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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1121 » by No-Man » Thu Jan 4, 2018 1:48 am

Markus Howard with 50 and 11 3s, game still going in OT, damn, the guy is ultra young even for a frosh but he is a sophmore! turns 19 in March, obviously he is only 5'11 and he isn't much of a PG, he is a straight-up shooter and scorer, but his metrics are awesome, hasn't missed a FT all year
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1122 » by evtki » Thu Jan 4, 2018 6:22 am

True sleepers: Keenan Evans from Texas Tech. Watch him play vs KU (who they beat) and watch his games vs Trae Young...he’s a big intimidating guard who can disrupt your game on D and get his own on offense.

Also Kevin Hervey from UT-Arlington will likely carry his team to a conference title this year and is an absolute scoring machine. Could be this year’s Kuzma


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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1123 » by evtki » Thu Jan 4, 2018 6:26 am

evtki wrote:True sleepers: Keenan Evans from Texas Tech. Watch him play vs KU (who they beat) and watch his games vs Trae Young...he’s a big intimidating guard who can disrupt your game on D and get his own on offense.

Also Kevin Hervey from UT-Arlington will likely carry his team to a conference title this year and is an absolute scoring machine. Could be this year’s Kuzma


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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1124 » by doordoor123 » Thu Jan 4, 2018 7:39 am

evtki wrote:True sleepers: Keenan Evans from Texas Tech. Watch him play vs KU (who they beat) and watch his games vs Trae Young...he’s a big intimidating guard who can disrupt your game on D and get his own on offense.

Also Kevin Hervey from UT-Arlington will likely carry his team to a conference title this year and is an absolute scoring machine. Could be this year’s Kuzma


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Keenan Evans isn’t an NBA player. He’s an undersized SG without any attributes that make him stand out. If he can become a really good defender he could make it, but he also has a kind slow release. He doesn’t have point guard speed at all.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1125 » by evtki » Thu Jan 4, 2018 8:44 am

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evtki wrote:True sleepers: Keenan Evans from Texas Tech. Watch him play vs KU (who they beat) and watch his games vs Trae Young...he’s a big intimidating guard who can disrupt your game on D and get his own on offense.

Also Kevin Hervey from UT-Arlington will likely carry his team to a conference title this year and is an absolute scoring machine. Could be this year’s Kuzma


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Keenan Evans isn’t an NBA player. He’s an undersized SG without any attributes that make him stand out. If he can become a really good defender he could make it, but he also has a kind slow release. He doesn’t have point guard speed at all.


I like him, but I’m from Texas so follow that pipeline heavily. What’re your thoughts on Hervey? I feel like he’d get more love if he was at a bigger program.


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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1126 » by doordoor123 » Thu Jan 4, 2018 9:44 am

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evtki wrote:True sleepers: Keenan Evans from Texas Tech. Watch him play vs KU (who they beat) and watch his games vs Trae Young...he’s a big intimidating guard who can disrupt your game on D and get his own on offense.

Also Kevin Hervey from UT-Arlington will likely carry his team to a conference title this year and is an absolute scoring machine. Could be this year’s Kuzma


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Keenan Evans isn’t an NBA player. He’s an undersized SG without any attributes that make him stand out. If he can become a really good defender he could make it, but he also has a kind slow release. He doesn’t have point guard speed at all.


I like him, but I’m from Texas so follow that pipeline heavily. What’re your thoughts on Hervey? I feel like he’d get more love if he was at a bigger program.


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I like Hervey a lot, but he’s 23 and will be 24 next year in the NBA. 23 year olds are not taken in the first round ever. My question is Hervey is speed, toughness and size but he’s fluid and is still able to get his rebounds. I compared him to Kuzma because Kuzma had similar issues/strengths in college, but I think it’s pretty unlikely. Kuzma was 2 to 3 inches taller, quicker, had a better vertical and had a better jumper (even though he didn’t shoot in college). Hervey is more suited for a slower game than Kuzma, but he’s really skilled. I haven’t seen him shoot threes outside of corner threes so I question his ability to shoot at that range in the NBA But he’s effective from the corner.
For an undersized center with a slower-pace game, he can be a good Roleplayer. I can’t see him as starting-caliber and he doesn’t have upside.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1127 » by rick32621 » Thu Jan 4, 2018 7:18 pm

I like Mitchell Robinson. At one point, he was considered Top 10, but he went through all that controversy signing, dropping out, and then trying to re-sign with Western Kentucky. He came from a poor family, didn’t take up basketball until high school, got some bad advice, but shot up from 6’2” to 7’1”. There are only a few high school highlights on him, but you can see that he has a quick second jump, he can close the gap on defense and block shots, and he’s not afraid to take the outside shot (though he shoots the ball in front of him, not over his head). Still, as a 7’1” center, most defenses will let him have that shot.

