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Re: Knicks-Heat PG Thread 

Post#161 » by mpharris36 » Sat Jan 6, 2018 4:49 am

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3toheadmelo wrote:but im told it's jack's fault..smh

Jack is still boo boo though.

of course. KP deserves some of the blame though. he let olynyk and james johnson bully him all night. unacceptable


KP def deserves some blame...his energy level is much lower than the start of the year.

But if you don't think playing alongside jack is hurting him people are nuts. Jack gets KP ZERO and i mean ZERO open looks. Frank finds KP a lot in the very small amount of time they play together....that on Jeff

KP is 7'3 he's not a guard or a wing that can create his own shot. So having a guard that can get him looks is vital. The fact we are forcing jack down his throat is beyond belief.
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Re: Knicks-Heat PG Thread 

Post#162 » by mpharris36 » Sat Jan 6, 2018 4:52 am

taj2133 wrote:frank had 5 fouls but should have played but frank has to stop committing stupid fouls he commits to many stupid fouls he got to stop doing that. To be honest with you guys i don't think jeff really like frank and i don't think he wanted him from day 1.


which is good news because jeff wouldn't know talent if it hit him in the face....jeff is toast after this year 100%

he has no clue how to develop players. Jack should be the one with the short leash. Jack should be the one out there with the booty weak offensive minded bench players.

If that was KP or even Kanter finishing franks passes instead of "i pump fake 10 times before I shoot" KOQ then Frank would also have more space to work with because of the attention KP or Kanter require.
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Re: Knicks-Heat PG Thread 

Post#163 » by HEZI » Sat Jan 6, 2018 4:53 am

KP is still about 2 years away. Just like the roster around him needs to improve, so does KP himself. Strength, conditioning, decision making, offense, defense, all needs to get better.
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Re: Knicks-Heat PG Thread 

Post#164 » by Greenie » Sat Jan 6, 2018 4:53 am

god shammgod wrote:
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I hate to say it but posters are doing the same **** with him.

You see all of Melo's wide open looks last night or light coverage?

Spoiler:
they go in

Hey Cap 8-)


yeah, greenie did predict this.....often :lol:



No guards = inconsistent team

All elite teams have guard play.

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Re: Knicks-Heat PG Thread 

Post#165 » by drekwins » Sat Jan 6, 2018 4:56 am

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NYKnicksTAPE wrote:KP deep in the midst of his annual hot start followed by a big decline



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1 good month followed by 1 bad and 2 awful... maybe the first month was just a outlier...
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Re: Knicks-Heat PG Thread 

Post#166 » by Thugger HBC » Sat Jan 6, 2018 4:57 am

mpharris36 wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
Greenie wrote:Jack is still boo boo though.

of course. KP deserves some of the blame though. he let olynyk and james johnson bully him all night. unacceptable


KP def deserves some blame...his energy level is much lower than the start of the year.

But if you don't think playing alongside jack is hurting him people are nuts. Jack gets KP ZERO and i mean ZERO open looks. Frank finds KP a lot in the very small amount of time they play together....that on Jeff

KP is 7'3 he's not a guard or a wing that can create his own shot. So having a guard that can get him looks is vital. The fact we are forcing jack down his throat is beyond belief.

If KP truly cannot create his own shot then the team may need to go in another direction sooner rather than later. In this NBA, your teams best players aren't spoon fed. Role players and secondary options yes, but not your primary guy.

True, the pg should be giving him better scoring chances and in the start of the season that was happening and there's really no debate against it. Of course Jack shouldn't be playing this much at this point, his age and bad defense has caught up.
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Re: Knicks-Heat PG Thread 

Post#167 » by drekwins » Sat Jan 6, 2018 4:58 am

mpharris36 wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
Greenie wrote:Jack is still boo boo though.

of course. KP deserves some of the blame though. he let olynyk and james johnson bully him all night. unacceptable


KP def deserves some blame...his energy level is much lower than the start of the year.

But if you don't think playing alongside jack is hurting him people are nuts. Jack gets KP ZERO and i mean ZERO open looks. Frank finds KP a lot in the very small amount of time they play together....that on Jeff

KP is 7'3 he's not a guard or a wing that can create his own shot. So having a guard that can get him looks is vital. The fact we are forcing jack down his throat is beyond belief.


