Political Roundtable Part XVII

[stilldropin20]

1. we need "elite" students from middle class families that want to stay in the United States and perhaps work for our government. Not above average students from wealthy families that will just go back to their own country.

2. chinas growth was off of the charts compared to previous decades where our growth was merely steady. Of course it slowed down faster.

3. yes trade is good. and good for us but not until we bring back more manufacturing.

4. He is getting it done or at least making headway. It has not even been a year. The outgoing globalist Obama administration via the globalist media has had him tied up in russiagate since November 2016. The american people will are just now waking up to what myself and many other have been saying for over 1.5 years...that he is telling you the truth.

1. No disagreement. But... our demographics are such that we still need an influx of educated workers (younger would be preferable).

2. We should see the same growth out of India. Why? Because under developed countries grow faster (I will assume this is obvious and doesn't need justification).

3. No - manufacturing is falling world wide. What we need is manufacturing that is on the edges - macro, micro and not "standard" manufacturing. You are already seeing manufacturing jobs leave China, why?

4. No, he isn't getting it done. I wish it was the case - but it isn't. And don't get me wrong. I hope that he can increase what are partners spend on defense and hope that he can negotiate a fairer NAFTA (on this end, our partners seem like they aren't willing to negotiate).

3. agree on the micro and macro and other innovative emerging technologies.

4. we can debate "getting it done" at a future point in time. You and i are in agreement that "true" tax reform will recapture wealth and redistribute it, and that does NOT occur in the tax bill. Where we disagree is that this tax bill was envisioned by wall street on NOvember 8th. Trump campaigned on it for 15 straight months, after all. Wall street responded, and everyone's 401K is worth about 35% more...and most experts point to the corporate rate decrease from 35 to 21%. So in that regard, the middle class does seem to be reaping MAJOR benefits. During that same 13 month period home values are up almost 7%.

Furthermore I think the infrastructure bill is going to put even more american workers to work. so lower unemployment and even further increase in wages. Both of which will make housing values continue to rise.

The Dow will slow unless he can actually get the NAFTA deal he is looking for and manufacturing picks way up. If that happens can anyone say...rocket fuel??!!!

[JWizmentality]

Who's got popcorn??

Dis gon be good.

[stilldropin20]

damn right! feel the bern, baby!!

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Please explain how you think this is possibly a good thing.

It's raising the cost of tuition and to astronomical amounts. and making our american institutions less and less american. and lowering the average wages to our american workers. Here's how:

1. Over the last 2 decades, more and more students and especially advanced degree student are from foreign nations.
2. Those foreigners will be willing work for less money(which can be a ok in most instances).
3. Many of those foreigners have now become "lower cost" professors at these same universities.
4. so you have more "lower cost" foreign professors with more and more foreign students willing to pay higher amounts for tuition, raising the cost of tuition.
5. Which also Results in a blossoming "un-american" (pro-globalist) agenda/curriculum. So we end up with more and more posters on realgm with distorted un-american points of view. But since they began learning this point of view in College they think its "normal." Which reminds me of this time I was in college and dating this Russian/Ukrainian Chick. Amazing legs for days. heart shaped azz. I mean a literal heart. So for a time i thought russia was cool. But then Barrack and Hillary told me they weren't cool and enemies of the state. but dat azz tho. dat azz.
6. Many of these foreigners from wealthy families will go back to their own country and "work" there so "american" tax dollars that subsidize a lot of these universities dont get the benefit of the elite work force in those instances.
7. I'm former Navy intelligence, frankly, some of these young foreign adults in our universities are spies. Both to the State and private sector.

[DCZards]

The Republican Party is doomed to the ash heap of power it is just a matter of when! In 2015 the majority of babies born the USA were minority babies 1.995 million to 1.982 million non Hispanic whites.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/06/23/its-official-minority-babies-are-the-majority-among-the-nations-infants-but-only-just/
Plus if current polls are correct the independent Quinnipiac Poll the Highest demographic for the Republican Party is 50 to 64 43% Over 65 40%. The 18 to 34 group is the lowest at 25%. The Republican Party has 4% Black and 26% Hispanic support. Plus White Women support at 34% so again it should be doom and gloom because immigration policies are alienating even more minority voters.
https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us12192017_ut17754.pdf/

There is no reason for minoroties to stay with the Democrats. Republicans simply need to expand their platform and make it work for minorities.

