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Post#161 » by coolhandluke121 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:43 pm

Ruzious wrote:If the Bucks are going to entertain the idea of keeping Jordan, they might as well include Jabari in the package, because they won't be able to afford keeping both.


Jabari for Jordan is borderline even for me. He would have to opt in for me to really like the deal.

You're right though. I haven't seen very many people who want to keep Jabari actually propose realistic solutions for how they're going to pay him. Even if you like him and don't care about the injuries, that's a big problem by itself. The Bucks don't have assets to move bad contracts for expirings, and all their expiring contracts are so small that they'll be eaten up by cap holds for empty roster spots.
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Post#162 » by DingleJerry » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:54 pm

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Ruzious wrote:If the Bucks are going to entertain the idea of keeping Jordan, they might as well include Jabari in the package, because they won't be able to afford keeping both.


Jabari for Jordan is borderline even for me. He would have to opt in for me to really like the deal.

You're right though. I haven't seen very many people who want to keep Jabari actually propose realistic solutions for how they're going to pay him. Even if you like him and don't care about the injuries, that's a big problem by itself. The Bucks don't have assets to move bad contracts for expirings, and all their expiring contracts are so small that they'll be eaten up by cap holds for empty roster spots.


And to make it work you'd have to include a couple bad deals to line up the money. So Mirza and one of Delly/Henson. I of course prefer Delly to go so Henson could be the backup. Bucks would actually come financially ahead because you're clearing those deals. Yea it's a deal breaker though if Jordan doesn't agree to a deal at the time of trade though. To clear roster spots they might have to toss some filler guys back too, like a Dekker. I'd say this is the best deal you could hope for on Jabari. Who knows if LAC wants to take on our bad deals plus commit to Jabari though. I'd guess not but it would be interesting to hear what both sides have been asking for. If you're a Bucks fan and you won't go for this you're not going to do better so you're committed to dropping a huge chunk on Jabari and rolling the dice.

Also, Clips have been doing well lately so Jordan might be off the table right now anyway.
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Post#163 » by Fotis St » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:21 pm

Reggie Jackson, Marjanovic for Delly, Telly, Vaughn
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Post#164 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:28 pm

If we could find a way to buy low on Justise Winslow, that would be the bees knees.
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Post#165 » by DingleJerry » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:38 pm

Saw the Heat article about shedding contracts and I thought of Olynyk. On first year of a 4/50. I've never really had much of an opinion on the guy but thought of him due to our need for a backup big and he can shoot 3s so fits ok with Giannis and he obviously contributed to winning teams the last few years in Bos.

Sure the contract is a touch more than is ideal for a guy like him and 4 years is a long-ish commit but he's only 26. I'm not sure I'd do this as I want cap flex down the line, but what if they took Mirza straight up for him? I don't think they do it as he's a good player, but if they're desperate to shed money who knows. Essentially we'd be taking on two more years for like 24 mil beyond what we already owe Mirza. You're getting a good solid player the next two years over what you'd get from Mirza, but then have the extra two years of commitment clogging up the cap.
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Post#166 » by Nowak008 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:38 pm

Tony Snell and Mid for Wiggins
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Post#167 » by Chuck Diesel » Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:40 pm

Chuck Diesel wrote:Our best option for the open two way might be an import. This is the time of year when Americans & their overseas teams start to fed up with one another. A guaranteed twenty something NBA days, playoff per deims & another year of service to boost your veteran's minimum make the 2-way a pretty nice landing spot for a player returning to the States. Couldn't hurt to stack the Herd with a ringer for it's playoff push.


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Post#168 » by Nowak008 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:44 pm

Nowak008 wrote:Tony Snell and Mid for Wiggins


Forgot about Wiggin's extension. I don't think this deal works...but I like the idea of this deal.
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Post#169 » by Nowak008 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:56 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:If we could find a way to buy low on Justise Winslow, that would be the bees knees.


Yea I would love that too. Problem is our cap situation is **** and they want to dump money.
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Post#170 » by HurricaneKid » Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:59 pm

I just want to clear up a point:

WE CANNOT TRADE TELLY.

