Star Wars Episode VIII - SPOILERS

[Oscirus]

Blah blah blah ... if you're not a fanboy hurt this isn't the Star Wars you wanted then you probably work for Warner Brothers as desperate as you are to discredit TLJ's blockbuster status.


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Which is why I've repeatedly called it a blockbuster.

You're such a disney bitch. How many porgs did you buy so far? 10, 20?

Try zero, Warner Bros bitch. See how easy and stupid that is?

To repeat someone with a comeback that makes no sense? Sure, really stupid on your part.
But whatever we won't know if what I'm saying is true for another two years so enjoy your porgs and I will come back to this conversation when my theories likely proven right in two years.

[prophet_of_rage]

Which is why I've repeatedly called it a blockbuster.

You're such a disney bitch. How many porgs did you buy so far? 10, 20?

Try zero, Warner Bros bitch. See how easy and stupid that is?

To repeat someone with a comeback that makes no sense? Sure, really stupid on your part.
But whatever we won't know if what I'm saying is true for another two years so enjoy your porgs and I will come back to this conversation when my theories likely proven right in two years.

May the Force be with you. So now, however, what is your metric for being proven right, because I know you'll claim to be right no matter what. Is it that the movie has to make 4 billion dollars or its a failure? It has to surpass the domestic gross of Force Awakens or Last Jedi? Only three Star Wars films have passed 1 billion. Phantom Menace, Force Awakens and Jedi. So tell me what has to be achieved for you to be right and more importantly for you to be wrong.

Until then, maybe you should try hugging a porg. You seem fixated on them.

[prophet_of_rage]

Seems George was right.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/11/george-lucas-star-wars-jar-jar-binks



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[Sark]

Well it seems like Rian Johnson did a lot of experimenting. So Lucas was wrong.

[rammagen]

I did not like this movie. I am not invested to either side, the First order who are they and how did they get control from a rebel force whcih should have had control after the first trilogy....How did the rebel forces loose control anyway after they destroyed the emperor and the second deathstar?
These movies should have done better explaining the back storry. Also spoiler
Luke astral projected himself to death while receiving really no physical harm why not just leap out before the he is hit with the Ben's light saber? I understand the whole need for balance but come on now....
Also if they would the hero and the villain seem a little too whiny. As a child in the 70s that lovd these movies they have certainly seemed to have taken a turn for the worse. I actually liked Rouge one though.
Seems olike they are going the route of wash rinse repeat for the trilogy, orphan on a desert planet discovers he has a power which turns out to be some blood disorder leaves planet, finds mentor ...mentor dies.... fights evil wins some looses some then ultimately triumphs

[prophet_of_rage]

I did not like this movie. I am not invested to either side, the First order who are they and how did they get control from a rebel force whcih should have had control after the first trilogy....How did the rebel forces loose control anyway after they destroyed the emperor and the second deathstar?
These movies should have done better explaining the back storry. Also spoiler
Luke astral projected himself to death while receiving really no physical harm why not just leap out before the he is hit with the Ben's light saber? I understand the whole need for balance but come on now....
Also if they would the hero and the villain seem a little too whiny. As a child in the 70s that lovd these movies they have certainly seemed to have taken a turn for the worse. I actually liked Rouge one though.
Seems olike they are going the route of wash rinse repeat for the trilogy, orphan on a desert planet discovers he has a power which turns out to be some blood disorder leaves planet, finds mentor ...mentor dies.... fights evil wins some looses some then ultimately triumphs

Both Luke and Anakin were whiny too. Seems that is either a Skywalker characteristic or a Star Wars trope. Lucas' treatment for this new trilogy was supposed to be about teenagers and Disney rejected it out of fear of the backlash to the Prequels.


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[prophet_of_rage]

Well it seems like Rian Johnson did a lot of experimenting. So Lucas was wrong.

And the 'fans' have done nothing but complain. It's funny to me that Star Wars IV was the only movie that wasn't criticized. Eight films of the saga and only one got universal praise.





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[rammagen]

I did not like this movie. I am not invested to either side, the First order who are they and how did they get control from a rebel force whcih should have had control after the first trilogy....How did the rebel forces loose control anyway after they destroyed the emperor and the second deathstar?
These movies should have done better explaining the back storry. Also spoiler
Luke astral projected himself to death while receiving really no physical harm why not just leap out before the he is hit with the Ben's light saber? I understand the whole need for balance but come on now....
Also if they would the hero and the villain seem a little too whiny. As a child in the 70s that lovd these movies they have certainly seemed to have taken a turn for the worse. I actually liked Rouge one though.
Seems olike they are going the route of wash rinse repeat for the trilogy, orphan on a desert planet discovers he has a power which turns out to be some blood disorder leaves planet, finds mentor ...mentor dies.... fights evil wins some looses some then ultimately triumphs

Both Luke and Anakin were whiny too. Seems that is either a Skywalker characteristic or a Star Wars trope. Lucas' treatment for this new trilogy was supposed to be about teenagers and Disney rejected it out of fear of the backlash to the Prequels.