Republicans and minorities are actually a natural fit because most minorities are extremely religious or at least somewhat religious where Democrats are more and more atheist

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There is a difference in being religious and a born again zealot (judge Moore) which the radical religious right very little difference than them and radical Islamism. Plus the Republican party has done everything they can to restrict minority voting and redistricting. You are mindbogglingly silly with your comments.

It's silly AND insulting for SD20 to suggest that Repubs and minorities are a "natural fit" because both groups are religious. First of all, Dems are just as religious as Repubs. (Dems, unlike Repubs, don't insist on trying to tell others how or what they should believe.) It speaks well of the Democratic Party that it's as accepting of atheists as it is of people who are very religious. That makes for a big tent and represents the kind of inclusion/diversity that most minorities value and embrace.

More importantly, however, Repubs have shown through their politics and actions (like obvious efforts to suppress the black vote) that they have little or no interest in winning over the votes of black and brown people...and minorities see and know this.

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the actual full quote:

“Even if you thought that this was not treasonous, or unpatriotic, or bad s---, and I happen to think it’s all of that, you should have called the FBI immediately,” he said, adding that if the meeting were to happen, it should have occurred “in a Holiday Inn in Manchester, New Hampshire, with your lawyers who meet with these people” and then the information “dump[ed] … down to Breitbart or something like that, or maybe some other more legitimate publication”.

yeah, so much for that one? fake news, much?

Well, your idol and our President had a different reaction then you.

[stilldropin20]

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[dckingsfan]

4. No, he isn't getting it done. I wish it was the case - but it isn't. And don't get me wrong. I hope that he can increase what are partners spend on defense and hope that he can negotiate a fairer NAFTA (on this end, our partners seem like they aren't willing to negotiate).

Fairer NAFTA? That a tough one to be honest. Much of the concern seems to be over Mexico and automotive sector jobs, but that's the current equivalent of chasing manufacturing jobs that are generally disappearing anyway. But as for partners not seeming willing to negotiate, as I understand it, Wilbur Ross basically admitted they were simply insisting on Canada and Mexico to offer concessions and they weren't actually offering anything in return. That's not actually a negotiation, and it's tough to suggest the other side isn't willing to negotiate in such a circumstance when you come to the table with nothing.

Well, the U.S. is running $140-160B trade deficit per year - it is incumbent on Canada and Mexico to right that ship or the US should indeed pull out.

From what (anecdotal) information I have seen/heard - Mexico & Canada came back with suggested changes that would actually increase the trade deficits. But publically they are attacking a maligned Trump in order to block any changes - brilliant politically from the two camps. And it would be devastating to all to pull out - but in the end it might be the best thing that Trump could do for the Country. Pull out and then let the next Administration negotiate a fairer deal.

[stilldropin20]

Iran was once a beacon of hope for the middle east. Let's hope the Iranian people can overtake their repressive regime. I support the people of iran.

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[dckingsfan]

1. Over the last 2 decades, more and more students and especially advanced degree student are from foreign nations.
2. Those foreigners will be willing work for less money(which can be a ok in most instances).
3. Many of those foreigners have now become "lower cost" professors at these same universities.
4. so you have more "lower cost" foreign professors with more and more foreign students willing to pay higher amounts for tuition, raising the cost of tuition.
5. Which also Results in a blossoming "un-american" (pro-globalist) agenda/curriculum. So we end up with more and more posters on realgm with distorted un-american points of view. But since they began learning this point of view in College they think its "normal." Which reminds me of this time I was in college and dating this Russian/Ukrainian Chick. Amazing legs for days. heart shaped azz. I mean a literal heart. So for a time i thought russia was cool. But then Barrack and Hillary told me they weren't cool and enemies of the state. but dat azz tho. dat azz.
6. Many of these foreigners from wealthy families will go back to their own country and "work" there so "american" tax dollars that subsidize a lot of these universities dont get the benefit of the elite work force in those instances.
7. I'm former Navy intelligence, frankly, some of these young foreign adults in our universities are spies. Both to the State and private sector.

