Political Roundtable Part XVII

[Wizardspride]

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[stilldropin20]

Trump viewed as dangerous and ill informed by allies.

Seasoned diplomats who have seen Trump up close throw around words like “catastrophic,” “terrifying,” “incompetent” and “dangerous.” In Berlin this spring, I listened to a group of sober policy wonks debate whether Trump was merely a “laughingstock” or something more dangerous. Virtually all of those from whom I’ve heard this kind of ranting are leaders from close allies and partners of the United States. That experience is no anomaly. “If only I had a nickel for every time a foreign leader has asked me what the hell is going on in Washington this year … ” says Richard Haass, a Republican who served in senior roles for both Presidents Bush.

Kushner was “very dismissive” about the role of international institutions and alliances and uninterested in the European’s recounting of how closely the United States had stood together with Western Europe since World War II. “He told me, ‘I’m a businessman, and I don’t care about the past. Old allies can be enemies, or enemies can be friends.’ So, the past doesn’t count,” the official recalled. “I was taken aback. It was frightening.”

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/1/2/1729317/-American-ALLIES-report-on-Trump-Catastrophic-Dangerous

so. "foreign businessmen...and foreign politicians are...taken aback"????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you, Jesus!!!!! The Trump effect is working. America first is working! So they are getting scared? nervouis? growth in their country is slowing while growth is picking back up in America??? Color me effing impressed!!!!!

As for the "foreign diplomats"????? they can kiss my phunkin american azz!!!!!!! Bought time we have a president that puts america first!!!!

Yo, my fellow americans (who for some crazy azz reason became "globalists" over the past 8 years as if you are actually a citizen of the Globe) get it through your thick skulls. The "work" can be done here or in china. Here or in mexico. Here or in Canada. Here or in India. Wealthy international businessmen dont care "where" it gets done and neither do the international bankers that bank roll those businessmen. Its up to our politicians to keep as much of that work "here" in america. Which helps move our GDP higher and our unemployment %'s lower. Both of which lowers OUR taxes amongst other things.

Of course the international push back will be hard. When America does well other nations will prosper less as the reverse is true. CHina did very well for itself over the past 8 years. As did germany. while me withered and suffered.

Dont appologize for winning!!! Speaking of winning, let us all know when you are getting tired of it.

[stilldropin20]

Obama supported that Horrific regime!! While under trump the Iranian people are ready to revolt against tyranny!!

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add southwest airlines into the mix. #MAGA

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[Ruzious]

And this is exactly how the right feels about almost the entire the Obama administration.

And most of the right is asleep on this they're just now figuring out how bad this corruption was with Obama's doj at the top.

I mean Lindsey Graham couldn't stand Trump. Disliked him to the core and even he is slowly unearthing how the obama doj was weaponize against Donald Trump.
blablablayadayadayada

You keep on comparing apples to hand grenades. Why would anyone other than Trump's psychofants not strongly dislike Trump?

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the actual full quote:

“Even if you thought that this was not treasonous, or unpatriotic, or bad s---, and I happen to think it’s all of that, you should have called the FBI immediately,” he said, adding that if the meeting were to happen, it should have occurred “in a Holiday Inn in Manchester, New Hampshire, with your lawyers who meet with these people” and then the information “dump[ed] … down to Breitbart or something like that, or maybe some other more legitimate publication”.

yeah, so much for that one? fake news, much?

[Wizardspride]

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the actual full quote:

“Even if you thought that this was not treasonous, or unpatriotic, or bad s---, and I happen to think it’s all of that, you should have called the FBI immediately,” he said, adding that if the meeting were to happen, it should have occurred “in a Holiday Inn in Manchester, New Hampshire, with your lawyers who meet with these people” and then the information “dump[ed] … down to Breitbart or something like that, or maybe some other more legitimate publication”.

yeah, so much for that one? fake news, much?

I guess.

Doesn't change much to me.

He still said what he said...

[stilldropin20]

And this is exactly how the right feels about almost the entire the Obama administration.

And most of the right is asleep on this they're just now figuring out how bad this corruption was with Obama's doj at the top.

I mean Lindsey Graham couldn't stand Trump. Disliked him to the core and even he is slowly unearthing how the obama doj was weaponize against Donald Trump.
blablablayadayadayada

You keep on comparing apples to hand grenades. Why would anyone other than Trump's psychofants not strongly dislike Trump?