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I can see that but Luke never seemed like a whiny little snot like Anakin. The Ben Solo is just so hard to have any feeling invested into for this reason. where as Luke you felt something for him because they showed his family dying, where and Anakin and Ben seemed to have everything available to them at an early age and for them is seems like spoiled rich kid issues.
Luke worked at farm.

Anakin was discovered early and apprenticed prolly the same with Ben Solo. For me it just seems like they had the world for the grasping but are whiny spoiled brats that are hard to like or really dislike. The word I think I want to us is disdain for both characters

[prophet_of_rage]

I did not like this movie. I am not invested to either side, the First order who are they and how did they get control from a rebel force whcih should have had control after the first trilogy....How did the rebel forces loose control anyway after they destroyed the emperor and the second deathstar?
These movies should have done better explaining the back storry. Also spoiler
Luke astral projected himself to death while receiving really no physical harm why not just leap out before the he is hit with the Ben's light saber? I understand the whole need for balance but come on now....
Also if they would the hero and the villain seem a little too whiny. As a child in the 70s that lovd these movies they have certainly seemed to have taken a turn for the worse. I actually liked Rouge one though.
Seems olike they are going the route of wash rinse repeat for the trilogy, orphan on a desert planet discovers he has a power which turns out to be some blood disorder leaves planet, finds mentor ...mentor dies.... fights evil wins some looses some then ultimately triumphs

Both Luke and Anakin were whiny too. Seems that is either a Skywalker characteristic or a Star Wars trope. Lucas' treatment for this new trilogy was supposed to be about teenagers and Disney rejected it out of fear of the backlash to the Prequels.


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I can see that but Luke never seemed like a whiny little snot like Anakin. The Ben Solo is just so hard to have any feeling invested into for this reason. where as Luke you felt something for him because they showed his family dying, where and Anakin and Ben seemed to have everything available to them at an early age and for them is seems like spoiled rich kid issues.
Luke worked at farm.

Anakin was discovered early and apprenticed prolly the same with Ben Solo. For me it just seems like they had the world for the grasping but are whiny spoiled brats that are hard to like or really dislike. The word I think I want to us is disdain for both characters

Anakin was a slave. He didn't have anything special. It was just that Hayden Christiansen was a very poor actor and Lucas a bad director of human beings. I take your point he was hard to like. Lucas wrote himself into a corner trying to reverse engineer Vader. The character was never more than a faceless heavy in Star Wars but ended up being bigger than expected and Lucas decided to make him special. With all the trouble that entailed. Ren, on the other hand, was always a villain and is merely a spoiled rich kid with rich kid issues. That's why he's so villainous because he really is a craven insecure failure that is propped up by his name and inherent abilities from genealogy. He is the essence of privilege. He could be great, but he chooses to be a churl. He never fell. He leaped. That's what is great about the character.

As for Hamill's Luke not coming across as whiny in Star Wars, watch it without nostalgia, he whines about everything from Tattooine, to missing time with his friends, to the Mellenium Falcon, to the space port, to the Force, to lifting an X-wing, etc. He whines throughout Star Wars and half of Return of the Jedi. And acted it poorly as well.

In truth, watching the original trilogy repeatedly with my son I realize that the characters were very thin. I can see why Ford wanted Han to die to give meaning to his character. Everybody was pretty one note and I have no idea why Leia spoke half the film in a British accent and then American the rest of the way. Like, why didn't anybody ask what was up with that?

[MP4LIFE]

Prophet is on a mission to tell everyone this is a great movie.

[IllmaticHandler]

Prophet is the most annoying mofo in this thread and needs to STFU. Dude wont even let anyone have their own view of the movie in peace. A person said he did not like it? here he comes swooping in. He has everything to say when someone does not like it. He calls people fan boys, but he saw the movie 4+ times. Even Fury fell back and respected peoples views. This cat always yapping. The dude tried to tell me what was a let down for me...and speak for me.... Thats how far he has his head up his own ass.

[DrKnick]

Star Wars is life, son!

[BloodyQ]

Finally watched this.

I don't know what the **** that was......

It was basically a 45 minute story stretched out to 2 and a half hours. There was barely a story, and barely any action (at least the type I wanted to see).

I really don't give a damn either way, absolutely don't even care about the next one.

LOL @ Snoke's death.....it was badass but still......absurd.

[IllmaticHandler]

YO KT...its fake but stillll...... I prob wont be excited for SW again untill this actually drops.

Watch on YouTube

[Sark]

It just lost to Jumanji, and the China opening was a dud. RIP Star Wars.

[NBA Fan 1234]

YO KT...its fake but stillll...... I prob wont be excited for SW again untill this actually drops.

Watch on YouTube

We need this.

[IllmaticHandler]

YO KT...its fake but stillll...... I prob wont be excited for SW again untill this actually drops.

Watch on YouTube

It just popped in my head that Christopher Nolan should have been the director of this New Trilogy. I think he would have taken it somewhere truly special.

