Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back)

[Coxy]

Anyhow, was a fun exercise. From all proposals I heard back from you guys -

I didn't hate this as a working base:

If Fultz did show out to be healthy before the end of this year, I'd consider something like Klay for Fultz + Holmes + Bayless (salary purposes) + picks, as follows:
- If Lakers' 2018 pick is conveyed to Philadelphia and is between 6-10, Warriors get the pick
- If Lakers' 2018 pick is not conveyed to Philadelphia in the 6-10 range, Warriors get Philadelphia's 2018 #1 (probably in the 12-16 range), plus the opportunity to do a pick swap in 2019 with Sacramento's 2019 pick. (This will get us a mid-round pick in 2018, as well as allowing the Warriors to probably move up to a top-10 pick in 2019.)

Would take that if we got Bell back as well. Or if you just get rid of the swap or Holmes.

That deal sucks major ass. Fultz, has shown absolutely fcuk all as a pro right now, so even if he were healthy, he could still end up as either a starter or major bust in the very near future. Nothing about that kid says "star" player, so you value him accordingly right now, which is young potential, and not exactly a win now player that we would want. There is actually serious potential for young Fultz to be a below average high draft pick, as he isn't a beast athlete and his shot mechanics are flawed. Add in that he plays the same position as Steph, and he doesn't really look like a floor spacing guard with that fugly jumper, and he is coming over as a backup, that MIGHT play some minutes for us down the line. Holmes/Bayless/picks, mean nothing to us if we are losing Klay and this is marketed as the rest of the return we get for Klay Thompson. The fans would literally riot at this seriously putrid return for our all-time, multiple all star NBA champion SG that will go down in history as one of the best shooters that ever graced the court. We sucked major balls for 30 years, so players like Klay haven't exactly fallen into our laps often, and his jersey will be raised into our rafters one day, so if we are losing Klay, the Warriors will be demanding WAY more in return than this package.

Chuckdurn needs to chuck an almighty uppercut into his own nose for even suggesting such a ridiculous trade. Chuckdurn's proposal made me upchuck in my mouth. You like this deal, because you're making out like a bandit for Philly, but in reality, we demand a massive amount more for Klay and would look to another team to deal with.

[Juannydawkins]

Anyhow, was a fun exercise. From all proposals I heard back from you guys -

I didn't hate this as a working base:

If Fultz did show out to be healthy before the end of this year, I'd consider something like Klay for Fultz + Holmes + Bayless (salary purposes) + picks, as follows:
- If Lakers' 2018 pick is conveyed to Philadelphia and is between 6-10, Warriors get the pick
- If Lakers' 2018 pick is not conveyed to Philadelphia in the 6-10 range, Warriors get Philadelphia's 2018 #1 (probably in the 12-16 range), plus the opportunity to do a pick swap in 2019 with Sacramento's 2019 pick. (This will get us a mid-round pick in 2018, as well as allowing the Warriors to probably move up to a top-10 pick in 2019.)

Would take that if we got Bell back as well. Or if you just get rid of the swap or Holmes.

That deal sucks major ass. Fultz, has shown absolutely fcuk all as a pro right now, so even if he were healthy, he could still end up as either a starter or major bust in the very near future. Nothing about that kid says "star" player, so you value him accordingly right now, which is young potential, and not exactly a win now player that we would want. There is actually serious potential for young Fultz to be a below average high draft pick, as he isn't a beast athlete

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and his shot mechanics are flawed. Add in that he plays the same position as Steph, and he doesn't really look like a floor spacing guard with that fugly jumper, and he is coming over as a backup, that MIGHT play some minutes for us down the line. Holmes/Bayless/picks, mean nothing to us if we are losing Klay and this is marketed as the rest of the return we get for Klay Thompson. The fans would literally riot at this seriously putrid return for our all-time, multiple all star NBA champion SG that will go down in history as one of the best shooters that ever graced the court. We sucked major balls for 30 years, so players like Klay haven't exactly fallen into our laps often, and his jersey will be raised into our rafters one day, so if we are losing Klay, the Warriors will be demanding WAY more in return than this package.

Chuckdurn needs to chuck an almighty uppercut into his own nose for even suggesting such a ridiculous trade. Chuckdurn's proposal made me upchuck in my mouth. You like this deal, because you're making out like a bandit for Philly, but in reality, we demand a massive amount more for Klay and would look to another team to deal with.