He’s taller than DeAndre Jordan, but doesn’t quite have the freakish wingspan and standing reach, but he’’s close. He has way more advanced offensive skills than DeAndre Jordan. In other words, he can catch and shot. He may not be the rebounding, nor shot blocking machine that DeAndre Jordan is, but he won’t cost $24 mil like DeAndre Jordan does.

I like him for the Clippers wherever they draft (probably #12 or so). I like to point out that Clint Capella was drafted #25 a few years ago. If you re-did the draft, he’d probably be in the Top 10. I think the same thing can happen with Mitchell Robinson. Plus, the Clippers can afford to bring him along slowly.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1128 » by No-Man » Fri Jan 5, 2018 12:24 am

I might take Cameron Johnson top20, or close, I really really like him
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1129 » by doordoor123 » Fri Jan 5, 2018 1:01 am

Young players with high-end physical ability are so valuable. After the game last night with Terrence Ferguson it became apparent to me.
Age is important because once they’re older you should be asking yourself why they aren’t already in the NBA. Usually it’s because they aren’t ready. When a player has the physical ability, they’re ready for the NBA. It’s why there are so many freshmen declaring now, they’re physically gifted, which makes them ready. The only time those players spend time developing on the bench or in the G-league is because A. The roster is full B. They aren’t mentally ready or C. There is something beyond basketball going on. I’m not saying they don’t often need to develop, but they have a low floor so they’re able to get minutes even while they develop. By this theory, for freshmen it’s better to find a guy with a high floor because it means he has the physical ability to play now and he’ll get the minutes to get even better.
I’m not saying older players can’t also be successful, but since their physical ability is so tantalizing for NBA teams, they want those players in the NBA as soon as possible. If a Players has physical advantages that aren’t extreme they won’t mind if the player stays, but it also means that player likely has a lower ceiling. If this makes no sense I apologize, I’m under legal drug influence. I think I’m onto something though.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1130 » by Stillwater » Sat Jan 6, 2018 10:28 pm

Ky Bowman BC looks legit
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1131 » by No-Man » Sun Jan 7, 2018 11:03 am

Markus Howard is ridiculous, I think he can actually play PG for real, he is poised, but he plays with two guys that pass and create also in Hauser and Rowsey so it's better for them if he is strictly a shooter

I think he is a 1st round guy
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1132 » by Ruzious » Sun Jan 7, 2018 5:49 pm

Fischella wrote:Markus Howard is ridiculous, I think he can actually play PG for real, he is poised, but he plays with two guys that pass and create also in Hauser and Rowsey so it's better for them if he is strictly a shooter

I think he is a 1st round guy

Not to mention that he was arguably the best 3 point shooter in the nation last season - as a 17 year old freshman. Since then, he's addressed his problems with turnovers and fouling. He's taken a big drop shooting "only" about 40% from 3 this season. What will put him higher in the draft is if he goes to the hoop more and draws more foul shots.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1133 » by No-Man » Sun Jan 7, 2018 5:52 pm

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Fischella wrote:Markus Howard is ridiculous, I think he can actually play PG for real, he is poised, but he plays with two guys that pass and create also in Hauser and Rowsey so it's better for them if he is strictly a shooter

I think he is a 1st round guy

Not to mention that he was arguably the best 3 point shooter in the nation last season - as a 17 year old freshman. Since then, he's addressed his problems with turnovers and fouling. He's taken a big drop shooting "only" about 40% from 3 this season. What will put him higher in the draft is if he goes to the hoop more and draws more foul shots.

Yeah he is probably never gonna be a guy that does much in that sense, but if they leverage the threat of his shot... he is a better prospect than the Bryn Forbes or Ian Clarks of the world since he can play point

defense might be an issue with his size but I like his frame, the thing is he probably needs to be a back-up unless he gets drafted by a team with a point-forward, still feel like he can be worth a shot in the 25-40 range.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1134 » by Klomp » Sun Jan 7, 2018 9:32 pm

Deeeeep sleeper here, but Hayden Dalton could be a name to monitor. If not in the second round, maybe in Vegas.

