Indiana Pacers (19-19).

To make matters worse, the financial situation isn’t getting better anytime soon. Next season, the Hornets – as constructed – are guaranteed to be a tax-paying team. Perhaps Michael Jordan would be fine paying the tax for the first time if he were in the same position that another first-time taxpayer, Wizards owner Ted Leonsis, finds himself: with a team that seems positioned to battle for a top-four seed in the East for the next few years, one that features an all-star backcourt of John Wall and Bradley Beal that’s already signed through the majority of their primes.

But that’s not where the Hornets are. Charlotte likely will enter next season with an aging, expensive roster, with a combined $62 million going to three players – Howard, Nicolas Batum and Marvin Williams – who signed contracts during the halcyon days of July 2016. If those three were free agents this summer, they might struggle to land much more than half of that amount.

So what if Charlotte traded Walker to begin to ease its financial burdens, as well as to jump-start a rebuild? Say, for example, Walker was shipped to his hometown New York Knicks, along with Williams, for rookie point guard Frank Ntilikina, Joakim Noah and New York’s 2018 first-round pick. That would save Charlotte about $4 million next season while giving it an intriguing young point guard to install as Walker’s successor. It would also help Charlotte’s first-round pick move into the top five in the lottery, giving the team a chance to land a star in a top-heavy draft, as well as another pick in the middle of the round.

For another example, the Hornets could try to work out a trade with the Pacers, who have rebounded nicely from Paul George’s departure thanks largely to the man they acquired for him, Victor Oladipo. A trade of Walker and Williams for Darren Collison, Al Jefferson, rookie forward T.J. Leaf and Indiana’s 2018 first-round pick would allow Charlotte to essentially wipe out the $29 million owed to Williams over the next two seasons (thanks to Jefferson’s non-guaranteed salary for next season). The move removes the need for Charlotte to worry about the tax, and it also would receive a rookie project in Leaf, a first-round pick and – again – a boost to its own draft pick’s status. The Pacers could pair Walker with Oladipo and Myles Turner, potentially becoming an interesting team in the East.

That’s why it would make sense for Charlotte to use Walker as a way to avoid that fate. It’s also why this could be the first in a series of financially motivated moves for teams across the league, as they adjust to the league’s new financial reality.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2018/01/05/with-the-luxury-tax-looming-the-charlotte-hornets-should-trade-kemba-walker/?utm_term=.cf41aaaa8ac8

[DY_nasty]

those are some of the worst trade ideas lol....

Like, I get Walker as a trade concept. I actually endorse it as someone who thinks he deserves better than what this franchise has given him.

At the same time, this is trash journalism lol - if you're gonna talk about the financial pressure looming, then how in the world are you not focused on Batum and other similar contract situations like him around NBA? If you were actually trying to be honest about this instead of floating a trade idea article to get clicks on the sports pages of Washington Post up, then you'd be talking about how it makes every bit of sense money wise to start handing off bad contracts for 2-3 years of 1st round picks. Especially when considering the league's growing attempts to separate itself from the NCAA farm system, develop and promote more talent in the G-League, and international outreach in general.

This is a lazy overwritten article born from NBA2k MyGM and the Washington Post should be better.

[catch20two]

The word is getting out and teams are about to start calling. I don’t see Kemba getting traded this season before the deadline but this offseason it is very possible especially if we end this season with Clifford and Cho getting fired while going into luxury tax land for a team that is on the treadmill about to fall off.

[TheKingofSting]

http://www.nba.com/video/2018/01/27/inside-stuff-kemba-walker-charlotte-hornets-mentors-four-kids

Cool video on why Kemba is Charlotte and The Carolinas!


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[Liver_Pooty]

I wonder if Silver will select Kemba as Walls all star replacement.

[Joest2003]

I wonder if Silver will select Kemba as Walls all star replacement.

They look so much alike the casual fan probably won't even notice the difference.

[catch20two]

I wonder if Silver will select Kemba as Walls all star replacement.

It’s either Drummond or Kemba. It sounds like the media have put up a bigger fuss for Drummond being snubbed by Horford. I haven’t heard much about a Kemba snub or him being deserving of the ASG nod except amongst us fans.