Knicks-Heat PG Thread

[ibraheim718]

Sooooo you’re agreeing with us then?

Agreeing with you??? I said last year he doesn't look like an alpha. But who cares??? He's fuqing awesome.

Ok

So trade him for an "alpha" ? Demarcus Cousins is an "alpha".. You guys need to learn that alpha males don't always take home the kill.

[JBreezeNY]

KP is a dominant defensive force and an elite finisher. He'll have some moves in his prime but I don't think he's a guy where you give him the ball and something happens. Physique and skillset more than anything. Hardaway is that a bit and they'll need another guy. Frank might have it too. I wouldn't count him out. He has the frame to do just about anything but with him I do think mindset is an issue. With these pieces it will have to be a committee.

I think with KP, Frank & Hardaway there is a potential of 3 GREAT two way players & we would be missing that one elite guy to put us over the top. Maybe we could get that player in the draft or through free agency.

[ibraheim718]

Prime Pau Gasol is a heck of a player.. ask Kobe "the alpha" Bryant.

[Fury]

Agreeing with you??? I said last year he doesn't look like an alpha. But who cares??? He's fuqing awesome.

Ok

So trade him for an "alpha" ? Demarcus Cousins is an "alpha".. You guys need to learn that alpha males don't always take home the kill.

KP is the Omega

[ibraheim718]

The first tweet in response to the KP/Gasol article. He nails it.

1. Pau is a future Hall of Famer.
2. KP is taller, and more athletic with more range on his shot.
3. KP is young. His game will get better as he gets stronger.
4. Even if he isn't a 1(a), he's a 1(b) No player wins alone.
5. So, Pau is an insult-seriously!?

[Adelheid]

KP may not be the alpha that most expect right now, but damn he is still a player I would want for the Knicks. Just needs to get a good serving of the humble pie and some good coaching.

[JBreezeNY]

Agreeing with you??? I said last year he doesn't look like an alpha. But who cares??? He's fuqing awesome.

Ok

So trade him for an "alpha" ? Demarcus Cousins is an "alpha".. You guys need to learn that alpha males don't always take home the kill.

Who said anything about trading him or anything with Cousins?

Cousins plays on the Pelicans, any quips that I made about him for KP in the past was when I was joking around.

Alphas might not take home the kill but there is a better percentage that he will. Having a collective of players that are good but not franchise talents is fine but you still need a franchise talent to put you over the top. This isn’t 2004 when you had the Pistons win it.

We both agree KP is great, don’t see the issue.

[Capn'O]

KP is a dominant defensive force and an elite finisher. He'll have some moves in his prime but I don't think he's a guy where you give him the ball and something happens. Physique and skillset more than anything. Hardaway is that a bit and they'll need another guy. Frank might have it too. I wouldn't count him out. He has the frame to do just about anything but with him I do think mindset is an issue. With these pieces it will have to be a committee.

I think with KP, Frank & Hardaway there is a potential of 3 GREAT two way players & we would be missing that one elite guy to put us over the top. Maybe we could get that player in the draft or through free agency.

Yup. Free agency is a tough go unless kanter opts out. Incremental trades could get us somewhere too.

The upside over the D'Antoni years is we actually have all our picks but it's a narrow path. Very little room for error. We need to hit home runs and maybe get some lottery magic. The upcoming draft is serious business.

[JBreezeNY]

KP is a dominant defensive force and an elite finisher. He'll have some moves in his prime but I don't think he's a guy where you give him the ball and something happens. Physique and skillset more than anything. Hardaway is that a bit and they'll need another guy. Frank might have it too. I wouldn't count him out. He has the frame to do just about anything but with him I do think mindset is an issue. With these pieces it will have to be a committee.

I think with KP, Frank & Hardaway there is a potential of 3 GREAT two way players & we would be missing that one elite guy to put us over the top. Maybe we could get that player in the draft or through free agency.

Yup. Free agency is a tough go unless kanter opts out. Incremental trades could get us somewhere too.

The upside over the D'Antoni years is we actually have all our picks but it's a narrow path. Very little room for error. We need to hit home runs and maybe get some lottery magic. The upcoming draft is serious business.

Eloquently stated.

Do you think it’s possible we trade Lee & Quinn for a first? Enes would be a long shot but maybe something for him as well.

Perfect scenario is by draft time we have 2-3 picks and use them to trade up.

[OpiumDose]

KP deep in the midst of his annual hot start followed by a big decline

Those numbers are wrong - the only number that's right is for the October ; for the rest of the months they have shown 3P%, not FG% Actually his FG% by months is 48%, 46%, 41% and 33%. Still a clear decline, but much better than what's seen in that picture.