If he can't create his own shot, he's not a franchise player. Those outside shots are cute and all but 1 on 1 skills combined with good decision making are what make a player a first option.
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Re: Knicks-Heat PG Thread 

Post#168 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Jan 6, 2018 4:58 am

mpharris36 wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
Greenie wrote:Jack is still boo boo though.

of course. KP deserves some of the blame though. he let olynyk and james johnson bully him all night. unacceptable


KP def deserves some blame...his energy level is much lower than the start of the year.

But if you don't think playing alongside jack is hurting him people are nuts. Jack gets KP ZERO and i mean ZERO open looks. Frank finds KP a lot in the very small amount of time they play together....that on Jeff

KP is 7'3 he's not a guard or a wing that can create his own shot. So having a guard that can get him looks is vital. The fact we are forcing jack down his throat is beyond belief.

frank f*cked jeff's daughter. that's why he's not playing over jack
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Re: Knicks-Heat PG Thread 

Post#169 » by Dr. Detfink » Sat Jan 6, 2018 5:02 am

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What's missing from that info dump is the fact, KP has improved helping out on defense, jacked up his blocks, and guys no longer can shove him around as easily as they once did. He's also had to learn how to pass out of double team and let his teammates do their part.
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Post#170 » by taj2133 » Sat Jan 6, 2018 5:02 am

i think we should go after mike james point guard from the suns and got released if we aren't going to do a trade. If we are going to do a trade should go after clarkson, tyreke evans, tyler ennis, or shabazz napier.
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Re: Knicks-Heat PG Thread 

Post#171 » by dakomish23 » Sat Jan 6, 2018 5:09 am

Greenie wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
Greenie wrote:Hey Cap 8-)


yeah, greenie did predict this.....often :lol:



No guards = inconsistent team

All elite teams have guard play.

Remember when Melo was out here BALLING?

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Don’t forget Prigs! Guys just always played better when he was on the floor.
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Re: Knicks-Heat PG Thread 

Post#172 » by Greenie » Sat Jan 6, 2018 5:12 am

dakomish23 wrote:
Greenie wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
yeah, greenie did predict this.....often :lol:



No guards = inconsistent team

All elite teams have guard play.

Remember when Melo was out here BALLING?

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Don’t forget Prigs! Guys just always played better when he was on the floor.

We had him too...as a 3rd stringer.
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Re: Knicks-Heat PG Thread 

Post#173 » by dakomish23 » Sat Jan 6, 2018 5:12 am

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Red Vines wrote:...and props to Beasley for his work but how in the world does iso-Beasley help move this team and organization forward? They're losing sight of the big picture.


More KP and Frank bricks. Yeah. That'll do the trick.


Good. Let them play through the struggles and come out the other side.
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Re: Knicks-Heat PG Thread 

Post#174 » by JBreezeNY » Sat Jan 6, 2018 5:13 am

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mpharris36 wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:of course. KP deserves some of the blame though. he let olynyk and james johnson bully him all night. unacceptable


KP def deserves some blame...his energy level is much lower than the start of the year.

But if you don't think playing alongside jack is hurting him people are nuts. Jack gets KP ZERO and i mean ZERO open looks. Frank finds KP a lot in the very small amount of time they play together....that on Jeff

KP is 7'3 he's not a guard or a wing that can create his own shot. So having a guard that can get him looks is vital. The fact we are forcing jack down his throat is beyond belief.

If KP truly cannot create his own shot then the team may need to go in another direction sooner rather than later. In this NBA, your teams best players aren't spoon fed. Role players and secondary options yes, but not your primary guy.

True, the pg should be giving him better scoring chances and in the start of the season that was happening and there's really no debate against it. Of course Jack shouldn't be playing this much at this point, his age and bad defense has caught up.

Which is why I’ve always laughed at the team vs player arguments over the years on this board.

If you’ve ever played ball whether it’s the Park, organized basketball, high school basketball, college basketball (I’ve done all 4), you’d know there is only so much the team aspect of basketball will carry you. It’s amazing to have players that flow within the offense & hits open shots, but you still need that “dog” in you that decides what a main scorer is and what a complimentary scorer is.

Creating a shot is not KP’s strength.....at all.

He can go in the post and hit a fade or a hook, he can awkwardly dribble & awkwardly put up a shot that goes in but giving him the ball telling him to make a decision whether it’s creating a shot or setting up shots for others is not his strength.

And to be honest we don’t have 5 years to figure it out, we’re on a timetable & we have to decide if he’s the 1st option or the 2nd option. We made that mistake twice already with Amare & Melo, which is why once again this season is infuriating me to no end because this is the last season before the draft reform & the perfect rebuilding year to be terrible out the gate.

