Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4

[WeekapaugGroove]

are the rumors true about McD turning down Kyrie for Bled and our pick ? If so, wtf is McD waiting for? Thats a gift wrapped all-star. Instead we have ???? I dont know, but it sure looks like a no brainer to me now. You dont get that many chances to get top players. And thinking you will be drafting them seems to have a 2-3 yr window of 'lets see' and less than a 50/50 chance of success.

Looking at what we got for Bled, likely a net zero, Jackson was a small price to pay.

First I should note I've been firmly in the they should probably fire McD club for months now. But I've heard that Kyries camp made it known they didn't want to come here and wouldn't stay. If that is actually true then I get why you don't make the move. But if that isn't true it was turned down because McD thought he was giving up too much well then yeah it was a mistake.

*I say 'probably' with the fire McD thing because if some guys like Chriss, Bender, and Jackson show signs of life the rest of this year that combined with Booker taking a leap and Warren getting better might make me lean towards giving him another year. Chriss' play of late has been encouraging for sure.

[bwgood77]

Very few wanted to trade Jackson for Kyrie at the time. Sure, many wanted to trade for Kyrie, but most who did were coming up with alternative packages that they said "Cleveland should take" with some of our other picks, or Chriss or Bender or Warren, etc.

There may have been a couple people wanting to trade Jackson at that time but most were against it. We had a poll about it at the time and it was heavily lopsided.

But the stuff out there was that Kyrie had the list of teams he wanted to play for and that he wanted to play for a solid coach and system and rumors that his team wanted no part of Phx. We had already dealt with disgruntled point guards, had one, and had another disgruntled one in Kyrie on the block who had a list of teams we were not on. Many signs pointed to him not wanting to be here, and we were not about to trade Jackson...and the fans didn't want to trade him for Kyrie's likely limited stay. It is what it is.

[bwgood77]

First all star voting returns....

NBA ALL-STAR VOTING 2018 PRESENTED BY VERIZON

Eastern Conference

Frontcourt

1. Giannis Antetokounmpo (MIL) 863,416
2. LeBron James (CLE) 856,080
3. Joel Embiid (PHI) 433,161
4. Kristaps Porzingis (NYK) 359,459
5. Kevin Love (CLE) 221,969
6. Al Horford (BOS) 120,016
7. Jayson Tatum (BOS) 98,586
8. Andre Drummond (DET) 85,374
9. Enes Kanter (NYK) 83,102
10. Dwight Howard (CHA) 57,730

Guards

1. Kyrie Irving (BOS) 802,834
2. DeMar DeRozan (TOR) 259,368
3. Victor Oladipo (IND) 251,886
4. Ben Simmons (PHI) 210,085
5. John Wall (WAS) 175,990
6. Dwyane Wade (CLE) 165,163
7. Isaiah Thomas (CLE) 87,680
8. Kyle Lowry (TOR) 85,070
9. Bradley Beal (WAS) 71,079
10. Jaylen Brown (BOS) 51,562

Western Conference

Frontcourt

1. Kevin Durant (GSW) 767,402
2. Anthony Davis (NOP) 393,000
3. DeMarcus Cousins (NOP) 356,340
4. Draymond Green (GSW) 325,612
5. Paul George (OKC) 291,495
6. Kawhi Leonard (SAS) 212,650
7. Carmelo Anthony (OKC) 194,239
8. Karl-Anthony Towns (MIN) 188,240
9. Kyle Kuzma (LAL) 184,338
10. LaMarcus Aldridge (SAS) 153,599

Guards

1. Stephen Curry (GSW) 735,115
2. James Harden (HOU) 602,040
3. Russell Westbrook (OKC) 438,469
4. Klay Thompson (GSW) 359,442
5. Manu Ginobili (SAS) 231,460
6. Chris Paul (HOU) 174,343
7. Damian Lillard (POR) 148,622
8. Lonzo Ball (LAL) 120,817
9. Devin Booker (PHO) 91,562
10. Jimmy Butler (MIN) 88,009

http://www.nba.com/article/2018/01/04/2018-nba-all-star-voting-first-returns-revealed#/

[lilfishi22]

Very few wanted to trade Jackson for Kyrie at the time. Sure, many wanted to trade for Kyrie, but most who did were coming up with alternative packages that they said "Cleveland should take" with some of our other picks, or Chriss or Bender or Warren, etc.

There may have been a couple people wanting to trade Jackson at that time but most were against it. We had a poll about it at the time and it was heavily lopsided.

But the stuff out there was that Kyrie had the list of teams he wanted to play for and that he wanted to play for a solid coach and system and rumors that his team wanted no part of Phx. We had already dealt with disgruntled point guards, had one, and had another disgruntled one in Kyrie on the block who had a list of teams we were not on. Many signs pointed to him not wanting to be here, and we were not about to trade Jackson...and the fans didn't want to trade him for Kyrie's likely limited stay. It is what it is.

