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Re: UCF Football (13-0): Champions 

Post#861 » by EasternMagic » Sat Jan 6, 2018 5:24 pm

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Who? And sounds like you are going by this year alone.

How many Navy, Memphis, USF, and UCF games did you watch this year? That's the question I've asked three times.

Could lump in Houston and SMU in on a good day. For UCF, sure, I'll go by this year alone, but that's what we are talking about: UCF being validated on their wins from this year. Even so, throughout the short history of the American, the teams listed along with Houston and SMU have been at least mid-tier power 5 talent.

This year in particular, Memphis, USF, Navy, and UCF, from my perspective (and I watched a decent amount of ACC games), were certainly better than UNC, Duke, Virginia, Pitt, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Syracuse, Wake Forest, and Boston College. And then UCF, USF, and Memphis were better than Virginia Tech, Louisville, and NC State. And that UCF was better than Miami and Clemson.
Out of all of those claims, the only one I feel like I may be reaching on is UCF being the better team than Clemson.

What about the Big 12? I don't think it's a far reach by any standard stating that UCF, USF, and Memphis could play with/beat Texas, West Virginia, Kansas State, Iowa State (Memphis lost by 1 point, and had a TD called back because of a stupid penalty), Texas Tech (USF did beat them), Baylor, or Kansas. I think UCF could beat TCU, Oklahoma State for sure. And I think they'd have a pretty decent shot against Oklahoma. (Again, out of all these claims, the furthest reach here is UCF vs Oklahoma, even though I think it's possible).


What about the Pac 12? UCF, USF, and Memphis got Colorado, Utah, UCLA (Memphis did beat them), Arizona, ASU, Oregon State, Cal, and Oregon for sure. And I don't exactly hate their chances against Washington State, Washington, Stanford, and USC. I think UCF could 100% beat those three.

I'd say I watched at least one game of 87% of the teams mentioned, some more than one game, and I really don't feel like it's a stretch to make the claim I have made. I'm not going to claim that our entire conference is better than an entire power 5 conference by any means right now, but the top three teams in our conference and even Navy on some standards are better than A LOT of these teams listed. The point being, our two wins against Memphis, our win against USF, and our win against Navy (the one that snapped the longest home field winning streak in the nation) should be viewed as significant wins.

Here's an important note to add on, as I'm sure you will disagree with my post here: I really did not believe any of this for myself until about 7 games into the season, after watching these American teams keep winning and playing good football (not just good AAC football; good football) and watching these power five teams play either a very similar or subpar brand. Will it last? The odds are not in our favor. When a POS team like Kansas can receive $35 million/year compared to UCF/USF/Memphis' $3 mil.

The structure is flawed, obviously, so when we have a year like this, not just UCF but Memphis and USF, we have to double down on the success.


On any given Saturday, yes, anyone can beat anyone. But do it every single week. One game isn’t the challenge, that is.

Not one thing UCF, Memphis or USF did this year gave me any reason to believe they have a shot at any fewer than 3 loses with such a schedule.

The best of the best this year couldn’t escape without one loss. So there is one for you. The way UCF plays just asks for trouble. They did a great job of avoiding the big mistakes this year but they did have them... a lot. With a tougher schedule those will happen more and better teams will punish you more. At least two loses will come from sloppy games. That is why the boring, ground and pound SEC always wins.


I mean, I obviously disagree with some of your points here, but I'm not going to re-write that whole post. Agree to disagree.
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Re: UCF Football (13-0): Champions 

Post#862 » by Nemesis21 » Sat Jan 6, 2018 5:53 pm

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EasternMagic wrote:How many games did you watch them play?



Who? And sounds like you are going by this year alone.

How many Navy, Memphis, USF, and UCF games did you watch this year? That's the question I've asked three times.

Could lump in Houston and SMU in on a good day. For UCF, sure, I'll go by this year alone, but that's what we are talking about: UCF being validated on their wins from this year. Even so, throughout the short history of the American, the teams listed along with Houston and SMU have been at least mid-tier power 5 talent.

This year in particular, Memphis, USF, Navy, and UCF, from my perspective (and I watched a decent amount of ACC games), were certainly better than UNC, Duke, Virginia, Pitt, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Syracuse, Wake Forest, and Boston College. And then UCF, USF, and Memphis were better than Virginia Tech, Louisville, and NC State. And that UCF was better than Miami and Clemson.
Out of all of those claims, the only one I feel like I may be reaching on is UCF being the better team than Clemson.

What about the Big 12? I don't think it's a far reach by any standard stating that UCF, USF, and Memphis could play with/beat Texas, West Virginia, Kansas State, Iowa State (Memphis lost by 1 point, and had a TD called back because of a stupid penalty), Texas Tech (USF did beat them), Baylor, or Kansas. I think UCF could beat TCU, Oklahoma State for sure. And I think they'd have a pretty decent shot against Oklahoma. (Again, out of all these claims, the furthest reach here is UCF vs Oklahoma, even though I think it's possible).