Guess you're still not reading the original stipulation (later clarified to you ) that Fultz has already warranted his draft position in this hypothetical scenario. (and not even hypothetically - but in reality - his injury is behind him, his shot looks even smoother than college from limited clips, so... )

Guess we'll see what happens - either way, would be crazy to see y'all with a half a billion dollar yearly salary.

If he does end up traded, and it's for a better package, then good luck to the rest of the league, but regardless - cool talk.

[wco81]

I think 76ers ceiling looks lower than the Celtics ceiling.

And looks like they could get a top 5 pick because of the Lakers.

Also, 76ers have to regret that trade. They'd have been better drafting Tatum, even if they had to use the #1 pick.

[Juannydawkins]

I think 76ers ceiling looks lower than the Celtics ceiling.

And looks like they could get a top 5 pick because of the Lakers.

Also, 76ers have to regret that trade. They'd have been better drafting Tatum, even if they had to use the #1 pick.

Laker's shouldn't end up a top 6 pick unless they are just absolute trash. They have no incentive to tank while almost every other team at the bottom does.

Regarding last draft - Tatum looks nice, but isn't as good of a fit for the Sixers. He's not a potential first option on offense.

I guess we could have slid Covington to the 4....play Tatum at the 3...and then wait till next year for drafting a 2... (which is what Fultz will be with us, btw)...

But, Fultz is/was the better fit. Excited to have him back, perhaps thursday?

[wco81]

Or if Tatum played the 2. He's shot the 3 way better than most people expected but he's just sitting in the corner waiting for the kickoff so he gets good looks at the highest percentage 3.

Fultz better show something because if he doesn't, even Smith would have been a better pick. Of course a lot of teams passed over Mitchell, who would have also been a good fit. 76ers are paying Reddick a lot of money this season but it's just for one season.

[Juannydawkins]

the whole league passed on Robert Covington - twice. you just got to be happy for GMs that pick right / get lucky.

the shoulda coulda woulda's kill ya. (i'm still half pissed that Larry Brown followed his promise and drafted Larry Hughes over Paul Pierce)

That said, I'm still stoked to see a non-injured Fultz play with our first team for pretty much the first time this year.

Perhaps for the first time in fact. His shoulder was already taped for the 2nd preseason game against the C's and Brett Brown was saying **** like "The 19-year-old has also been dealing with a shoulder issue that 76ers head coach Brett Brown told Keith Pompey of the Philadelphia Inquirer "is affecting him more than he lets on." (this is october 9, preseason - before any of this actually "came out" it was already there plain to see - just seems like everyone ignored it - us included.)

The whole fake injury story is BS. If there is any sort of conspiracy - the kid injured himself falling off a motorcycle or something stupid like that, but just hasn't told the team.

I'm not worried about him - we went out and got the best prospect in this draft, and soon we'll see him play healthy.

[Coxy]

the whole league passed on Robert Covington - twice. you just got to be happy for GMs that pick right / get lucky.

the shoulda coulda woulda's kill ya. (i'm still half pissed that Larry Brown followed his promise and drafted Larry Hughes over Paul Pierce)

That said, I'm still stoked to see a non-injured Fultz play with our first team for pretty much the first time this year.

Perhaps for the first time in fact. His shoulder was already taped for the 2nd preseason game against the C's and Brett Brown was saying **** like "The 19-year-old has also been dealing with a shoulder issue that 76ers head coach Brett Brown told Keith Pompey of the Philadelphia Inquirer "is affecting him more than he lets on." (this is october 9, preseason - before any of this actually "came out" it was already there plain to see - just seems like everyone ignored it - us included.)

The whole fake injury story is BS. If there is any sort of conspiracy - the kid injured himself falling off a motorcycle or something stupid like that, but just hasn't told the team.

I'm not worried about him - we went out and got the best prospect in this draft, and soon we'll see him play healthy.

What is the situation in Philly at the 4/5 spot? You guys moved Okaflub for Booker, and now have Embiid, Saric, Amir, Holmes and Booker. I’m imagining the Embiid/Saric combo is the starters for the future, so is there an odd man out in there? Are the Sixers keeping them all? Would really like either Holmes or Booker on Golden State, especially Holmes.

[Juannydawkins]

the whole league passed on Robert Covington - twice. you just got to be happy for GMs that pick right / get lucky.

the shoulda coulda woulda's kill ya. (i'm still half pissed that Larry Brown followed his promise and drafted Larry Hughes over Paul Pierce)

That said, I'm still stoked to see a non-injured Fultz play with our first team for pretty much the first time this year.

