The Acy Hate needs to stop!

[Prokorov]

Im dumbfounded by all of the hate for Quincy Acy.... these past 3 or 4 games have been particularly awful yet alll he has done is contribute positively and help us nearly knock off the celtics and raptors.

He hit an enormous 3 vs. boston to cut it to 1 possesion late. and draw a late charge to get us a possession.

Tonite he was FANTASTIC late:

-He hit two threes in the final 2 minutes (to cut the lead to 7 then 4). he also took a charge and had 2 steals in the 4th to go along with 7 rebounds.

yet he gets DESTROYED because he got called for a junpball after getting a rebound (a huge rebound late in the game). people killed him for it yet he was CLEARLY hacked from behind by ibaka.

After a horrible start from three he is now shooting 35% from deep including 36% for Dec/January and is trending upwards towards the 38-40% he shot last year.

He is SIXTH in the ENTIRE NBA in charges drawn despite only 18 minutes played:
https://stats.nba.com/players/hustle/?sort=CHARGES_DRAWN&dir=1

He is averaging 6 points, 4 rebounds, with nuetral defensive metrics (better defensive stats then zeller or mozgov) in 18 minutes shooting 35% from deep.

he makes the league minimum

so WTF is with all the hate? he produces well beyond his salary, he is doing well at his role (floor spacing big) and he provides a ton of hustle (loose balls, draws charges)...

its beyond idiotic that he gets hated on how he does.

[CalamityX12]

Are we or are we not about development?

I thought we don't care about winning?

He bashed when he makes dumb mistakes. He gets praised and a parade thrown when he does well. It's no different.

Maybe some(like me) don't like when he takes away shots from actual shooters. To praise he makes a few(big or not) doesn't take away that he affects other possessions when he's doing dumb things.

[Claud]

He can't be part of our close-out lineups anymore. Sure he knocks down some 3s but at what cost? He continues to commit mental mistakes and unforced turnovers in crunch time. We need an upgrade at the 4 badly.

[CalamityX12]

So the two threes Acy tok (to cut it to 7 then 4) late in the 4th along with the three rebounds 2 steals and a charge he took in the 4th.... none of that helped?

this was a GREAT game. one of our best for the year. team effort up and down the lineup and guys fought for 48 minutes. Acy is big for these young guys, he spaces the floor to give them room to work with. just look at the dinwiddie dunk in the 4th where acy is double teamed at the 3 point line.

I don't mind the offense he can do but when he gives up so many, I want Kenny to make that switch on defense.

Why is that uncalled for? I said it in the GT, down the stretch keep Acy on O but put in Allen on defense. Acy was doing sh*t guarding the paint and altering shots.

Allen is actually getting good with that. So my comments were more on Kenny in that respect.

I still don't know why Acy was flexing/squatting rather than quickly giving the ball out. He gave himself up for Toronto to tie him or cause TO.

[MrDollarBills]

co signed. some folks on here use Acy as a whipping boy.

in reality, he's an end of the bench guy and as our team gets better he will be just that. but if it isn't Acy, it will be someone else.

I see Acy, and I see a guy just doing the best that he can. more than likely, his replacement in the rotation will be drafted.

the one thing i hate about this board is that we have a roster full of guys who play hard yet certain guys get dragged because they aren't perfect. it ranges from Russell, to Crabbe, to RHJ, to Acy. I guarantee Okafor will be next.

[Claud]

I have no issues with Acy. I think he's a decent backup. I mostly blame Kenny for not trusting the Fro to close-out games as our center. I understand he's not a 3pt shooter but he gives you other things that Acy simply doesn't

[FlipFlopShot]

Idk, for how tempered Dinwiddie is, I like how emotionally explosive Acy is. Not about winning, but holding our ground.
We're not pushovers anymore. The league needs to know they can't be sleeping on us.
I do f****** hate when he goes into reserved mode though.

[Prokorov]

Are we or are we not about development?

I thought we don't care about winning?

He bashed when he makes dumb mistakes. He gets praised and a parade thrown when he does well. It's no different.

he doesnt get praised.... case in point, he hit 2 enormous threes and took a huge charge yet nothing. then he gets bashed to no end. in last week someone said they hate that acy was shooting well cause it means he wont get benched now.

and he gets disproportionately bashed for his poor plays.

Maybe some(like me) don't like when he takes away shots from actual shooters. To praise he makes a few(big or not) doesn't take away that he affects other possessions when he's doing dumb things.

he is shooting 35% from three. what "shooters" is he taking shots away from?