What about the Pac 12? UCF, USF, and Memphis got Colorado, Utah, UCLA (Memphis did beat them), Arizona, ASU, Oregon State, Cal, and Oregon for sure. And I don't exactly hate their chances against Washington State, Washington, Stanford, and USC. I think UCF could 100% beat those three.

I'd say I watched at least one game of 87% of the teams mentioned, some more than one game, and I really don't feel like it's a stretch to make the claim I have made. I'm not going to claim that our entire conference is better than an entire power 5 conference by any means right now, but the top three teams in our conference and even Navy on some standards are better than A LOT of these teams listed. The point being, our two wins against Memphis, our win against USF, and our win against Navy (the one that snapped the longest home field winning streak in the nation) should be viewed as significant wins.

Here's an important note to add on, as I'm sure you will disagree with my post here: I really did not believe any of this for myself until about 7 games into the season, after watching these American teams keep winning and playing good football (not just good AAC football; good football) and watching these power five teams play either a very similar or subpar brand. Will it last? The odds are not in our favor. When a POS team like Kansas can receive $35 million/year compared to UCF/USF/Memphis' $3 mil.

The structure is flawed, obviously, so when we have a year like this, not just UCF but Memphis and USF, we have to double down on the success.



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Re: UCF Football (13-0): “National Champions” 

Post#863 » by UCF » Sat Jan 6, 2018 6:07 pm

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Re: UCF Football (13-0): Champions 

Post#864 » by EasternMagic » Sat Jan 6, 2018 6:18 pm

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Who? And sounds like you are going by this year alone.

How many Navy, Memphis, USF, and UCF games did you watch this year? That's the question I've asked three times.

Could lump in Houston and SMU in on a good day. For UCF, sure, I'll go by this year alone, but that's what we are talking about: UCF being validated on their wins from this year. Even so, throughout the short history of the American, the teams listed along with Houston and SMU have been at least mid-tier power 5 talent.

This year in particular, Memphis, USF, Navy, and UCF, from my perspective (and I watched a decent amount of ACC games), were certainly better than UNC, Duke, Virginia, Pitt, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Syracuse, Wake Forest, and Boston College. And then UCF, USF, and Memphis were better than Virginia Tech, Louisville, and NC State. And that UCF was better than Miami and Clemson.
Out of all of those claims, the only one I feel like I may be reaching on is UCF being the better team than Clemson.

What about the Big 12? I don't think it's a far reach by any standard stating that UCF, USF, and Memphis could play with/beat Texas, West Virginia, Kansas State, Iowa State (Memphis lost by 1 point, and had a TD called back because of a stupid penalty), Texas Tech (USF did beat them), Baylor, or Kansas. I think UCF could beat TCU, Oklahoma State for sure. And I think they'd have a pretty decent shot against Oklahoma. (Again, out of all these claims, the furthest reach here is UCF vs Oklahoma, even though I think it's possible).


What about the Pac 12? UCF, USF, and Memphis got Colorado, Utah, UCLA (Memphis did beat them), Arizona, ASU, Oregon State, Cal, and Oregon for sure. And I don't exactly hate their chances against Washington State, Washington, Stanford, and USC. I think UCF could 100% beat those three.

I'd say I watched at least one game of 87% of the teams mentioned, some more than one game, and I really don't feel like it's a stretch to make the claim I have made. I'm not going to claim that our entire conference is better than an entire power 5 conference by any means right now, but the top three teams in our conference and even Navy on some standards are better than A LOT of these teams listed. The point being, our two wins against Memphis, our win against USF, and our win against Navy (the one that snapped the longest home field winning streak in the nation) should be viewed as significant wins.

Here's an important note to add on, as I'm sure you will disagree with my post here: I really did not believe any of this for myself until about 7 games into the season, after watching these American teams keep winning and playing good football (not just good AAC football; good football) and watching these power five teams play either a very similar or subpar brand. Will it last? The odds are not in our favor. When a POS team like Kansas can receive $35 million/year compared to UCF/USF/Memphis' $3 mil.

The structure is flawed, obviously, so when we have a year like this, not just UCF but Memphis and USF, we have to double down on the success.



3 games each, of each team.


That's not a low amount at all. (point of asking was not to slight you, mainly just curious)
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Re: UCF Football (13-0): “National Champions” 

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Re: UCF Football (13-0): “National Champions” 

Post#866 » by UCF » Sat Jan 6, 2018 8:11 pm

Really going to miss Smith. He’s got pro bowl potential imo.

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Re: UCF Football (13-0): “National Champions” 

Post#867 » by silent1900 » Sat Jan 6, 2018 8:29 pm

UCF wrote:Really going to miss Smith. He’s got pro bowl potential imo.

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I will definitely miss watching him play, but I am happy for him and Akins. They must have gotten favorable projections, which is awesome.

Feel pretty good with Snelson and Gabe coming back though.
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Re: UCF Football (13-0): “National Champions” 

Post#868 » by UCFJayBird » Sat Jan 6, 2018 10:03 pm

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I will definitely miss watching him play, but I am happy for him and Akins. They must have gotten favorable projections, which is awesome.