Here is why:



61. What are the rules for retired players? What if the player suffers a career-ending injury?

There's nothing binding about a player announcing his retirement. The player can still sign a new contract and continue playing (if he's not under contract), or return to his team (if he is still under contract) and resume his career.

The only exception to this is when a player is still under contract, wants to quit, and his team doesn't want to let him out of his contract. Under these circumstances the player can file for retirement with the league. The player is placed on the league's Voluntarily Retired list (see question number 79), forgoes his remaining salary, and cannot return to the league for one year. The latter requirement prevents players from using retirement as an underhanded way to change teams, and can be overridden with unanimous approval from all 30 teams. For example, guard Jason Williams signed with the LA Clippers in August 2008, then changed his mind the following month, announcing his retirement. He applied for reinstatement in early 2009, but his request was denied by a vote of 24-6. Williams later signed with the Orlando Magic once the one-year anniversary of his retirement announcement had passed.

Any money paid to a player is included in team salary, even if the player is no longer playing or has retired.

There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is excluded from team salary. This is when a player suffers a career-ending injury or illness. The team must waive the player, and can apply for this salary exclusion following a waiting period. Only the player's team at the time the injury or illness was discovered (or reasonably should have been discovered) can apply for this salary exclusion.

The team can apply to have the player's salary excluded starting on the first anniversary of the player's last regular season or playoff game, and not before the one-year anniversary of the first regular season game for which the player was on the team's roster under his current contract. If the player played in fewer than 10 games in the last season in which he played, the team can apply on the one-year anniversary of the player's last regular season or playoff game, or 60 days after his last game in the current season, whichever is later.

The determination as to whether an injury or illness is career ending is made by a physician jointly selected by the league and players association, or by a Fitness to Play panel (see question number 62). The determination is based on whether the injury or illness will prevent the player from playing for the remainder of his career, or if it is severe enough that continuing to play constitutes a medically unacceptable risk.

If the injury exclusion is granted, the player's salary is removed from the team salary immediately.

If the player later "proves the doctors wrong" and resumes his career, then his salary is returned to the team salary when he plays in his 25th game1 in any one season, for any team. This allows a player to attempt to resume his career without affecting his previous team unless his comeback is ultimately successful.2 If the 25th game was a playoff game, then the player's salary is returned to the cap effective on the date of the team's last regular season game (i.e., the returned salary counts toward the luxury tax).

There are a few additional nuances to the salary exclusion:
•If the player resumes his career and his salary is returned to the team salary, the team can re-apply for the salary exclusion under the same rules (including the rules for the waiting period).
•If a player retires, even for medical reasons, his team does not receive a salary cap exception to acquire a replacement player.
•A team can only apply for salary exclusion during the original term of a contract. If the player was waived and his salary stretched (see question number 64), the team must apply for the salary exclusion before the contract's original end date.
•A team cannot apply for this salary exclusion if they have applied for a Disabled Player exception (see question number 25) that season, whether the exception was granted or not.
•If this salary exclusion is granted, the team cannot re-sign or re-acquire the player at any time.
•This salary exclusion can be used when a player dies while under contract.


1 They count only regular season and playoff games, and do not count preseason games. This was not specified prior to the 2011 CBA. During the 2008-09 season Darius Miles (whose salary was excluded from Portland's cap) played in 10 games for Boston and Memphis (the limit was 10 games at the time), which included preseason games. The league counted the preseason games toward the total, and returned Miles' salary to Portland's cap.
2 If the player's salary was excluded because a Fitness to Play panel determined that the player had a materially elevated risk of death, then the player's salary doesn't go back onto the team salary even if he plays in 25 games.

Miami just went through it with Bosh and was unable to trade him because the team on the other end of the transaction wouldn't have been able to exclude his salary.
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Post#171 » by Wisky4life » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:19 pm

I think you can keep Jordan and parker. Just have to ship out Henson, Delly and another salary such as Snell or Telly retiring.