Ruz, i understand that you dont understand nor believe this. But what if the majority of those "anyone's" have simply been misinformed by a globalist agenda led by a globalist billionaires that own multi globalist news outlets and media publications?

jeff bezos owns the washington post. he bought it to control the narrative and protect his burgeoning global empire.

carlos slim owns the New York Times (which owned th eboston globe until 2013(now owned by the owner of the red sox). see above.

The Rockefellors aka bank of america aka what was once standard oil own NBC. see above.

The Rothschilds own the economist directly and have financed the purchase of nearly every major acquisition since the mid 1800's.

As for FOX NEWS? at least it is(right now) owned by a pro american businessman. With a pro american agenda. Ever notice how "different" their news is? And you want to go with the globalist media version of the story??????? WHY????? You think it makes you cool? Or open minded or something??? That's just so foolish and naive on so many levels.

Ted Turner once owned CNN. I could go on and on. Why do wealthy uber elite international businessmen (or corporations) keep buying up the media!!!!!!!!???????????

Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

To control their version of the narrative, right

And what do all of these international media and news agencies tell us???????????????????? every. single. day??????????????????????????????? CNN tells us to not listen to the very nationalistic president trump. That is nearly all CNN covers 24/7.

In fact nearly all of the internationally owned media keeps harping on global issues!!! And from the pro-globalist perspective. Which boils down to how we, the american tax payer, need to take money out of our pockets to pay for international issues. Here's an idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How about these international billionaires just pay for their pet projects out of their own pockets!!! instead of buying "the news" and telling American to pay for it???????? Oh! I know!! because they can make money off of their media investment while convincing us idiots to pay for their international "pet projects." So we the american tax payer can keep subsidizing the globe. While we run up a national debt that is almost becoming unsustainable.

For every dollar americans pay in taxes, 50 cents goes to just paying of the interest!!!!!!! half of your taxes go to interest right now. Do any of you have a loan like that? A credit card? Would you continue to borrow?

wake da fuq, bro!!!

[stilldropin20]

ehhhhhhhhhhh..........its working!!!

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[dckingsfan]

America first is working!

Well... kind of.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/02/us/international-enrollment-drop.html
Why do you care about this? We need an infusion of educated workers in the 24 to 54 range.

As for the "foreign diplomats"????? they can kiss my phunkin american azz!!!!!!! Bought time we have a president that puts america first!!!!

Parts of this narrative are true. We spend a disproportionate amount to be the world policeman and he is calling our partners on this. NAFTA isn't what it should be and he is trying to renegotiate. But in both cases - he isn't getting it done.

Yo, my fellow americans (who for some crazy azz reason became "globalists" over the past 8 years as if you are actually a citizen of the Globe) get it through your thick skulls. The "work" can be done here or in china. Here or in mexico. Here or in Canada. Here or in India. Wealthy international businessmen dont care "where" it gets done and neither do the international bankers that bank roll those businessmen. Its up to our politicians to keep as much of that work "here" in america. Which helps move our GDP higher and our unemployment %'s lower. Both of which lowers OUR taxes amongst other things.

And this is where you are missing it - tell me which country benefitted most from trade in the past? Yep, the US, it got us where we are today (and remember, we want to make America great again - like before when we benefitted disproportionately from world trade). And this is where a deep understanding of economics would help our current POTUS. That doesn't mean you shouldn't work to make things fair - but killing trade won't help us in the long-term.

Of course the international push back will be hard. When America does well other nations will prosper less as the reverse is true. CHina did very well for itself over the past 8 years. As did germany. while me withered and suffered.

And this narrative is just not true... China's growth slowed down far more quickly then our growth did over those last 8 years.

[Ruzious]

SD, all I can tell you is that there's a forest out there that you're apparently not seeing. You might think it's the other way around, but you'd be wrong. Trump was right when he said he could kill a man in cold blood and not lose support from his core group. You are one of those people. Those people are either flat out evil or have neurological disorders. It's one or the other - maybe both in some cases.

[Wizardspride]

SD, all I can tell you is that there's a forest out there that you're apparently not seeing. You might think it's the other way around, but you'd be wrong. Trump was right when he said he could kill a man in cold blood and not lose support from his core group. You are one of those people. Those people are either flat out evil or have neurological disorders. It's one or the other - maybe both in some cases.

Nah.

30-40 percent of the electorate are enlightened while the rest are just dupes of a global elitist cartel.

Something like that.....

[stilldropin20]

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[stilldropin20]

America first is working!

Well... kind of.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/02/us/international-enrollment-drop.html
Why do you care about this? We need an infusion of educated workers in the 24 to 54 range.

