Tom Brady went to Robert Kraft demanding Bill Belichick trade Jimmy Garoppolo

[ash_k]

sorry are you talking about a 3rd RD pick?

Yes!

looking at those options objectively, the best thing was trade him outside of the Division and AFC for a 2nd RD pick..instead of losing him for nothing

Again, worse case, you gain a 3rd Round pick if he signed elsewhere. Some team would have offered him starting money, which means that the Patriots would have received a 3rd rounder in 2019. It's better than nothing.

Forgive me If I prefer a 2nd RD pick over a 3rd Pick; giving me a better chance to select another Garoppolo.
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport said that Garoppolo turned down MULTIPLE contract offers from New England. Jimmy wanted to go as TB12 was not slowing down.

You were not going to wait and watch him sign with the Dolphins/Jets on your watch.. cmon now you know better...sending him to the NFC, to a division that you face like once every 4 years made the most sense.

last week, they talked about TB's arm fatigue which I found amusing cause he was actually OVERTHROWING to Cooks of all receivers!!

[Otis Driftwood]

We are all going to get the answer to this little episode within hours of the end of this season. Or - within hours of the end of the Patriots season.

I know one thing... if Little Bill leaves, all of you Patriot fans are gonna be chasing your tails trying to spin this. Good luck.

[ash_k]

ENJOY WILDCARD WEEKEND!

[laika]

We are all going to get the answer to this little episode within hours of the end of this season. Or - within hours of the end of the Patriots season.

I know one thing... if Little Bill leaves, all of you Patriot fans are gonna be chasing your tails trying to spin this. Good luck.

I'm not going to spin it. I'll state it directly- Brady is right and Belichick is wrong.

First, there is one thing that is indisputable- With both being free agents there was no way the Patriots could reasonably have kept them both this summer. Brady is correct that they were going to have to choose. It would have been too damaging to the team to give a huge portion of their salary cap to a backup QB.
Brady is also right that they unquestionably should have chosen him. Brady is the GOAT and the greatest sports figure in New England history. Not only that, but he is still one of the best QBs in the league or even the best. If any player in history deserves the right to finish out his career then Brady does. If sports is about zero loyalty and ruthlessly discarding even the best player ever while still great then what is the point at all? There has to be something more to it than just cheering for a uniform. If Belichick truly can't understand that then F him. Let him go try to win with the Browns again.

[wco81]

If the 49ers could ship out Montana, why wouldn't Bellichek consider choosing Garoppolo?

[laika]

If the 49ers could ship out Montana, why wouldn't Bellichek consider choosing Garoppolo?

The situations aren't remotely the same. Montana missed two years in a row due to injury. Young was the best QB in the league in those two years.

[Worm Guts]

We are all going to get the answer to this little episode within hours of the end of this season. Or - within hours of the end of the Patriots season.

I know one thing... if Little Bill leaves, all of you Patriot fans are gonna be chasing your tails trying to spin this. Good luck.

I'm not going to spin it. I'll state it directly- Brady is right and Belichick is wrong.

First, there is one thing that is indisputable- With both being free agents there was no way the Patriots could reasonably have kept them both this summer. Brady is correct that they were going to have to choose. It would have been too damaging to the team to give a huge portion of their salary cap to a backup QB.
Brady is also right that they unquestionably should have chosen him. Brady is the GOAT and the greatest sports figure in New England history. Not only that, but he is still one of the best QBs in the league or even the best. If any player in history deserves the right to finish out his career then Brady does. If sports is about zero loyalty and ruthlessly discarding even the best player ever while still great then what is the point at all? There has to be something more to it than just cheering for a uniform. If Belichick truly can't understand that then F him. Let him go try to win with the Browns again.

It may be cold hearted, but the correct football move if you think Garappolo is a franchise QB, is to choose him. Brady is going to be done sometime within the next 2 seasons. It could be as early as next year.

[Otis Driftwood]

We are all going to get the answer to this little episode within hours of the end of this season. Or - within hours of the end of the Patriots season.

I know one thing... if Little Bill leaves, all of you Patriot fans are gonna be chasing your tails trying to spin this. Good luck.

I'm not going to spin it. I'll state it directly- Brady is right and Belichick is wrong.

First, there is one thing that is indisputable- With both being free agents there was no way the Patriots could reasonably have kept them both this summer. Brady is correct that they were going to have to choose. It would have been too damaging to the team to give a huge portion of their salary cap to a backup QB.
Brady is also right that they unquestionably should have chosen him. Brady is the GOAT and the greatest sports figure in New England history. Not only that, but he is still one of the best QBs in the league or even the best. If any player in history deserves the right to finish out his career then Brady does. If sports is about zero loyalty and ruthlessly discarding even the best player ever while still great then what is the point at all? There has to be something more to it than just cheering for a uniform. If Belichick truly can't understand that then F him. Let him go try to win with the Browns again.

It may be cold hearted, but the correct football move, if you think Garappolo is a franchise QB, is to choose him. Brady is going to be done sometime within the next 2 seasons. It could be as early as next year.

Exactly. It’s a young man’s league. I don’t care how great Brady is (GOAT in my book). The idea is for continued success. You do that by keeping your roster young.

And - if Patriot fans think they can easily replace arguably the greatest coach of all time - go ahead. The Browns have been trying to replace Marty Schottenheimer for 30 years and he was no Belichick. The Cowboys have been trying to replace Jimmy since 1994. Haven’t yet.

[bluejerseyjinx]

I'm not going to spin it. I'll state it directly- Brady is right and Belichick is wrong.

