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Spud2nique wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:Add'l NOTE: Trae Young and Collin Sexton will face off at the end of this month. I have never been so excited to see two college freshmen matchup.
Wow...that's gonna be fun. I'm predicting Young to school Sexton both in stats and getting the win. Game planning has a lot to do with it obviously but this should be a hoot!
Spud2nique wrote:kg01 wrote:Spud2nique wrote:
Sexton ahead of Bagley???? Whoa! Now that's going out on a limb! I like it! I mean I like the fact that you went out on a limb...
Which Bridges at 7? Debate for either here...I'd pick Mikal first.
I notice you seem to like Porter jr. a lot...I do as well but that back thing...scared. But wow you have him at 3...that's some pine nuts right there!
Mikal.
Don't tell Mace but I agreed with his assessment of Bagley. He's all knees and elbows out there. Just out-athleting guys. Not much refinement to his game. Basically the PF/C version of Young. There are some legitimate questions of the degree to which their uber-production can/will translate. Both are out-performing similar players who've come along but the questions remain.
I think Sexton can be Har_en-like who, as Jamaaaaaaliver says, Budz can coach bad habits out of.
On Porter, it's mostly based on what folks think/thought he could be. 6'10" scoring machine on the wang. Basically the type of player we've needed since #21 was double-pump, reverse dunkin' on dees fools. The back is certainly a gamble but him at my 3 assumes we'll receive a clean bill of health.
If I'm Schlenk, I give him a hearty bro-hug in pre-draft interviews with a pretty mean back-slap. Any flinch and he's off our board. Ha!
I really want a hug from Schlenk..said nobody ever...jk Travis it's happy hour here in Cali ...actually it's not but..
Mace did have a point about athleticism being a big part of Bagley's game...but if he's arguing all knees and elbows out there then I'm pointing to the #5 pick of the 1995 draft..(mic drop)..ya I don't care to say his name..or his dummy Celt teammate who wants his own Celtic night all to himself. But the fact remains that they are similar in many ways...I know I know...there have been many many guys labeled the next big ticket..stomile swift as an example that didn't pan out. I just don't want to be the team that missed out on a superstar. I totally understand not judging a book by its cover but Bagley strikes me as a guy that will adjust his game to whatever is necessary to be a superstar in the NBA...I think it will come very quickly for him as well. Something about him..he's got the IT (not that lil shiii) factor for me.
Not sure about sexy Sexton either. He is bulldozing kids aside right now but I would like my point guards #1 asset to be passing and shooting the longball...this guy seems to use his body strength too much to get his. I'd personally prefer a Young over Sexton here myself.
So we disagree on Bagley and Sexton.
kg01 wrote:Spud2nique wrote:kg01 wrote:
Mikal.
Don't tell Mace but I agreed with his assessment of Bagley. He's all knees and elbows out there. Just out-athleting guys. Not much refinement to his game. Basically the PF/C version of Young. There are some legitimate questions of the degree to which their uber-production can/will translate. Both are out-performing similar players who've come along but the questions remain.
I think Sexton can be Har_en-like who, as Jamaaaaaaliver says, Budz can coach bad habits out of.
On Porter, it's mostly based on what folks think/thought he could be. 6'10" scoring machine on the wang. Basically the type of player we've needed since #21 was double-pump, reverse dunkin' on dees fools. The back is certainly a gamble but him at my 3 assumes we'll receive a clean bill of health.
If I'm Schlenk, I give him a hearty bro-hug in pre-draft interviews with a pretty mean back-slap. Any flinch and he's off our board. Ha!
Mace did have a point about athleticism being a big part of Bagley's game...but if he's arguing all knees and elbows out there then I'm pointing to the #5 pick of the 1995 draft..(mic drop)..ya I don't care to say his name..or his dummy Celt teammate who wants his own Celtic night all to himself. But the fact remains that they are similar in many ways...I know I know...there have been many many guys labeled the next big ticket..stomile swift as an example that didn't pan out. I just don't want to be the team that missed out on a superstar. I totally understand not judging a book by its cover but Bagley strikes me as a guy that will adjust his game to whatever is necessary to be a superstar in the NBA...I think it will come very quickly for him as well. Something about him..he's got the IT (not that lil shiii) factor for me.
Not sure about sexy Sexton either. He is bulldozing kids aside right now but I would like my point guards #1 asset to be passing and shooting the longball...this guy seems to use his body strength too much to get his. I'd personally prefer a Young over Sexton here myself.
So we disagree on Bagley and Sexton.
Oh you don't care to say .... kg?
And honestly, Bagley is only like Garnett in physical stature. Garnett supposedly had a very polished game. Certainly more so than Bagley so IMHO the comparison is off. That version of Garnett is the #1 pick all day over all these clowns ... admittedly, that's based on things I read about him back then since I never saw his workouts (obviously).
Sexy v Young should be a battle. I should mention Sexton's biggest attribute (and perhaps his largest weakness) is his competitiveness so do not sell him short in that matchup.
I certainly understand your pg preference but I'd say, due to changes in the game, the ability to effect the defense (which manifests in may ways) is right up there with traditional passing/shooting you mention and is perhaps more important. That's something Sexton has.