1) But advanced degrees to US Citizens have also increased. So, that is a good thing.
2) Not true of those with advanced degrees
3) Not true, there are just more adjunct (not full-time) professors
4) Nope, no correlation – in fact the opposite. Probably the biggest driving factor on increasing tuition for US born is the guarantee loan program.
5) That may actually be true. And many cite the leaning of colleges to the liberal point of view as a good thing – until it gets politicized which has now happened. It is open warfare on colleges – an unintended consequence of the domination of politics inside university systems.
6) Interesting – we don’t want the rest of the world to be educated. Well, looks like when we aren’t willing to do the job, EU countries are willing to take on that same “underpaid” work.
7) Navy intelligence is clearly an oxymoron in this case

[Wizardspride]

Iran was once a beacon of hope for the middle east. Let's hope the Iranian people can overtake their repressive regime. I support the people of iran.

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It's subtle until you get the end but it's basically an "Islam is bad" op ed.

But then again, it's wnd. I shouldn't be surprised.

That site is basically "birther central".

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Your leader told you these numbers are fake, so why do you keep posting them?

[JWizmentality]

Lol @ Manafort.

[verbal8]

So sd20 are Russians in the Trump Tower meeting the types of potential to watch out for? How about crazy dentists from Chicago.

[verbal8]

Trump shuts down the Fraudulent Election Commission due to lawsuits. It looks like they worked.

[Pointgod]

damn right! feel the bern, baby!!

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Please explain how you think this is possibly a good thing.

It's raising the cost of tuition and to astronomical amounts. and making our american institutions less and less american. and lowering the average wages to our american workers. Here's how:

1. Over the last 2 decades, more and more students and especially advanced degree student are from foreign nations.
2. Those foreigners will be willing work for less money(which can be a ok in most instances).
3. Many of those foreigners have now become "lower cost" professors at these same universities.
4. so you have more "lower cost" foreign professors with more and more foreign students willing to pay higher amounts for tuition, raising the cost of tuition.
5. Which also Results in a blossoming "un-american" (pro-globalist) agenda/curriculum. So we end up with more and more posters on realgm with distorted un-american points of view. But since they began learning this point of view in College they think its "normal." Which reminds me of this time I was in college and dating this Russian/Ukrainian Chick. Amazing legs for days. heart shaped azz. I mean a literal heart. So for a time i thought russia was cool. But then Barrack and Hillary told me they weren't cool and enemies of the state. but dat azz tho. dat azz.
6. Many of these foreigners from wealthy families will go back to their own country and "work" there so "american" tax dollars that subsidize a lot of these universities dont get the benefit of the elite work force in those instances.
7. I'm former Navy intelligence, frankly, some of these young foreign adults in our universities are spies. Both to the State and private sector.

While dckingsfan has already rebutted a lot of your uninformed ramblings I'll say that being exposed to people from different countries and experiences during formative years is nothing but positive. Considering that Americans don't really travel and experience different cultures gaining exposure leads to better personal skills and challenges preconceived notions.

The reasons that most students decide to go back home is because the US makes it hard to work there even if you had gone to school in the States. The final thing I'll say is that foreign students often pay higher fees for their education so the idea that they're leeches on the system is ridiculous. The US actual needs more educated immigrants and immigrants are a net positive for the economy.

[cammac]

Please explain how you think this is possibly a good thing.