Harris - 37%
Dinwiddie - 36%
Crabbe - 35%
Levert - 35%
Carroll- 33%
RHJ - 29%
Doyle - 20%

Acy also shot 40% last year from deep, so its not like this year is some small sample anomaly.

This is a great example of irrational hate. you dont care that he hits clutch threes, and dont want him to "take threes away from other shooters" yet he shoots the same from three as the rest of our "shooters" do.

he is in there a a floor spacing big. why would you want him not to shoot threes?

[CalamityX12]

Kenny leaves him in a defensive situation where he hasn't been on point yet we have a rookie def. big sitting on the bench.

Why I cry about it? Well who are we developing, Acy or in my case, Allen? Is Acy's development(if more is possible) a higher priority than Allen?

[Prokorov]

He can't be part of our close-out lineups anymore. Sure he knocks down some 3s but at what cost? He continues to commit mental mistakes and unforced turnovers in crunch time. We need an upgrade at the 4 badly.

He hits clutch shots, takes charges in key spots. turnovers? i mean again... he got hacked on that rebound with a no call. and he turns it over less then any big on our team.

so again... why is he getting hated on so much more then other guys?

[MrDollarBills]

I have no issues with Acy. I think he's a decent backup. I mostly blame Kenny for not trusting the Fro to close-out games as our center. I understand he's not a 3pt shooter but he gives you other things that Acy simply doesn't

I agree with this. but, I think that Kenny unleash Allen post all star break.

he knows that the kid is our starting center, he's just making him earn it. it's psychological.

[MrDollarBills]

Kenny leaves him in a defensive situation where he hasn't been on point yet we have a rookie def. big sitting on the bench.

Why I cry about it? Well who are we developing, Acy or in my case, Allen? Is Acy's development(if more is possible) a higher priority than Allen?

It's January 8th. Post all star break i wouldn't be shocked to see Allen out there.

but Kenny also found success with the small ball line up tonight where RHJ was the 5. we may very well draft a player to fit into that slot that Acy is playing

what i am saying is honestly....Quincy Acy is a bench player. the hate and expectation is a bit much.

[CalamityX12]

he is shooting 35% from three. what "shooters" is he taking shots away from?

Harris - 37%
Dinwiddie - 36%
Crabbe - 35%
Levert - 35%
Carroll- 33%
RHJ - 29%
Doyle - 20%

Acy also shot 40% last year from deep, so its not like this year is some small sample anomaly.

This is a great example of irrational hate. you dont care that he hits clutch threes, and dont want him to "take threes away from other shooters" yet he shoots the same from three as the rest of our "shooters" do.

he is in there a a floor spacing big. why would you want him not to shoot threes?

It's not irrational when you stick to what I'm pointing to. I'm talking about possessions/attempts. I rather have Crabbe, Harris take more 3PA than Acy. Acy can/must have his attempts of course but he takes them many times that were either not part of the play or unwarranted.

If guys can shoot whenver they want, I have 5 guys, 6 maybe than I want chucking over n over more so than Acy.

[Prokorov]

So the two threes Acy tok (to cut it to 7 then 4) late in the 4th along with the three rebounds 2 steals and a charge he took in the 4th.... none of that helped?

this was a GREAT game. one of our best for the year. team effort up and down the lineup and guys fought for 48 minutes. Acy is big for these young guys, he spaces the floor to give them room to work with. just look at the dinwiddie dunk in the 4th where acy is double teamed at the 3 point line.

I don't mind the offense he can do but when he gives up so many, I want Kenny to make that switch on defense.

Why is that uncalled for? I said it in the GT, down the stretch keep Acy on O but put in Allen on defense. Acy was doing sh*t guarding the paint and altering shots.

Allen is actually getting good with that. So my comments were more on Kenny in that respect.

1) you only have so many timeouts, and in close games you need every one. you can waste timeouts to go offense for defense

2) By the numbers, Acy is our best defensive big (yes better then allen). mostly because of how many charges he takes and how he fouls less then any of our other bigs. im not saying he is better then allen, im saying by the numbers he is the best.

3) he makes key defensive plays late (took a huge charge when it was tied late tonight). and the space he creates on offense far outweights the defense.

I still don't know why Acy was flexing/squatting rather than quickly giving the ball out. He gave himself up for Toronto to tie him or cause TO.

He wasnt "flexing" he was chinning the ball elbows out. thats what your taught to do in traffic on all levels. he didnt "get it out quick" because he was in a ton of traffic.

in that spot you secure it and then pass it. thats what he did, only he get hacked horribly with no call. thats on the refs not acy

[Prokorov]

co signed. some folks on here use Acy as a whipping boy.

in reality, he's an end of the bench guy and as our team gets better he will be just that. but if it isn't Acy, it will be someone else.