Perhaps for the first time in fact. His shoulder was already taped for the 2nd preseason game against the C's and Brett Brown was saying **** like "The 19-year-old has also been dealing with a shoulder issue that 76ers head coach Brett Brown told Keith Pompey of the Philadelphia Inquirer "is affecting him more than he lets on." (this is october 9, preseason - before any of this actually "came out" it was already there plain to see - just seems like everyone ignored it - us included.)

The whole fake injury story is BS. If there is any sort of conspiracy - the kid injured himself falling off a motorcycle or something stupid like that, but just hasn't told the team.

I'm not worried about him - we went out and got the best prospect in this draft, and soon we'll see him play healthy.

What is the situation in Philly at the 4/5 spot? You guys moved Okaflub for Booker, and now have Embiid, Saric, Amir, Holmes and Booker. I’m imagining the Embiid/Saric combo is the starters for the future, so is there an odd man out in there? Are the Sixers keeping them all? Would really like either Holmes or Booker on Golden State, especially Holmes.

Saric can stretch the floor fairly well, so he does well in that aspect. Can pass and is gritty for the end of a game. Not a great defender tho, but if he's the one guy you're kind of hiding out there, depending on how everyone else develops - I feel like we could win with him. He has a chance to be our 4, but I'd be just as happy with him coming off the bench.

We've been trying Holmes out as a 4 on the court w/ Embiid for the last 2 games. (W's) So there's that.

We have Jonah Bolden whom many of us are hoping is the actual answer, stashed in Israel currently.


As for backup 5 - we drafted a euro stash, i guess knowing okafor wasn't an answer either. Still working on that long term. Probably sign a vet or something once we're really contending.

I bet we'd take Holmes/Bell.

[Coxy]

I bet we'd take Holmes/Bell.

I'd almost take that deal. Bell's upside isn't massively high, especially on offence. Holmes looks like a guy that has an offensive game to him and could add more quite easily. He's probably a better rebounder than Bell as well. Bell of course, is a great athlete and has some high defensive upside.

I think our FO is quite high on Bell though, and may even see him as a long term Draybeast replacement.

[ChuckDurn]

Chuckdurn needs to chuck an almighty uppercut into his own nose for even suggesting such a ridiculous trade. Chuckdurn's proposal made me upchuck in my mouth. You like this deal, because you're making out like a bandit for Philly, but in reality, we demand a massive amount more for Klay and would look to another team to deal with.

Hey Coxy...... the stipulation was that Fultz has shown that he's not only healthy, but good..... and in my deal, we'd also pick up Holmes (a guy you later said you'd really like on the Warriors) and either a top-10 pick this year or 2 picks, one of which is probably a top-10 next year..

So..... if you're throwing up in your mouth, I hope you enjoy the taste. Because that's not a bad deal at all.

[Coxy]

Chuckdurn needs to chuck an almighty uppercut into his own nose for even suggesting such a ridiculous trade. Chuckdurn's proposal made me upchuck in my mouth. You like this deal, because you're making out like a bandit for Philly, but in reality, we demand a massive amount more for Klay and would look to another team to deal with.

Hey Coxy...... the stipulation was that Fultz has shown that he's not only healthy, but good..... and in my deal, we'd also pick up Holmes (a guy you later said you'd really like on the Warriors) and either a top-10 pick this year or 2 picks, one of which is probably a top-10 next year..

So..... if you're throwing up in your mouth, I hope you enjoy the taste. Because that's not a bad deal at all.

Oh you’re deal sucks Chuckster, it sucks major balls.

[Mylie10]

Chuckdurn needs to chuck an almighty uppercut into his own nose for even suggesting such a ridiculous trade. Chuckdurn's proposal made me upchuck in my mouth. You like this deal, because you're making out like a bandit for Philly, but in reality, we demand a massive amount more for Klay and would look to another team to deal with.

Hey Coxy...... the stipulation was that Fultz has shown that he's not only healthy, but good..... and in my deal, we'd also pick up Holmes (a guy you later said you'd really like on the Warriors) and either a top-10 pick this year or 2 picks, one of which is probably a top-10 next year..

So..... if you're throwing up in your mouth, I hope you enjoy the taste. Because that's not a bad deal at all.