Imagine him at minimum telling Kenobis Story....

[rammagen]

Both Luke and Anakin were whiny too. Seems that is either a Skywalker characteristic or a Star Wars trope. Lucas' treatment for this new trilogy was supposed to be about teenagers and Disney rejected it out of fear of the backlash to the Prequels.


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I can see that but Luke never seemed like a whiny little snot like Anakin. The Ben Solo is just so hard to have any feeling invested into for this reason. where as Luke you felt something for him because they showed his family dying, where and Anakin and Ben seemed to have everything available to them at an early age and for them is seems like spoiled rich kid issues.
Luke worked at farm.

Anakin was discovered early and apprenticed prolly the same with Ben Solo. For me it just seems like they had the world for the grasping but are whiny spoiled brats that are hard to like or really dislike. The word I think I want to us is disdain for both characters

Anakin was a slave. He didn't have anything special. It was just that Hayden Christiansen was a very poor actor and Lucas a bad director of human beings. I take your point he was hard to like. Lucas wrote himself into a corner trying to reverse engineer Vader. The character was never more than a faceless heavy in Star Wars but ended up being bigger than expected and Lucas decided to make him special. With all the trouble that entailed. Ren, on the other hand, was always a villain and is merely a spoiled rich kid with rich kid issues. That's why he's so villainous because he really is a craven insecure failure that is propped up by his name and inherent abilities from genealogy. He is the essence of privilege. He could be great, but he chooses to be a churl. He never fell. He leaped. That's what is great about the character.

As for Hamill's Luke not coming across as whiny in Star Wars, watch it without nostalgia, he whines about everything from Tattooine, to missing time with his friends, to the Mellenium Falcon, to the space port, to the Force, to lifting an X-wing, etc. He whines throughout Star Wars and half of Return of the Jedi. And acted it poorly as well.

In truth, watching the original trilogy repeatedly with my son I realize that the characters were very thin. I can see why Ford wanted Han to die to give meaning to his character. Everybody was pretty one note and I have no idea why Leia spoke half the film in a British accent and then American the rest of the way. Like, why didn't anybody ask what was up with that?

to each their own , I do not see Luke as whiny in the first movie compared to the latest incarnation which where poorly acted. the second trilogy the young Ani was fine as he got older and was in training he still whined. Horrible acting, sure but just an unlikable character who wanted his way. same with Ben Solo here. Another character who should have been on top of the world but because he did not get his way he whined?

The first trilogy nostalgia aside is the most original the other after are more of a repeat of the same story. The is very little diversification of the very basic plot line down to the type of planet the hero is on to start. Just once why isn't some hero found o the beach drinking. Living a normal life.

[shtolky]

It just lost to Jumanji, and the China opening was a dud. RIP Star Wars.

Jumanji box office total world wide: 519 million

Last jedi box office total world wide: 1.2 billion

About China, The Force Awakens was a dud there too:

The film opened in China on January 9 (22 days after it opened in the States) to the top spot in China, with a respectable $53 million. The next weekend? It dropped 72 percent, making only a little over $14 million, finishing behind a movie called Boonie Bears 3, a relatively low-budget Chinese animated feature. The drop caused Chinese exhibitors to reduce screenings of The Force Awakens in favor of other choices.


But yes, RIP Star Wars. Didn't like the movie, absolutely 100% your right to say so. I get it. But to spew nonsense, just stop. I'm sure I'll get responses about how Star Wars could make money by releasing anything, but then...how could it be RIP? Ah F it.

P.S. The Empire Strikes back made the least amount of money for the OT releases. But RIP right!?

[Sark]

It just lost to Jumanji, and the China opening was a dud. RIP Star Wars.

Jumanji box office total world wide: 519 million

Last jedi box office total world wide: 1.2 billion

About China, The Force Awakens was a dud there too:

The film opened in China on January 9 (22 days after it opened in the States) to the top spot in China, with a respectable $53 million. The next weekend? It dropped 72 percent, making only a little over $14 million, finishing behind a movie called Boonie Bears 3, a relatively low-budget Chinese animated feature. The drop caused Chinese exhibitors to reduce screenings of The Force Awakens in favor of other choices.


But yes, RIP Star Wars. Didn't like the movie, absolutely 100% your right to say so. I get it. But to spew nonsense, just stop. I'm sure I'll get responses about how Star Wars could make money by releasing anything, but then...how could it be RIP? Ah F it.

P.S. The Empire Strikes back made the least amount of money for the OT releases. But RIP right!?

Classic deflection.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Jumaji is nothing but a remake. The expectation is no where near what a Star Wars movie is. Star Wars movies are going to make $1b on name alone. The point is a stupid Rock-Kevin Hart movie shouldn't be making more than a Star Wars movie after only 3 weeks.

The dropoff for Star Wars from week 1 was I believe 69%. Anything above 50% is considered bad. 60% is terrible. 69% means you have a bomb on your hands. They're already talking about Last Jedi for Blu Ray, in order to recover the the losses they are incurring (and will incur in the future).