But I digress, KP so far doesn’t have the attitude where he can say I don’t need to be spoon fed I got this. And there is nothing wrong with that, he just can’t be our franchise player if that’s the case. It’s not fair of the position he’s in because of the surrounding players he has but life isn’t fair.
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Re: Knicks-Heat PG Thread 

Post#175 » by Adelheid » Sat Jan 6, 2018 5:14 am

BBALLER4FR wrote:It's amazing how high profile NBA personnel are willing to risk their careers making mind numbing decisions when they come to NY. The only one to make it out to the other side is Mike D'Antoni. Larry Brown, Isiah Thomas, Mike Woodson, Dereck Fisher, Phil Jackso... where are they now?

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Post#176 » by ibraheim718 » Sat Jan 6, 2018 5:15 am

bkzfinest11 wrote:
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His is a journey man, and has been all his career. he will always be that. time to trade him at deadline.


He's a nice bench piece.


if a bench piece is your key starter then there is something even more wrong with this team.


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Post#177 » by Greenie » Sat Jan 6, 2018 5:16 am

JBreezeNY wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
KP def deserves some blame...his energy level is much lower than the start of the year.

But if you don't think playing alongside jack is hurting him people are nuts. Jack gets KP ZERO and i mean ZERO open looks. Frank finds KP a lot in the very small amount of time they play together....that on Jeff

KP is 7'3 he's not a guard or a wing that can create his own shot. So having a guard that can get him looks is vital. The fact we are forcing jack down his throat is beyond belief.

If KP truly cannot create his own shot then the team may need to go in another direction sooner rather than later. In this NBA, your teams best players aren't spoon fed. Role players and secondary options yes, but not your primary guy.

True, the pg should be giving him better scoring chances and in the start of the season that was happening and there's really no debate against it. Of course Jack shouldn't be playing this much at this point, his age and bad defense has caught up.

Which is why I’ve always laughed at the team vs player arguments over the years on this board.

If you’ve ever played ball whether it’s the Park, organized basketball, high basketball, college basketball (I’ve done all 4), you’d know there is only so much the team aspect of basketball will carry you. It’s amazing to have players that flow within the offense & hits open shots, but you still need that “dog” in you that decides what a main scorer is and what a complimentary scorer is.

Creating a shot is not KP’s strength.....at all.

He can go in the post and hit a fade or a hook, he can awkwardly dribble & awkwardly put up a shot that goes in but giving him the ball telling him to make a decision whether it’s creating a shot or setting up shots for others is not his strength.

And to be honest we don’t have 5 years to figure it out, we’re on a timetable & we have to decide if he’s the 1st option or the 2nd option. We made that mistake twice already with Amare & Melo, which is why once again this season is infuriating me to no end because this is the last season before the draft reform & the perfect rebuilding year to be terrible out the gate.

But I digress, KP so far doesn’t have the attitude where he can say I don’t need to be spoon fed I got this. And there is nothing wrong with that, he just can’t be our franchise player if that’s the case. It’s not fair of the position he’s in because of the surrounding players he has but life isn’t fair.


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Re: Knicks-Heat PG Thread 

Post#178 » by MP4LIFE » Sat Jan 6, 2018 5:17 am

How long is the Melo trolling going to go on?

Nobody wants to be in every thread discussing Melo. A select few posters are hijacking threads with garbage posts about a volume scorer who never won anything in his career. It has gone beyond a nuisance.
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Re: Knicks-Heat PG Thread 

Post#179 » by dakomish23 » Sat Jan 6, 2018 5:17 am

Capn'O wrote:
god shammgod wrote:kp is getting doubled and has a 3rd guy shading him sometimes. and during all the clutch possessions they couldn't or didn't even bother to get him the ball. how can you blame him for a close loss then ?


I hate to say it but posters are doing the same **** with him.

You see all of Melo's wide open looks last night or light coverage?

Spoiler:
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Post#180 » by Capn'O » Sat Jan 6, 2018 5:19 am

Greenie wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
god shammgod wrote:kp is getting doubled and has a 3rd guy shading him sometimes. and during all the clutch possessions they couldn't or didn't even bother to get him the ball. how can you blame him for a close loss then ?


I hate to say it but posters are doing the same **** with him.

You see all of Melo's wide open looks last night or light coverage?

Spoiler:
they go in

Hey Cap 8-)


Hey, Melo's time here was done but I always said if OKC figured it out they'd be a formidable team. The Knicks just don't have the horses, which is really for the best. I wasn't complaining about the wins but without Hardaway .500 and playoffs is a no go.
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