Feel pretty good with Snelson and Gabe coming back though.


We're stacked at WR and RB. Tight End is a bigger gap because all 3 are leaving. Should be fine though.

Best of luck to all players declaring.


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Re: UCF Football (13-0): “National Champions” 

Post#870 » by Bensational » Sat Jan 6, 2018 10:52 pm

I've unstickied this thread because it's been getting more action than basketball content on this forum lately, which is fine, but even more depressing to see a football thread at the top of our forum.

It's still around, just not stickied.
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Re: UCF Football (13-0): “National Champions” 

Post#871 » by UCFJayBird » Sat Jan 6, 2018 11:10 pm

Bensational wrote:I've unstickied this thread because it's been getting more action than basketball content on this forum lately, which is fine, but even more depressing to see a football thread at the top of our forum.

It's still around, just not stickied.


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Re: UCF Football (13-0): “National Champions” 

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Re: UCF Football (13-0): “National Champions” 

Post#873 » by UCF » Sat Jan 6, 2018 11:59 pm

Bensational wrote:I've unstickied this thread because it's been getting more action than basketball content on this forum lately, which is fine, but even more depressing to see a football thread at the top of our forum.

It's still around, just not stickied.


Sorry, but we’ve had this thread for years at the top. I’ve stickied it again. Hopefully the trade deadline will bring some interest back to the magic and the sad season we’ve had. We’ll be talking UCF basketball after Monday.
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Re: UCF Football (13-0): “National Champions” 

Post#874 » by EasternMagic » Sun Jan 7, 2018 12:27 am

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Bensational wrote:I've unstickied this thread because it's been getting more action than basketball content on this forum lately, which is fine, but even more depressing to see a football thread at the top of our forum.

It's still around, just not stickied.


Sorry, but we’ve had this thread for years at the top. I’ve stickied it again. Hopefully the trade deadline will bring some interest back to the magic and the sad season we’ve had. We’ll be talking UCF basketball after Monday.

One day the Magic will generate as much hype as UCF... but ya this thread has been stocked for as long as I can remember


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Post#875 » by nymets1 » Sun Jan 7, 2018 12:28 am

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Bensational wrote:I've unstickied this thread because it's been getting more action than basketball content on this forum lately, which is fine, but even more depressing to see a football thread at the top of our forum.

It's still around, just not stickied.


Sorry, but we’ve had this thread for years at the top. I’ve stickied it again. Hopefully the trade deadline will bring some interest back to the magic and the sad season we’ve had. We’ll be talking UCF basketball after Monday.


I might go to the UCF basketball tomorrow at noon vs Temple and wear my 2017 UCF national champs t-shirt. Temple isn't an opponent to get excited about but I think I'm going tomorrow. I don't have a ticket right now but I probably wait to buy it at the box office right outside the arena.
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Great to see Dr. Phillips supporting the university.

Anyone going to the parade tomorrow?
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Re: UCF Football (13-0): “National Champions” 

Post#878 » by UCF » Sun Jan 7, 2018 1:06 pm

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craig01 wrote:I think he might be referencing home and home series.

Some of the upper tier of P5 now is doing neutral site games.

Folks say we should schedule harder, well ... that's limited to basically one and done games. And means a team like Ucf gives up a home game or two every year. Let's see, the sec teams bring home about 30 mil annually, while the AAC sees about 3 mil per team. That causes more disparity in income between them and us.

They don't want to give up a home game for the same reasons as us.

Revenue.


they do neutral sites because they get a split of the revenue from that game, instead of playing an away game where they get nothing. Play a neutral site game, get some money, play a big name opponent. problem solved.


I’d be okay with this as long as it wasn’t from one of the six home games. Danny White has made it clear he wants seven home games on the schedule going forward. It’s all about revenue.
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Re: UCF: “National Champions” (13-0) 

Post#879 » by craig01 » Sun Jan 7, 2018 1:36 pm

The thread has been on here longer than I have.

Sure, lots of activity this week, but that will slow down dramatically in the next week or two.

I'd like the sticky to stay.

It's too bad the basketball team is buried underneath losses again this year.
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Re: UCF Football (13-0): “National Champions” 

Post#880 » by tiderulz » Sun Jan 7, 2018 1:54 pm

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craig01 wrote:I think he might be referencing home and home series.

Some of the upper tier of P5 now is doing neutral site games.

Folks say we should schedule harder, well ... that's limited to basically one and done games. And means a team like Ucf gives up a home game or two every year. Let's see, the sec teams bring home about 30 mil annually, while the AAC sees about 3 mil per team. That causes more disparity in income between them and us.

They don't want to give up a home game for the same reasons as us.

Revenue.


they do neutral sites because they get a split of the revenue from that game, instead of playing an away game where they get nothing. Play a neutral site game, get some money, play a big name opponent. problem solved.


I’d be okay with this as long as it wasn’t from one of the six home games. Danny White has made it clear he wants seven home games on the schedule going forward. It’s all about revenue.

oh, completely agree. as it is how you gain revenue

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