I was for trading Kyrie but eventually moved away from including the #4 pick when it didn't seem like Kyrie/his camp was saying much to put the Suns near the top of his list. The risk of Kyrie leaving in two years priced the #4 pick out of the package. I still would have given up a good package for him but I didn't think it was worth the #4 pick. JJ kinda sucks right now and Kyrie may have turned this ship around and resign with us but hindsight is 20/20 and I don't think it's worth reviewing the decision right now. Maybe it's worth it from a McD job security point of view but not from a we are where are are perspective.

[Waylay13]

are the rumors true about McD turning down Kyrie for Bled and our pick ? If so, wtf is McD waiting for? Thats a gift wrapped all-star. Instead we have ???? I dont know, but it sure looks like a no brainer to me now. You dont get that many chances to get top players. And thinking you will be drafting them seems to have a 2-3 yr window of 'lets see' and less than a 50/50 chance of success.

Looking at what we got for Bled, likely a net zero, Jackson was a small price to pay.

God why would you trade Bledsoe for Kyrie straight up? Kyrie isnt a point guard he is a self absorbed scorer and would impact Bookers production. We need more of a passing point not less and to give up Jackson who may end up being the best player in one of the deeper drafts is incredibility short sighted. The Suns time isnt now it is coming up in a couple years well after Kyrie would have left the Suns because he would put up with being second to Booker.

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[jcsunsfan]

Lonzo with more votes than Devin. What a joke.

[Blackification]

Giannis with more votes than Lebron is impressive

[hollywood6964]

are the rumors true about McD turning down Kyrie for Bled and our pick ? If so, wtf is McD waiting for? Thats a gift wrapped all-star. Instead we have ???? I dont know, but it sure looks like a no brainer to me now. You dont get that many chances to get top players. And thinking you will be drafting them seems to have a 2-3 yr window of 'lets see' and less than a 50/50 chance of success.

Looking at what we got for Bled, likely a net zero, Jackson was a small price to pay.

That deals done in heartbeat for a pick n willy wonka knees. But for mcmessup, I could see the decline. He actually wanted bledsoe here, even after the injuries. Although Kyrie probably just vetoed the whole thing before it got anywhere in the first place.

[hollywood6964]

Very few wanted to trade Jackson for Kyrie at the time. Sure, many wanted to trade for Kyrie, but most who did were coming up with alternative packages that they said "Cleveland should take" with some of our other picks, or Chriss or Bender or Warren, etc.

There may have been a couple people wanting to trade Jackson at that time but most were against it. We had a poll about it at the time and it was heavily lopsided.

But the stuff out there was that Kyrie had the list of teams he wanted to play for and that he wanted to play for a solid coach and system and rumors that his team wanted no part of Phx. We had already dealt with disgruntled point guards, had one, and had another disgruntled one in Kyrie on the block who had a list of teams we were not on. Many signs pointed to him not wanting to be here, and we were not about to trade Jackson...and the fans didn't want to trade him for Kyrie's likely limited stay. It is what it is.

This seems likely. No big name free agents want to come here, n will do anything in their power to stay clear of the barren desert.

[Waylay13]

Very few wanted to trade Jackson for Kyrie at the time. Sure, many wanted to trade for Kyrie, but most who did were coming up with alternative packages that they said "Cleveland should take" with some of our other picks, or Chriss or Bender or Warren, etc.

There may have been a couple people wanting to trade Jackson at that time but most were against it. We had a poll about it at the time and it was heavily lopsided.

But the stuff out there was that Kyrie had the list of teams he wanted to play for and that he wanted to play for a solid coach and system and rumors that his team wanted no part of Phx. We had already dealt with disgruntled point guards, had one, and had another disgruntled one in Kyrie on the block who had a list of teams we were not on. Many signs pointed to him not wanting to be here, and we were not about to trade Jackson...and the fans didn't want to trade him for Kyrie's likely limited stay. It is what it is.

This seems likely. No big name free agents want to come here, n will do anything in their power to stay clear of the barren desert.

Remember that Blake Griffin asked us to look at him but the Clipper made a top offer before he got here.

[Frank Lee]

God why would you trade Bledsoe for Kyrie straight up? Kyrie isnt a point guard he is a self absorbed scorer and would impact Bookers production. We need more of a passing point not less and to give up Jackson who may end up being the best player in one of the deeper drafts is incredibility short sighted. The Suns time isnt now it is coming up in a couple years well after Kyrie would have left the Suns because he would put up with being second to Booker.

Don't worry, no GM would make that deal... bled for Kyrie... well, at least not any GM who had Kyrie.

Cant you confidently say that about 10 guys could be the best ?

Sorry, Im just not impressed with the way McD handled (mishandled) that whole scenario. More starting talent leaving with no valid talent returning. But hey, as mentioned it is what it is and we are where we are.... trying to be just mediocre enough to ease into a top 5 pick.