[MP4LIFE]

Aren’t you a PBP? Sit down somewhere.

What does that have to do with Melo trolling?

You sit down. Melo isn't on the team anymore. Go discuss him somewhere else.

It has to do with everything, you were banned already, technically you’re not supposed to even be back on the board.

And who is trolling about Melo?

Capn (a mod) brought him up, and I brought him up along with Amare in context of the discussion of KP & not making a mistake.

So quit crying and understand the conversation that’s going on.

Melo has been mentioned in nearly every thread since he’s been traded, and usually to insult Porzingis and the franchise and play up how great Melo is/was.

Keep coming at me my dude. I’m taking very easy tonight. It’s a very cold night. You’re sitting here getting angry at 1 AM about Melo. How many times are you gonna keep quoting me? Obviously my post affected you.

[TruthBeTold]

GIANTS FANS, IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON FROM ELI AND BUILD A BETTER OFFENSIVE LINE FOR THE FUTURE.



OH, about the Knicks. You can't have a winning culture without winning talent and good coaching. Just ask the contenders. Knicks didn't want to listen to me like always. What will they gain after this season and will they be drafting another player for the bench?

[Capn'O]

I think with KP, Frank & Hardaway there is a potential of 3 GREAT two way players & we would be missing that one elite guy to put us over the top. Maybe we could get that player in the draft or through free agency.

Yup. Free agency is a tough go unless kanter opts out. Incremental trades could get us somewhere too.

The upside over the D'Antoni years is we actually have all our picks but it's a narrow path. Very little room for error. We need to hit home runs and maybe get some lottery magic. The upcoming draft is serious business.

Eloquently stated.

Do you think it’s possible we trade Lee & Quinn for a first? Enes would be a long shot but maybe something for him as well.

Perfect scenario is by draft time we have 2-3 picks and use them to trade up.

We have to be looking at those options. I'm not sure how good a pick we can get with those assets though. I looked at some of the teams awhile back and thought somewhere in the 20 range maybe? The other option some are bringing up is those two or Kanter could be moved for a guy like George Hill. That's playing with fire but on paper a lineup of him, Frank, and Tim at the 1-3 would be tough to stop... for a year. Probably too limited a window.

There's the Euro option with late picks again too. That guy Bonga could be another high upside grab.

[JBreezeNY]

What does that have to do with Melo trolling?

You sit down. Melo isn't on the team anymore. Go discuss him somewhere else.

It has to do with everything, you were banned already, technically you’re not supposed to even be back on the board.

And who is trolling about Melo?

Capn (a mod) brought him up, and I brought him up along with Amare in context of the discussion of KP & not making a mistake.

So quit crying and understand the conversation that’s going on.

Melo has been mentioned in nearly every thread since he’s been traded, and usually to insult Porzingis and the franchise and play up how great Melo is/was.

Keep coming at me my dude. I’m taking very easy tonight. It’s a very cold night. You’re sitting here getting angry at 1 AM about Melo. How many times are you gonna keep quoting me? Obviously my post affected you.

[HarthorneWingo]

KP is a dominant defensive force and an elite finisher. He'll have some moves in his prime but I don't think he's a guy where you give him the ball and something happens. Physique and skillset more than anything. Hardaway is that a bit and they'll need another guy. Frank might have it too. I wouldn't count him out. He has the frame to do just about anything but with him I do think mindset is an issue. With these pieces it will have to be a committee.

Nah, THIS macdaddy has "it."

Spoiler:

He did it again tonight.

[Capn'O]

KP is a dominant defensive force and an elite finisher. He'll have some moves in his prime but I don't think he's a guy where you give him the ball and something happens. Physique and skillset more than anything. Hardaway is that a bit and they'll need another guy. Frank might have it too. I wouldn't count him out. He has the frame to do just about anything but with him I do think mindset is an issue. With these pieces it will have to be a committee.

Nah, THIS macdaddy has "it."

Spoiler:

He did it again tonight.

Good point, Haw. The Beas is the savior we deserve.

[Phish Tank]

Summary:

Sorry, this game was really a doozy for most of the first three quarters until Beasley got us back in the game in the 4th quarter to eventually get us to into overtime. Then we couldn't get any easy buckets in OT and ended up losing.

Not that I really care too much. I can only state the obvious each and every loss. Jack plays too much, Kyle does stupid things, on and on and on.

The reality is that this is just the beginning of a long process. We overachieved the first 30 games or so and have hit a wall. Everyone has hit a wall. The reason we've hit a wall is because our players are being asked to do things beyond their own limit.

However, the team is in a tough place because we won a lot of games early on - with KP, Frank, Timmy, Kanter, etc. playing a big role in those victories. Think about the message it sends if we just - at 3-4 games under 500 - just start playing Dotson and Willy major minutes and bench Jack, Lee, Kyle, and others. It would just send a terrible terrible message. Forget the thought of veterans helping young players ....