He's only 6-foot-8 and thin, but has been putting up some impressive numbers for Wyoming, averaging 17/8. Already has put up single-game performances of 30/13, 36/15 and 29/12 this year, and had a 21/20 game last year. I wouldn't call him great on defense, but he was primarily responsible for holding (another sleeper) South Dakota State F Mike Daum to 10 points on 2-12 shooting (1-6 3s) back in November, when he's averaging 23 ppg on 48% shooting (40.4% 3s) on the season.

Remember, not too long ago, this was a program that produced another sleeper in Larry Nance Jr. Different head coach now with a different system, but it's still largely the same staff.

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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1135 » by doordoor123 » Sun Jan 7, 2018 10:10 pm

Klomp wrote:Deeeeep sleeper here, but Hayden Dalton could be a name to monitor. If not in the second round, maybe in Vegas.

He's only 6-foot-8 and thin, but has been putting up some impressive numbers for Wyoming, averaging 17/8. Already has put up single-game performances of 30/13, 36/15 and 29/12 this year, and had a 21/20 game last year. I wouldn't call him great on defense, but he was primarily responsible for holding (another sleeper) South Dakota State F Mike Daum to 10 points on 2-12 shooting (1-6 3s) back in November, when he's averaging 23 ppg on 48% shooting (40.4% 3s) on the season.

Remember, not too long ago, this was a program that produced another sleeper in Larry Nance Jr. Different head coach now with a different system, but it's still largely the same staff.



Been saying his name for two years. He killed USC last year and was instantly on my radar. His problem is defense, but he’s really fluid on offense, good passer with good feel, pretty quick and athletic for his height, really skinny, not a good defender, but he hustles. When the season started I was much higher on him, but he’s older and doesn’t play defense. Typically players like that don’t get drafted, but I think he will be at least a second round picks.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1136 » by The-Power » Mon Jan 8, 2018 12:55 am

Any thoughts on Sam Hauser as a prospect for the Warriors or Spurs, or any other team that can let him focus on his strengths including giving him touches in a system predicated on ball- and player-movement?

Also, I know his name has come up before but has anyone seen a couple full games of Ajdin Penava? How reliable would you say his passing is and which team would you like to see giving him a chance?
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1137 » by The-Power » Mon Jan 8, 2018 1:00 am

Fischella wrote:I might take Cameron Johnson top20, or close, I really really like him

What makes him so special in your eyes? After all, he's going to be 23 years old by the time of the draft and doesn't exactly dominate college basketball.
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Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1138 » by No-Man » Mon Jan 8, 2018 9:24 am

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Fischella wrote:I might take Cameron Johnson top20, or close, I really really like him

What makes him so special in your eyes? After all, he's going to be 23 years old by the time of the draft and doesn't exactly dominate college basketball.

Well, first and foremost his shooting is elite, there is little doubt in my mind about that, his release is pristine and he prepares for it off-ball, he is gonna shoot, that alone at 6'8 with length and his frame has value, but then although he doesnt have a left hand, he has a floor game, can dribble some and pass, not a guy that's gonna break down a defense but has nice elevation around the basket.

He has all the tools to be a solid all around support wing, think Joe Ingles type.

Another guy with those that nobody talks about is Tres Tinkle.
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Re: RE: Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1139 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:19 am

Ruzious wrote:Most of us know about Maryland's version of long swing-forward Justin Jackson - as opposed to the Justin Jackson who played for UNC last season. But MD's got an even better prospect in Bruno Fernando. Very energetic player at 6'10, listed at 245 but probably closer to 235. He's a better prospect than Diamond Stone was, imo - mainly because he's in much better shape than Stone. He's got surprisingly good offensive skills - aggressive scorer and shows flashes as a passer, needs to get a little stronger on the boards and should do so, good shot-blocker, he's a little over-aggressive defensively - like most freshman bigs. I expect he'll stay another year in college, but if he's offered a 1st round guarantee, who knows? The best player from Angola.
Bruno is a sleeper no more.

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Re: RE: Re: Potential sleepers 

Post#1140 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:21 am

Fischella wrote:Fernando seems like an okay back-up big, can he defend perimeter players at all? can he pass? I doubt the upside as a 1st round talent is there.

Been from Angola tho, he'd have an easy out since getting a contract in Europe is gonna be easy.
Believe it or not I'm a little concerned about his rebounding.

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