Henson, Snell and another body(Maker) for DJ and Williams works perfect for us while resigning Parker next year, even if DJ leaves.
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Post#172 » by Dellyhas2gfs » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:51 pm

None of the contracts are bad really, could be in a much worse place. But the team would need to go into the luxury if it wants to take on the Warriors

Giannis, Bledsoe, Middleton - all-star players
Maker, D.J. Wilson, Vaughn, Terry, Brogdon, Munford, Brown, Kilpatrick - cheap
Henson - playing to his contract
Mirza - doesn't effect the cap
Jabari - $7 mil expiring
Delly - $9.6 plays to contract during playoffs
Snell - $9.8 maybe worst contract.

You think the Heat would take Henson with either Brogdon or Jabari for Whiteside?
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Post#173 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:03 pm

I would easily rather have BAM! over Whiteside, but with the way he's looked as a rookie he's probably untouchable from the Heat's perspective.
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Post#174 » by Fotis St » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:23 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I would easily rather have BAM! over Whiteside, but with the way he's looked as a rookie he's probably untouchable from the Heat's perspective.


Came here to post a trade idea to get BAM and you just had the same idea minutes ago. That is why I love this forum, alot of true basketball minds are here.

PS Any Heat's Center Whiteside/Olynyk/BAM could be our starter C.

Not sure if anyone is available BUT I would offer
Khris + filler for Whiteside
Snell for Olynyk
Wilson,Vaughn/2nd for BAM
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Post#175 » by Ruzious » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:33 pm

Fotis St wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:I would easily rather have BAM! over Whiteside, but with the way he's looked as a rookie he's probably untouchable from the Heat's perspective.


Came here to post a trade idea to get BAM and you just had the same idea minutes ago. That is why I love this forum, alot of true basketball minds are here.

PS Any Heat's Center Whiteside/Olynyk/BAM could be our starter C.

Not sure if anyone is available BUT I would offer
Khris + filler for Whiteside
Snell for Olynyk
Wilson,Vaughn/2nd for BAM

I'm no sure why, but it always seems Miami is unhappy with Whiteside. Whenever I watch, he's a dominant defensive force, a dominant rebounder, and a guy who often commands a double-team when he gets the ball in good position. But his minutes are down 7 a game this season - even though his production hasn't slipped - per minutes. In fact, his rebounding is the best rate of his career. He's getting paid a lot - as he should be. I'd offer Henson, Parker, and Wilson for him. I think it's a bargain for Milwaukee, but again - Miami seems to have issues with him - and there have always been issues with him about his maturity. But what would we be giving up to get him. Henson is... Henson - a decent player but annoying as hell, Parker may cost more than he's worth, and Wilson was a mistake. The key in some of these trade ideas is finding a team where Parker can be the featured offensive player - where his value is higher than elsewhere.
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Post#176 » by Plossum » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:36 pm

Bam is worth way more than that at this point.

I’d stick clear of Wiggins and Winslow. Haven’t seen anything to suggest they’ll be good NBA players long term. Perhaps a tad depressing but I think we’d be better off long term with Midds and Snell instead.
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Post#177 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:37 pm

Yeah, not much interest in Whiteside anymore. He's not worth the headache for what he actually provides on the court, not to mention that huge contract. If Riley's smart he trades him now and maximizes value. BAM! is gonna be their future starting center and hot take incoming, he may already be better than Whiteside.
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Post#178 » by DingleJerry » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:42 pm

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HurricaneKid wrote:I just want to clear up a point:

WE CANNOT TRADE TELLY.

Here is why:



61. What are the rules for retired players? What if the player suffers a career-ending injury?

There's nothing binding about a player announcing his retirement. The player can still sign a new contract and continue playing (if he's not under contract), or return to his team (if he is still under contract) and resume his career.

The only exception to this is when a player is still under contract, wants to quit, and his team doesn't want to let him out of his contract. Under these circumstances the player can file for retirement with the league. The player is placed on the league's Voluntarily Retired list (see question number 79), forgoes his remaining salary, and cannot return to the league for one year. The latter requirement prevents players from using retirement as an underhanded way to change teams, and can be overridden with unanimous approval from all 30 teams. For example, guard Jason Williams signed with the LA Clippers in August 2008, then changed his mind the following month, announcing his retirement. He applied for reinstatement in early 2009, but his request was denied by a vote of 24-6. Williams later signed with the Orlando Magic once the one-year anniversary of his retirement announcement had passed.