Look, Jack and Frank are pretty much literally splitting the point guard duties 50/50 at this point. Jack's not a starter anymore and Frank's not ready. We barely have patience with KP now, throw Frank in the wolves being 4 games under 500 and it might be bad. Not everyone can start and play major minutes right away. And we'd do a disservice by just starting and playing rooks big minutes right now.

Lee right now is trying to play the role of 2nd option right now in the rotation. He's really - at best - a 4th option. Kanter really should be coming off the bench. Lance Thomas should be a bench player and is also asked to do too much.

KP's learning how hard it is to be a #1 option. Timmy's not even a real #2 option either.

Add all of the above up and you have people playing way above their heads and have hit a great wall. But in the process of hitting the great wall, they're still competitive in most of the games, even when KP's struggling or Frank's not getting a lot of minutes.

Just a weird spot. But all the bad teams this year and last have dealt with similar problems. The Lakers are in a deeper problem because none of the vets are there to tell their players to stop sulking.

We have no business being only 3 games under 500, but that's where we are and you can't just throw everything in the tank right now. Just trust a process, work hard in practice, and perhaps work on things a step at a time.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

KP deep in the midst of his annual hot start followed by a big decline

In reality....do you think he'll ever have the conditioning needed to be the man? I mean, I know Giannis was skinny as hell, granted, a bit smaller....but he had no problem moving around a lot more without getting so tired and looking so beat. Granted, different animals....but do you think he'll get his body to where it actually needs to be?

I hope so, but I’d be lying if I said that I didn’t have some doubt

the way he’s been going so far in his career he’d be dead by the time the playoffs start whenever the Knicks are a real playoff team...it’s like he hits a rookie wall every year

my biggest fear for him is injuries

[HarthorneWingo]

KP is a dominant defensive force and an elite finisher. He'll have some moves in his prime but I don't think he's a guy where you give him the ball and something happens. Physique and skillset more than anything. Hardaway is that a bit and they'll need another guy. Frank might have it too. I wouldn't count him out. He has the frame to do just about anything but with him I do think mindset is an issue. With these pieces it will have to be a committee.

Nah, THIS macdaddy has "it."

Spoiler:

He did it again tonight.

Good point, Haw. The Beas is the savior we deserve.

Yeah, that's right. Macdaddy Pimpmobile has been moving and grooving. Where's Mr. Hater, KT1214? I know he's hiding from me.

[HarthorneWingo]

Summary:

Sorry, this game was really a doozy for most of the first three quarters until Beasley got us back in the game in the 4th quarter to eventually get us to into overtime. Then we couldn't get any easy buckets in OT and ended up losing.

Not that I really care too much. I can only state the obvious each and every loss. Jack plays too much, Kyle does stupid things, on and on and on.

The reality is that this is just the beginning of a long process. We overachieved the first 30 games or so and have hit a wall. Everyone has hit a wall. The reason we've hit a wall is because our players are being asked to do things beyond their own limit.

However, the team is in a tough place because we won a lot of games early on - with KP, Frank, Timmy, Kanter, etc. playing a big role in those victories. Think about the message it sends if we just - at 3-4 games under 500 - just start playing Dotson and Willy major minutes and bench Jack, Lee, Kyle, and others. It would just send a terrible terrible message. Forget the thought of veterans helping young players ....

Look, Jack and Frank are pretty much literally splitting the point guard duties 50/50 at this point. Jack's not a starter anymore and Frank's not ready. We barely have patience with KP now, throw Frank in the wolves being 4 games under 500 and it might be bad. Not everyone can start and play major minutes right away. And we'd do a disservice by just starting and playing rooks big minutes right now.

Lee right now is trying to play the role of 2nd option right now in the rotation. He's really - at best - a 4th option. Kanter really should be coming off the bench. Lance Thomas should be a bench player and is also asked to do too much.

KP's learning how hard it is to be a #1 option. Timmy's not even a real #2 option either.

Add all of the above up and you have people playing way above their heads and have hit a great wall. But in the process of hitting the great wall, they're still competitive in most of the games, even when KP's struggling or Frank's not getting a lot of minutes.

Just a weird spot. But all the bad teams this year and last have dealt with similar problems. The Lakers are in a deeper problem because none of the vets are there to tell their players to stop sulking.

We have no business being only 3 games under 500, but that's where we are and you can't just throw everything in the tank right now. Just trust a process, work hard in practice, and perhaps work on things a step at a time.

Still too early for the full tank protocol to go into effect. We'll know in between now and the trade deadline.