Congrats Chuck....you just blew up one of the All Time great teams for garbage. Nice. Even Joe Lacob won't return your calls.

[Dubbsy]

Tyreke Evans is having one hell of a year for the Grizzlies.

Any Chance Warriors can get him for Javale Mcgee, Damian Jones, and our first round pick?

[Coxy]

Tyreke Evans is having one hell of a year for the Grizzlies.

Any Chance Warriors can get him for Javale Mcgee, Damian Jones, and our first round pick?

No way. He's basically become their qazi-franchise player with their injuries and age. Fits that team perfectly.

[azwfan]

Nick Young (1 yr $5.192m) to Chicago
for
Justin Holiday (2 yr 4.5m/4.5m)

Save a little money this year, and more importantly get a slightly better player. Holiday's 4.5m next year isn't terrible salary as we'll need a backup SG next year anyways.

Bulls free up more salary cap space next year.

[azwfan]

A similar trade to above that saves more money would be
Nick Young (1 yr $5.192m) to Phoenix
for
Troy Daniels (2 yr 3.4m / 3.2m)

Not sure how well Daniels defends though... but should be better than Young.

[ChuckDurn]

Chuckdurn needs to chuck an almighty uppercut into his own nose for even suggesting such a ridiculous trade. Chuckdurn's proposal made me upchuck in my mouth. You like this deal, because you're making out like a bandit for Philly, but in reality, we demand a massive amount more for Klay and would look to another team to deal with.

Hey Coxy...... the stipulation was that Fultz has shown that he's not only healthy, but good..... and in my deal, we'd also pick up Holmes (a guy you later said you'd really like on the Warriors) and either a top-10 pick this year or 2 picks, one of which is probably a top-10 next year..

So..... if you're throwing up in your mouth, I hope you enjoy the taste. Because that's not a bad deal at all.

Congrats Chuck....you just blew up one of the All Time great teams for garbage. Nice. Even Joe Lacob won't return your calls.

Hey Mylie, why don't you go back to my actual post, in which I said:

'Agreed, it's really unlikely the Warriors would do a "future-based" trade that breaks up the core. To the OP's credit, this is based on a scenario that it happens in the off-season after a Warriors' loss in the playoffs, so maybe the Warriors would be more amenable to move a piece.

I wouldn't want to get rid of Klay, but if the front office decided to do so, this is probably a pretty fair way to do so if the desire was to try to get a lot of young assets to extend the run for as long as possible.'

So I'm NOT advocating to blow up the team. I was responding to a hypothetical scenario.

[ChuckDurn]

Chuckdurn needs to chuck an almighty uppercut into his own nose for even suggesting such a ridiculous trade. Chuckdurn's proposal made me upchuck in my mouth. You like this deal, because you're making out like a bandit for Philly, but in reality, we demand a massive amount more for Klay and would look to another team to deal with.

Hey Coxy...... the stipulation was that Fultz has shown that he's not only healthy, but good..... and in my deal, we'd also pick up Holmes (a guy you later said you'd really like on the Warriors) and either a top-10 pick this year or 2 picks, one of which is probably a top-10 next year..

So..... if you're throwing up in your mouth, I hope you enjoy the taste. Because that's not a bad deal at all.

Oh you’re deal sucks Chuckster, it sucks major balls.

Thanks, Coxy. Your constructive suggestions are helpful.

[Mylie10]

Fultz is beyond repair and he hasn't even played yet. His shot is so broken that his coach said, "I'm old....and I've never seen anything like this."

That was in regards to the broken shot. It was asked in regards to his injury, but the shot is what has them alarmed.

[ChuckDurn]

Fultz is beyond repair and he hasn't even played yet. His shot is so broken that his coach said, "I'm old....and I've never seen anything like this."

That was in regards to the broken shot. It was asked in regards to his injury, but the shot is what has them alarmed.

From the original proposal:

"Fultz (if he's playing well)"

Yep, with the benefit of a couple more weeks and updated videos of his shot, it's definitely still broken. So clearly this condition of the deal is definitely not going to happen.

But I was responding to "if he's playing well" as the proposal at the time, not just "if he's healthy", as you're suggesting was the condition, and it wasn't as obvious then that there was zero possibility of him playing well this year.

I guess I've learned my lesson - if another fan from another team comes here and suggests an unlikely hypothetical situation, which has conditions, I'll just refuse to indulge it..... regardless of what caveats and conditions are in it.