As for the "foreign diplomats"????? they can kiss my phunkin american azz!!!!!!! Bought time we have a president that puts america first!!!!

Parts of this narrative are true. We spend a disproportionate amount to be the world policeman and he is calling our partners on this. NAFTA isn't what it should be and he is trying to renegotiate. But in both cases - he isn't getting it done.

Yo, my fellow americans (who for some crazy azz reason became "globalists" over the past 8 years as if you are actually a citizen of the Globe) get it through your thick skulls. The "work" can be done here or in china. Here or in mexico. Here or in Canada. Here or in India. Wealthy international businessmen dont care "where" it gets done and neither do the international bankers that bank roll those businessmen. Its up to our politicians to keep as much of that work "here" in america. Which helps move our GDP higher and our unemployment %'s lower. Both of which lowers OUR taxes amongst other things.

And this is where you are missing it - tell me which country benefitted most from trade in the past? Yep, the US, it got us where we are today (and remember, we want to make America great again - like before when we benefitted disproportionately from world trade). And this is where a deep understanding of economics would help our current POTUS. That doesn't mean you shouldn't work to make things fair - but killing trade won't help us in the long-term.

Of course the international push back will be hard. When America does well other nations will prosper less as the reverse is true. CHina did very well for itself over the past 8 years. As did germany. while me withered and suffered.

And this narrative is just not true... China's growth slowed down far more quickly then our growth did over those last 8 years.

1. we need "elite" students from middle class families that want to stay in the United States and perhaps work for our government. Not above average students from wealthy families that will just go back to their own country.

2. chinas growth was off of the charts compared to previous decades where our growth was merely steady. Of course it slowed down faster.

3. yes trade is good. and good for us but not until we bring back more manufacturing.

4. He is getting it done or at least making headway. It has not even been a year. The outgoing globalist Obama administration via the globalist media has had him tied up in russiagate since November 2016. The american people will are just now waking up to what myself and many other have been saying for over 1.5 years...that he is telling you the truth.

[Wizardspride]

The Republican Party is doomed to the ash heap of power it is just a matter of when! In 2015 the majority of babies born the USA were minority babies 1.995 million to 1.982 million non Hispanic whites.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/06/23/its-official-minority-babies-are-the-majority-among-the-nations-infants-but-only-just/
Plus if current polls are correct the independent Quinnipiac Poll the Highest demographic for the Republican Party is 50 to 64 43% Over 65 40%. The 18 to 34 group is the lowest at 25%. The Republican Party has 4% Black and 26% Hispanic support. Plus White Women support at 34% so again it should be doom and gloom because immigration policies are alienating even more minority voters.
https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us12192017_ut17754.pdf/

There is no reason for minoroties to stay with the Democrats. Republicans simply need to expand their platform and make it work for minorities.

Republicans and minorities are actually a natural fit because most minorities are extremely religious or at least somewhat religious where Democrats are more and more atheist

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If it's that simple ask yourself why Republicans won't "expand their platform"?

I mean they've had a minority problem for years so I can only assume they don't care.

[stilldropin20]

SD, all I can tell you is that there's a forest out there that you're apparently not seeing. You might think it's the other way around, but you'd be wrong. Trump was right when he said he could kill a man in cold blood and not lose support from his core group. You are one of those people. Those people are either flat out evil or have neurological disorders. It's one or the other - maybe both in some cases.

explain to me this "forest."

what EXACTLY are we missing here? and by "we" I do in fact mean at least 165 million american citizens.

[Pointgod]

There is no reason for minoroties to stay with the Democrats. Republicans simply need to expand their platform and make it work for minorities.

Republicans and minorities are actually a natural fit because most minorities are extremely religious or at least somewhat religious where Democrats are more and more atheist

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There is a difference in being religious and a born again zealot (judge Moore) which the radical religious right very little difference than them and radical Islamism. Plus the Republican party has done everything they can to restrict minority voting and redistricting. You are mindbogglingly silly with your comments.

that's one thing we agree on 100%. that your posts are naive. uninformed. down right silly. completely one sided. Which makes them complete garbage to anyone with half a brain cell firing even intermittently. But mostly? they are simply un-american. that's why they are so stupid.