It's raising the cost of tuition and to astronomical amounts. and making our american institutions less and less american. and lowering the average wages to our american workers. Here's how:

1. Over the last 2 decades, more and more students and especially advanced degree student are from foreign nations.
2. Those foreigners will be willing work for less money(which can be a ok in most instances).
3. Many of those foreigners have now become "lower cost" professors at these same universities.
4. so you have more "lower cost" foreign professors with more and more foreign students willing to pay higher amounts for tuition, raising the cost of tuition.
5. Which also Results in a blossoming "un-american" (pro-globalist) agenda/curriculum. So we end up with more and more posters on realgm with distorted un-american points of view. But since they began learning this point of view in College they think its "normal." Which reminds me of this time I was in college and dating this Russian/Ukrainian Chick. Amazing legs for days. heart shaped azz. I mean a literal heart. So for a time i thought russia was cool. But then Barrack and Hillary told me they weren't cool and enemies of the state. but dat azz tho. dat azz.
6. Many of these foreigners from wealthy families will go back to their own country and "work" there so "american" tax dollars that subsidize a lot of these universities dont get the benefit of the elite work force in those instances.
7. I'm former Navy intelligence, frankly, some of these young foreign adults in our universities are spies. Both to the State and private sector.

While dckingsfan has already rebutted a lot of your uninformed ramblings I'll say that being exposed to people from different countries and experiences during formative years is nothing but positive. Considering that Americans don't really travel and experience different cultures gaining exposure leads to better personal skills and challenges preconceived notions.

The reasons that most students decide to go back home is because the US makes it hard to work there even if you had gone to school in the States. The final thing I'll say is that foreign students often pay higher fees for their education so the idea that they're leeches on the system is ridiculous. The US actual needs more educated immigrants and immigrants are a net positive for the economy.

Now that I've been branded as a enemy alien by SD20 I'm expecting a clown car to pull up in my driveway. With 10 jack stepping Bozo's ready to interview me and ship me off to Guantanamo Bay to be interviewed by none other than SD better known as Herr SD20 hold insidious dental tools. Chuckling as he mutters I make this Fu.king Socialist Canadian talk! How can be possibly make money in the frozen north. God all those
benefits they get this is outrageous what if people find out. But then again we can keep 1/2 the population underfed. under educated, unhealthy with a dose of born again to rot the little grey matter they have. Firing squad fir that evil Canadian how dare he tell the truth.

[Pointgod]

4. No, he isn't getting it done. I wish it was the case - but it isn't. And don't get me wrong. I hope that he can increase what are partners spend on defense and hope that he can negotiate a fairer NAFTA (on this end, our partners seem like they aren't willing to negotiate).

Fairer NAFTA? That a tough one to be honest. Much of the concern seems to be over Mexico and automotive sector jobs, but that's the current equivalent of chasing manufacturing jobs that are generally disappearing anyway. But as for partners not seeming willing to negotiate, as I understand it, Wilbur Ross basically admitted they were simply insisting on Canada and Mexico to offer concessions and they weren't actually offering anything in return. That's not actually a negotiation, and it's tough to suggest the other side isn't willing to negotiate in such a circumstance when you come to the table with nothing.

Well, the U.S. is running $140-160B trade deficit per year - it is incumbent on Canada and Mexico to right that ship or the US should indeed pull out.

From what (anecdotal) information I have seen/heard - Mexico & Canada came back with suggested changes that would actually increase the trade deficits. But publically they are attacking a maligned Trump in order to block any changes - brilliant politically from the two camps. And it would be devastating to all to pull out - but in the end it might be the best thing that Trump could do for the Country. Pull out and then let the next Administration negotiate a fairer deal.

Well from a simplistic perspective, of course the US is going to run a trade deficit with Canada considering that it's more than 10 times the size of the country. The US is also almost 3 times the size of Mexico. The Mexican middle class hasn't grown like expected but overall NAFTA has benefited all three countries. If you want to know why it hasn't benefited the USA just look to the recent tax bill. The US is setup so corporations and the top 1% reap disproportionate economic benefits while not reinvesting into it's citizens.

[gtn130]

Comcast is raising their prices on 25 mbps internet. Looking forward to innovation swooping in and saving the day!

[queridiculo]

Comcast is raising their prices on 25 mbps internet. Looking forward to innovation swooping in and saving the day!

Yeah, all that competition in this free capitalistic market place is going to make your head spin with all this innovation.

Probably just a preemptive strike in case customers catch onto their cable modem fee shenanigans.