Doesn't anyone get tired of this ****.... I mean, there are good players to be had a 13 and 14.

[Qwigglez]

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Knew it, this confirms it.

Suns get-
Dragic
Whiteside

Heat get-
Knight
Monroe
Tyler Ulis
Both Miami picks back

[jcsunsfan]

Read on Twitter

Knew it, this confirms it.

Suns get-
Dragic
Whiteside

Heat get-
Knight
Monroe
Tyler Ulis
Both Miami picks back

Disaster!

[Waylay13]

God why would you trade Bledsoe for Kyrie straight up? Kyrie isnt a point guard he is a self absorbed scorer and would impact Bookers production. We need more of a passing point not less and to give up Jackson who may end up being the best player in one of the deeper drafts is incredibility short sighted. The Suns time isnt now it is coming up in a couple years well after Kyrie would have left the Suns because he would put up with being second to Booker.

Don't worry, no GM would make that deal... bled for Kyrie... well, at least not any GM who had Kyrie.

Cant you confidently say that about 10 guys could be the best ?

Sorry, Im just not impressed with the way McD handled (mishandled) that whole scenario. More starting talent leaving with no valid talent returning. But hey, as mentioned it is what it is and we are where we are.... trying to be just mediocre enough to ease into a top 5 pick.

Doesn't anyone get tired of this ****.... I mean, there are good players to be had a 13 and 14.

you are judging a deal in june by what would happen in Oct. you cant do that. McD had no idea Bled was going to ask out in a could month. but there are are not many star players that i have less respect for then Kyrie so I wouldnt trade him straight up for Bled.

[Frank Lee]

No... I am judging it on Kyrie being worth Bled plus #4 and as it turns out now it is/was Kyrie for Jackson, Monroe, and #16(?)

Do you think Ainge or any GM would make that deal ? not you.... I'm talking Ainge

Hindsight sucks for us..... and it really sucks for McD, but that is what happens when you live by the draft...you can easily die by it... and its a slow death.

[lilfishi22]

God why would you trade Bledsoe for Kyrie straight up? Kyrie isnt a point guard he is a self absorbed scorer and would impact Bookers production. We need more of a passing point not less and to give up Jackson who may end up being the best player in one of the deeper drafts is incredibility short sighted. The Suns time isnt now it is coming up in a couple years well after Kyrie would have left the Suns because he would put up with being second to Booker.

Don't worry, no GM would make that deal... bled for Kyrie... well, at least not any GM who had Kyrie.

Cant you confidently say that about 10 guys could be the best ?

Sorry, Im just not impressed with the way McD handled (mishandled) that whole scenario. More starting talent leaving with no valid talent returning. But hey, as mentioned it is what it is and we are where we are.... trying to be just mediocre enough to ease into a top 5 pick.

Doesn't anyone get tired of this ****.... I mean, there are good players to be had a 13 and 14.

you are judging a deal in june by what would happen in Oct. you cant do that. McD had no idea Bled was going to ask out in a could month. but there are are not many star players that i have less respect for then Kyrie so I wouldnt trade him straight up for Bled.

Hindsight is 20/20 but you could gauge back in March when you start sitting a healthy and in his prime Bledsoe whether he's happy with where we are and what our plan is. Then you have two months after the end of our season to gauge whether Bledsoe was still engaged and upbeat about his role in this rebuilding going forward. McD might not know Bledsoe was going to publicly request a trade (most GM's don't) but I think it's a completely reasonable and even diligent to investigate possible trades that make the team better in the long term. Let's not forget either that Bledsoe was eligible for a new deal and we weren't willing to consider an extension.

I don't particularly respect Kyrie but his talent and impact is undeniable. If you have an opportunity to trade for a top talent, you should do it.

[Waylay13]

No... I am judging it on Kyrie being worth Bled plus #4 and as it turns out now it is/was Kyrie for Jackson, Monroe, and #16(?)

Do you think Ainge or any GM would make that deal ? not you.... I'm talking Ainge

Hindsight sucks for us..... and it really sucks for McD, but that is what happens when you live by the draft...you can easily die by it... and its a slow death.

you can also die by getting players who leave after 2 years because they say they wont say. While Jackson hasnt shined so far this year i think in the end he is still going to be a better player then Kyrie.

[Waylay13]

I don't particularly respect Kyrie but his talent and impact is undeniable. If you have an opportunity to trade for a top talent, you should do it.

his impact was a -120 when he was on the floor and lebron wasnt. What part of that sounds like he is a great player to add?

[Frank Lee]

Bledsoe was leaving sooner.

I'd say either you undervalue Irving, or you will be disappointed.

PS.... I'll go out on a limb here.... POPS wanted Irving.... do I trust his judgement, or yours ?