First, there is one thing that is indisputable- With both being free agents there was no way the Patriots could reasonably have kept them both this summer. Brady is correct that they were going to have to choose. It would have been too damaging to the team to give a huge portion of their salary cap to a backup QB.
Brady is also right that they unquestionably should have chosen him. Brady is the GOAT and the greatest sports figure in New England history. Not only that, but he is still one of the best QBs in the league or even the best. If any player in history deserves the right to finish out his career then Brady does. If sports is about zero loyalty and ruthlessly discarding even the best player ever while still great then what is the point at all? There has to be something more to it than just cheering for a uniform. If Belichick truly can't understand that then F him. Let him go try to win with the Browns again.

It may be cold hearted, but the correct football move, if you think Garappolo is a franchise QB, is to choose him. Brady is going to be done sometime within the next 2 seasons. It could be as early as next year.

Exactly. It’s a young man’s league. I don’t care how great Brady is (GOAT in my book). The idea is for continued success. You do that by keeping your roster young.

And - if Patriot fans think they can easily replace arguably the greatest coach of all time - go ahead. The Browns have been trying to replace Marty Schottenheimer for 30 years and he was no Belichick. The Cowboys have been trying to replace Jimmy since 1994. Haven’t yet.

Too bad Jerry still owns our team. I'd love to have Bellichik In Big - D.

[therealbig3]

I'm not going to spin it. I'll state it directly- Brady is right and Belichick is wrong.

First, there is one thing that is indisputable- With both being free agents there was no way the Patriots could reasonably have kept them both this summer. Brady is correct that they were going to have to choose. It would have been too damaging to the team to give a huge portion of their salary cap to a backup QB.
Brady is also right that they unquestionably should have chosen him. Brady is the GOAT and the greatest sports figure in New England history. Not only that, but he is still one of the best QBs in the league or even the best. If any player in history deserves the right to finish out his career then Brady does. If sports is about zero loyalty and ruthlessly discarding even the best player ever while still great then what is the point at all? There has to be something more to it than just cheering for a uniform. If Belichick truly can't understand that then F him. Let him go try to win with the Browns again.

It may be cold hearted, but the correct football move, if you think Garappolo is a franchise QB, is to choose him. Brady is going to be done sometime within the next 2 seasons. It could be as early as next year.

Exactly. It’s a young man’s league. I don’t care how great Brady is (GOAT in my book). The idea is for continued success. You do that by keeping your roster young.

And - if Patriot fans think they can easily replace arguably the greatest coach of all time - go ahead. The Browns have been trying to replace Marty Schottenheimer for 30 years and he was no Belichick. The Cowboys have been trying to replace Jimmy since 1994. Haven’t yet.

But it's also not like Brady is GOAT based on past performance. He's likely going to win MVP this year and is still the best QB in the league. He's still playing at an ATG level. And the Pats are poised to win SBs as long as he's still got it. How do you break that up for the possibility that Garoppolo is a franchise QB that will lead you to SBs down the line? You're essentially giving up your shot at a title for the next couple of years, when you could easily win 1-2 SBs over that time with Brady.

[LAKESHOW]

Giants need to load up the wagon, and drop the cash on bills doorstep

[FNQ]

https://football.realgm.com/wiretap/39827/Browns-Were-Willing-To-Trade-No-4-Overall-Pick-For-Jimmy-Garoppolo

Hmm, if the Browns were willing to give up the Texans 1st, at any point, isn't that better than the Niners 2nd? Why were teams frozen out? If the Patriots, unified, decided to trade Jimmy mid-season (which is still a terrible idea despite one lone dissenter), why didnt they try and generate a trade market?

There were a couple other NFC teams who would likely have jumped in - Giants, Cardinals - and plenty of AFC teams who were not a threat to the Patriots - Browns, Dolphins, Jets - as well as good AFC teams that may have paid a huge premium to get Jimmy - Buffalo, Jacksonville, Denver. So why did the Pats only negotiate with one team and sell him far below what he could have gotten elsewhere? Trying to pass this off as normal is crazy

[FNQ]

If sports is about zero loyalty and ruthlessly discarding even the best player ever while still great then what is the point at all?

Winning.

There has to be something more to it than just cheering for a uniform.

Nope. Sports are entertainment, not something to be deified. Salus populi suprema lex esto. The continued success of the team is the supreme law.

If Belichick truly can't understand that then F him. Let him go try to win with the Browns again.

I think more teams than just CLE would open their doors for Belicheck, if he wanted to continue coaching. The Patriots have cut, traded, or walked away from many players, some elite, some just good. Brady, at 40 years old, used the past to leverage his future in New England. So, hopefully they win another title while Brady is still here. If they don't, then Belicheck was right.

[therealbig3]

Belichick apparently saying that he's absolutely staying in NE and that he didn't even read the report that came out.

So like I said...maybe this is all being blown out of proportion?

[El Turco]

right, just before the most important game of the year he was going to talk about how much he hates his team.

[FNQ]

Belichick apparently saying that he's absolutely staying in NE and that he didn't even read the report that came out.

So like I said...maybe this is all being blown out of proportion?

It was always doubtful that Belicheck was going to leave the Patriots - I mean, he was supposedly talking about "leaving" the Patriots with Jimmy in charge. So there probably isn't a next stop for Belicheck.

But this was obviously bungled, somewhere. Even if for some reason you dont believe Wickersham's reports, trading Jimmy for below market value in the middle of the season is as strange as strange gets.

[therealbig3]

right, just before the most important game of the year he was going to talk about how much he hates his team.

Right, like he had to comment on it at all.

[El Turco]

sure he did, if he ignored the questions that would have been as bad as admitting to everything in the article. Pretty standard public figure b.s.