I see Acy, and I see a guy just doing the best that he can. more than likely, his replacement in the rotation will be drafted.

the one thing i hate about this board is that we have a roster full of guys who play hard yet certain guys get dragged because they aren't perfect. it ranges from Russell, to Crabbe, to RHJ, to Acy. I guarantee Okafor will be next.

i wouldnt even mind if acy was awful and just playing more due to roster limitations.

not the case. he has been an overall plus on the floor and doing his job as a floor spacing 3 & D type big.

he hits threes at a solid clip (40% last year, 35% this year) and is 6th in the NBA in charges drawn. 6 and 4 in 18 minutes. like what more do people want?

[Prokorov]

he is shooting 35% from three. what "shooters" is he taking shots away from?

Harris - 37%
Dinwiddie - 36%
Crabbe - 35%
Levert - 35%
Carroll- 33%
RHJ - 29%
Doyle - 20%

Acy also shot 40% last year from deep, so its not like this year is some small sample anomaly.

This is a great example of irrational hate. you dont care that he hits clutch threes, and dont want him to "take threes away from other shooters" yet he shoots the same from three as the rest of our "shooters" do.

he is in there a a floor spacing big. why would you want him not to shoot threes?

It's not irrational when you stick to what I'm pointing to. I'm talking about possessions/attempts. I rather have Crabbe, Harris take more 3PA than Acy. Acy can/must have his attempts of course but he takes them many times that were either not part of the play or unwarranted.

Crabbe takes 6.6 threes a game
Harris takes 5 threes a game
Acy takes 4 threes a game

so those goes BOTH take more three point attempts then Acy. so again, what exactly is the problem? He is out there to space the floor, he hits them at a solid rate (same as any of our shooters) and he hits them in the clutch... and he isnt taking more attempts then those guys you mentioned.

[CalamityX12]

he is shooting 35% from three. what "shooters" is he taking shots away from?

Harris - 37%
Dinwiddie - 36%
Crabbe - 35%
Levert - 35%
Carroll- 33%
RHJ - 29%
Doyle - 20%

Acy also shot 40% last year from deep, so its not like this year is some small sample anomaly.

This is a great example of irrational hate. you dont care that he hits clutch threes, and dont want him to "take threes away from other shooters" yet he shoots the same from three as the rest of our "shooters" do.

he is in there a a floor spacing big. why would you want him not to shoot threes?

It's not irrational when you stick to what I'm pointing to. I'm talking about possessions/attempts. I rather have Crabbe, Harris take more 3PA than Acy. Acy can/must have his attempts of course but he takes them many times that were either not part of the play or unwarranted.

Crabbe takes 6.6 threes a game
Harris takes 5 threes a game
Acy takes 4 threes a game

so those goes BOTH take more three point attempts then Acy. so again, what exactly is the problem? He is out there to space the floor, he hits them at a solid rate (same as any of our shooters) and he hits them in the clutch... and he isnt taking more attempts then those guys you mentioned.

oh I find that odd indeed... definitely feels he shoots more but argue against the #s

[MrDollarBills]

I love how securing a rebound is "flexing" yet the over the back foul that wasn't called is ignored.

some of yall on here must think that the Nets deserve this crap from the officials.

[313 Professor]

I agree. He held on to the ball a tad long on that near game deciding TO but if he got fouled I recant my criticism (haven't seen a replay). Other than that I've been thinking the same thing. Good court presence and he's hit some big shots.

[Prokorov]

It's not irrational when you stick to what I'm pointing to. I'm talking about possessions/attempts. I rather have Crabbe, Harris take more 3PA than Acy. Acy can/must have his attempts of course but he takes them many times that were either not part of the play or unwarranted.

Crabbe takes 6.6 threes a game
Harris takes 5 threes a game
Acy takes 4 threes a game

so those goes BOTH take more three point attempts then Acy. so again, what exactly is the problem? He is out there to space the floor, he hits them at a solid rate (same as any of our shooters) and he hits them in the clutch... and he isnt taking more attempts then those guys you mentioned.

oh I find that odd indeed... definitely feels he shoots more but argue against the #s

right which is why i feel like its irrationally hating (and not directed at you... but in general).

-guy is out there to space the floor as a big
-he hits his threes (35% and trending up after a slow start)
-he hits threes in the clutch
-he hustles and makes hustle plays (6th in charges, 0.4 loose balls per game)
-great teammate, plays hard
-doesnt make much money

there is really 0 reason to hate him... especially in games like tonite and boston where we would have had 0 chance without his clutch shots.