And we know why. You are not an American. You are Canadian. And what kind asinine approach it is for a non american to argue with americans about american politics???? Dont answer that. I dont actually care. never did actually. But as non-american-arguing american politics, how silly do you feel? Feel silly at all? probably not. You should. but you dont. I could not even imagine going on a canadian politics board and arguing with canadians about anything canadian politics. if i did I would tread lightly and carefully and go there mostly to learn and read. Because, you know. Its canada!! it thier effing country!! Not mine!! I'm not canadian. To me it would be like a non LBGTQ person telling LBGTQ people how to feel about LBGTQ issues. Which is just plain WRONG, man!!!!!! And to top it off, you show no ability whatsoever to negotiate with americans about how they should feel about american politics. I mean the level of stupidity in just that basic premise is not only mind boggling but completely lost on you. COMPLETELY EFFIN LOST, MAN. all of which makes you an even bigger...well i dont want to call anyone names or anything. But its just silly, man. Like waaaaaaaaaay beyond silly.

Let's just call you what you are: canadian!!! and therefore on the outside looking in. You dont care about america or americans. That much is clear. Because you want us to become a socialist country. And americans dont want that. We dont. Sorry. We dont. You do! but we dont. Got it? In the end, you only care about how our policies affect canada. You have criticized every single nationalistic pro-american policy that the US has implemented. why anyone would take anything you say seriously at all is beyond the pale. and shame on them if they do. They just dont know better. We have a lot of americans like that. Its tough to educate them but we are trying. We have a long way to go. But we will get them up to speed eventually. They have a lot of people(like canadians) always trying to bend their ear in their(anti-american) direction and its very confusing for those americans to negotiate through the misinformation. And American politicians are easily bought off by global minded special interest groups.

Unfortunately, buddy!! Americans are becoming more and more interested in their own damn country. and their own damn people. FIRST. we are done appeasing the rest of the world at the cost of the american tax payer. More and more americans are coming to terms with the fact that all american pay 50 cents of every tax dollar just to pay off the INTEREST on our national debt. If we had no national debt we could cut our taxes in half!!!! We are going to be more and more nationalistic going forward. We (americans) like me are going to keep informing each other and more and more (americans) about our national debt crisis. With respect to the need to keep our economy stimulated so as to continue to stimulate growth. And we are going to be selfish about it. And i personally dont give a rats ass about how it affects canada. Or Canadians. Like Donald trump, I care about americans. All Americans. When ALL Americans are fed. clothed. sheltered. Educated. and have a true and real and fair path to prosperity and personal growth. When that day arrives? then I will begin to care about the rest of the Globe and how we can help them and not a single second before that day. And I will solely vote for politicians with the same ideology as trump. America First!!!! Baby!!!!!!!!

I'll be sure to bump this post the next time you cry about personal attacks from other posters.

[dckingsfan]

1. we need "elite" students from middle class families that want to stay in the United States and perhaps work for our government. Not above average students from wealthy families that will just go back to their own country.

2. chinas growth was off of the charts compared to previous decades where our growth was merely steady. Of course it slowed down faster.

3. yes trade is good. and good for us but not until we bring back more manufacturing.

4. He is getting it done or at least making headway. It has not even been a year. The outgoing globalist Obama administration via the globalist media has had him tied up in russiagate since November 2016. The american people will are just now waking up to what myself and many other have been saying for over 1.5 years...that he is telling you the truth.

1. No disagreement. But... our demographics are such that we still need an influx of educated workers (younger would be preferable).

2. We should see the same growth out of India. Why? Because under developed countries grow faster (I will assume this is obvious and doesn't need justification).

3. No - manufacturing is falling world wide. What we need is manufacturing that is on the edges - macro, micro and not "standard" manufacturing. You are already seeing manufacturing jobs leave China, why?

4. No, he isn't getting it done. I wish it was the case - but it isn't. And don't get me wrong. I hope that he can increase what are partners spend on defense and hope that he can negotiate a fairer NAFTA (on this end, our partners seem like they aren't willing to negotiate).

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damn right! feel the bern, baby!!

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Please explain how you think this is possibly a good thing.

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4. No, he isn't getting it done. I wish it was the case - but it isn't. And don't get me wrong. I hope that he can increase what are partners spend on defense and hope that he can negotiate a fairer NAFTA (on this end, our partners seem like they aren't willing to negotiate).

Fairer NAFTA? That a tough one to be honest. Much of the concern seems to be over Mexico and automotive sector jobs, but that's the current equivalent of chasing manufacturing jobs that are generally disappearing anyway. But as for partners not seeming willing to negotiate, as I understand it, Wilbur Ross basically admitted they were simply insisting on Canada and Mexico to offer concessions and they weren't actually offering anything in return. That's not actually a negotiation, and it's tough to suggest the other side isn't willing to negotiate in such a circumstance when you come to the table with nothing.