Any money paid to a player is included in team salary, even if the player is no longer playing or has retired.

There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is excluded from team salary. This is when a player suffers a career-ending injury or illness. The team must waive the player, and can apply for this salary exclusion following a waiting period. Only the player's team at the time the injury or illness was discovered (or reasonably should have been discovered) can apply for this salary exclusion.

The team can apply to have the player's salary excluded starting on the first anniversary of the player's last regular season or playoff game, and not before the one-year anniversary of the first regular season game for which the player was on the team's roster under his current contract. If the player played in fewer than 10 games in the last season in which he played, the team can apply on the one-year anniversary of the player's last regular season or playoff game, or 60 days after his last game in the current season, whichever is later.

The determination as to whether an injury or illness is career ending is made by a physician jointly selected by the league and players association, or by a Fitness to Play panel (see question number 62). The determination is based on whether the injury or illness will prevent the player from playing for the remainder of his career, or if it is severe enough that continuing to play constitutes a medically unacceptable risk.

If the injury exclusion is granted, the player's salary is removed from the team salary immediately.

If the player later "proves the doctors wrong" and resumes his career, then his salary is returned to the team salary when he plays in his 25th game1 in any one season, for any team. This allows a player to attempt to resume his career without affecting his previous team unless his comeback is ultimately successful.2 If the 25th game was a playoff game, then the player's salary is returned to the cap effective on the date of the team's last regular season game (i.e., the returned salary counts toward the luxury tax).

There are a few additional nuances to the salary exclusion:
•If the player resumes his career and his salary is returned to the team salary, the team can re-apply for the salary exclusion under the same rules (including the rules for the waiting period).
•If a player retires, even for medical reasons, his team does not receive a salary cap exception to acquire a replacement player.
•A team can only apply for salary exclusion during the original term of a contract. If the player was waived and his salary stretched (see question number 64), the team must apply for the salary exclusion before the contract's original end date.
•A team cannot apply for this salary exclusion if they have applied for a Disabled Player exception (see question number 25) that season, whether the exception was granted or not.
•If this salary exclusion is granted, the team cannot re-sign or re-acquire the player at any time.
•This salary exclusion can be used when a player dies while under contract.


1 They count only regular season and playoff games, and do not count preseason games. This was not specified prior to the 2011 CBA. During the 2008-09 season Darius Miles (whose salary was excluded from Portland's cap) played in 10 games for Boston and Memphis (the limit was 10 games at the time), which included preseason games. The league counted the preseason games toward the total, and returned Miles' salary to Portland's cap.
2 If the player's salary was excluded because a Fitness to Play panel determined that the player had a materially elevated risk of death, then the player's salary doesn't go back onto the team salary even if he plays in 25 games.

Miami just went through it with Bosh and was unable to trade him because the team on the other end of the transaction wouldn't have been able to exclude his salary.


Good info, thanks.

But if I read that correctly you still could trade him, but the other team would not be able to cut him. So it's just like trading the contract of a crappy player and sitting him on the bench. And still, he'd be a possibly useful expiring contract next year for anyone who trades for him. So take the Olynyk thing I threw out, MIA would still have to pay him this year and next but would get out of the 24ish mil left for Olynyk the other two years. BAsically the trading team would know Mirza can't play and would just be moving his contract around, like has happened with several guys over the years. But they can't get the added perk of getting out of the last 10 mil on their cap.
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Post#179 » by Karsenmitsche » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:59 pm

Not really anything we didn't expect but have heard from two people within bucks front office that they are looking hard at trading Jabari.

They have brought in special data analytic guys with just the sole purpose of seeing how effective Jabari can be coming back from injury.
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Post#180 » by M-C-G » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:08 pm

Karsenmitsche wrote:Not really anything we didn't expect but have heard from two people within bucks front office that they are looking hard at trading Jabari.

They have brought in special data analytic guys with just the sole purpose of seeing how effective Jabari can be coming back from injury.


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