Gamethread: Cavaliers @ Magic

[pepe1991]

Unfortunately that was all offensive stats still based on plus minus, which has already been debunked as a stat to base an argument on. You just keep going back to the well over and over since it's apparently all you have.

And you still miss the entire point. The team is now playing a wing based offense instead of a post offense with Vuc. It is much better to watch, more energy, and team is competing much harder. Last night was easy evidence of this.

No one thinks Biz is good at offense. No one is making that argument.

Biased opinion. in 4 of 6 games without Vuć they didn't even reach their season average in ppg. I alredy posted how much efficiency for Evan and Gordon actually dropped since Vuc is out.

Net rating counts points differential in 100 possessions. BIyombo has -14,3. How da hell is that only offensive stat? Stats should
exclude him from that because he is not capable of playing offense? Can we exclude half of his salary since he isn't capable of playing 50% of sport he plays for money ?

And no, you didn't debunked anything, you just decide to ignore offense like it's not part of the basketball when it comes to him. Turning blind eye on his inabaility to look like basketball player whenever he crosses halfcourt from D to O.

Nope, I made the observation that the team is playing faster with more energy and fight than prior. And based on games like last nights, the Nets game, the Heat game that we barely lost - I am right. And again, many others have made this observation in game threads, not just myself.

You came barreling in with rambling accusations towards me that have nothing to do with what I was saying. And they still really don't. Your argument of plus minus has been torn apart and you are basically changing the argument now every single post, while my message has stayed the same.

I give up , winning debates on internet isn't on top of my priorities and you keep ignoring stats and facts and keep talking about " looking better in barley lost to Nets" . Irony in that is amazing.

[CajunBall]

Payton played well last night. I'm just going to say that because no one seems to have anything to say when he plays well. I like watching this lineup led by Payton, Hezonja and Gordon even if the wins aren't there.

[PennytoShaq]

Biased opinion. in 4 of 6 games without Vuć they didn't even reach their season average in ppg. I alredy posted how much efficiency for Evan and Gordon actually dropped since Vuc is out.

Net rating counts points differential in 100 possessions. BIyombo has -14,3. How da hell is that only offensive stat? Stats should
exclude him from that because he is not capable of playing offense? Can we exclude half of his salary since he isn't capable of playing 50% of sport he plays for money ?

And no, you didn't debunked anything, you just decide to ignore offense like it's not part of the basketball when it comes to him. Turning blind eye on his inabaility to look like basketball player whenever he crosses halfcourt from D to O.

Nope, I made the observation that the team is playing faster with more energy and fight than prior. And based on games like last nights, the Nets game, the Heat game that we barely lost - I am right. And again, many others have made this observation in game threads, not just myself.

You came barreling in with rambling accusations towards me that have nothing to do with what I was saying. And they still really don't. Your argument of plus minus has been torn apart and you are basically changing the argument now every single post, while my message has stayed the same.

I give up , winning debates on internet isn't on top of my priorities and you keep ignoring stats and facts and keep talking about " looking better in barley lost to Nets" . Irony in that is amazing.

Winning debates on the internet is not your priority? You are the one that attacked my and post said I was a liar and fact manipulator. Maybe you should lay off the attacks and go at it with someone else if you want a fight that's easier for you.

The Nets are a team that plays hard every night and are a tough matchup regardless of record. I brought them up because only talented teams beat them or ones that play hard the entire game. No irony at all, just basic knowledge of the current NBA landscape.

[Xatticus]

I saw some good signs from AG at the end of the game when he apologised to Mario for not passing to him when he was open on the perimeter and also the visible ‘f**k me’ on the bench after he fouled out following his error driving to the basket.

You can tell he wants to get there and he’s still just 22 so I’m confident he’ll get better.

Yeah. He isn't a selfish player. He has a new set of tools that he is learning to utilize. He has come so far in the last couple years. I believe the playmaking will come. He really struggled to hit shots last night, but he attacked the basket relentlessly and has really developed a nice touch around the rim. He has that ultra quick second leap to follow up his own misses. Only the great athletes have that.

He just has to get better at selling the contact he draws when he was in the paint. He spent a lot of time barking at the refs last night for calls. He has to learn from watching someone like Isaiah Thomas, who has a talent for manufacturing whistles when the defender does absolutely nothing wrong. I thought it was rather funny last night when they showed the slow-motion replay of Augustin chasing Thomas around a screen. JT was saying how last year it would've been two free throws, but the replay showed that Augustin didn't even foul him.

[Xatticus]

I watched the highlights again just now and it's insane how much more confident Iwundu is playing. That off hand behind the back move on the fast break was something I could not imagine him doing just 3 months ago.

This type of stuff is why I like the Biz/Birch type of C. Let the wings run and initiate offense. It clearly aids in their development.

Yeah. He looks so much more comfortable out there. For those that have been critical of Isaac so far, he hasn't overcome that rookie anxiousness yet. He still has to settle down, but that process has been delayed by the ankle injury. Iwundu was still really nervous when he was guarding LeBron. He got happy feet every time he was matched up on him defensively.

That steal that turned into the behind-the-back dribble and alley-oop to AG was gorgeous. He has the tools to be a terrific player in this league and he is figuring it out pretty quickly. If he was 19-years-old and had a solid jumpshot, he would've been a top five pick in the draft.

[Xatticus]

For those that didn't get to see the game last night:

Watch on YouTube

[Bensational]

For those that didn't get to see the game last night:

Watch on YouTube

The behind the back into the alley, so beautiful to watch.

I like that our guys want to try and add a bit of razzle dazzle to their play, even if they screw it up once in a while. When they get it right, it’s worth it.

Also, OT to this, but that dunk by Hezonja at the end of the game really hasn’t had enough attention. He had some crazy speed and athleticism on display with that play!

[Furinkazan]

Hezonja is definitely good enough to play in todays NBA.

I look players like Booker and Mitchell, McCollum before them - they all have a very long leash and so much patience and understanding from their coach, gm, team, fans.

If Hez had so much chance and opportunity like those guys he would be a beast. The talent is there, confidence would go up, understanding of the game would go up.

Such a shame what the Magic did with this talented young man.

This what Ive been telling these knuckleheads for years but instead got he is worst nba player he will be out of the league soon responses.

[Furinkazan]

Anyway that was a great game.Enjoyed it.Propably one of the most enjoyable loses I ever watched in my life.

also few things from Cavs feed

Hezonja avg 14+ppg while starter.They said many "people" are still interested in him and he has a good future in the NBA.
Was said that Magic fans dont like him.
and lastly
AG would be very tough to contain if he had a good point guard.

kapayaa shots fired at Elf