Plus, can we really pass up on the opportunity to call a guy Sexy and get away with it?
Spud2nique wrote:kg01 wrote:Spud2nique wrote:
Mace did have a point about athleticism being a big part of Bagley's game...but if he's arguing all knees and elbows out there then I'm pointing to the #5 pick of the 1995 draft..(mic drop)..ya I don't care to say his name..or his dummy Celt teammate who wants his own Celtic night all to himself. But the fact remains that they are similar in many ways...I know I know...there have been many many guys labeled the next big ticket..stomile swift as an example that didn't pan out. I just don't want to be the team that missed out on a superstar. I totally understand not judging a book by its cover but Bagley strikes me as a guy that will adjust his game to whatever is necessary to be a superstar in the NBA...I think it will come very quickly for him as well. Something about him..he's got the IT (not that lil shiii) factor for me.
Not sure about sexy Sexton either. He is bulldozing kids aside right now but I would like my point guards #1 asset to be passing and shooting the longball...this guy seems to use his body strength too much to get his. I'd personally prefer a Young over Sexton here myself.
So we disagree on Bagley and Sexton.
Oh you don't care to say .... kg?
And honestly, Bagley is only like Garnett in physical stature. Garnett supposedly had a very polished game. Certainly more so than Bagley so IMHO the comparison is off. That version of Garnett is the #1 pick all day over all these clowns ... admittedly, that's based on things I read about him back then since I never saw his workouts (obviously).
Sexy v Young should be a battle. I should mention Sexton's biggest attribute (and perhaps his largest weakness) is his competitiveness so do not sell him short in that matchup.
I certainly understand your pg preference but I'd say, due to changes in the game, the ability to effect the defense (which manifests in may ways) is right up there with traditional passing/shooting you mention and is perhaps more important. That's something Sexton has.
Plus, can we really pass up on the opportunity to call a guy Sexy and get away with it?
Screeeeeeeeeeccchhhh..tire breaks...what's that now? KG had a polished game coming out of high school?...ummmm no...no no no no no...he was raw as hell. He was a long skinny kid that had potantial but he was faaaaaar from being polished...even in the first couple of years with the Wolves he looked raw. Ya I don't know what kind of bs they wrote or are writing but KG wasn't polished...
By the way I said KG
Sexy Sexton...:-/ I'm not ready..
kg01 wrote:Spud2nique wrote:kg01 wrote:
Oh you don't care to say .... kg?
And honestly, Bagley is only like Garnett in physical stature. Garnett supposedly had a very polished game. Certainly more so than Bagley so IMHO the comparison is off. That version of Garnett is the #1 pick all day over all these clowns ... admittedly, that's based on things I read about him back then since I never saw his workouts (obviously).
Sexy v Young should be a battle. I should mention Sexton's biggest attribute (and perhaps his largest weakness) is his competitiveness so do not sell him short in that matchup.
I certainly understand your pg preference but I'd say, due to changes in the game, the ability to effect the defense (which manifests in may ways) is right up there with traditional passing/shooting you mention and is perhaps more important. That's something Sexton has.
Plus, can we really pass up on the opportunity to call a guy Sexy and get away with it?
Screeeeeeeeeeccchhhh..tire breaks...what's that now? KG had a polished game coming out of high school?...ummmm no...no no no no no...he was raw as hell. He was a long skinny kid that had potantial but he was faaaaaar from being polished...even in the first couple of years with the Wolves he looked raw. Ya I don't know what kind of bs they wrote or are writing but KG wasn't polished...
By the way I said KG
Sexy Sexton...:-/ I'm not ready..
You tellin' me my remembry is faltered? I recall it being said the only reason they drafted him was because he was so polished in his workouts.
Jamaaliver wrote:^Wendell Carter is under appreciated...he consistently gets over shadowed by Duval and Bagley.
But if he stays in school another season, I think he goes top 5 in 2019 Draft.
He's that good.
Bleacher ReportNBA Scouts Describe What's Behind Trae Young's Star Potential
NBA scouts are buying into Oklahoma's Trae Young more by the week.
[S]ome scouts who initially expressed hesitation have admitted to Bleacher Report they're now finding it easier to picture his game translating at the pro level. Many are starting to look past the physical flaws that typically raise questions when evaluating for the NBA.
"His production speaks for itself. No need to overthink," one Eastern Conference scout said. "He leads the nation in scoring and assists while being game-planned for by every opponent. His skill and vision make up for average athleticism."
The most notable area where Young has struggled has been finishing around the rim in the half court (43.9 percent). That's why it's so encouraging he's developed an elite floater.
Young's playmaking has been equally impressive as his scoring, particularly out of pick-and-roll sets (39.9 percent of offense), where he's been excellent at freezing the defense with hesitation and using it to create scoring chances for teammates.
He's been most effective hitting the roll man. While Young generates most of his offense out of pick-and-rolls (39.9 percent) and transition (23.9 percent), he's also one of the most efficient isolation scorers in the country.
The fact that he's generating offense in extreme volume—even on off days—[should] jump out as a comforting selling point to evaluators on the fence.
Jamaaliver wrote:"His production speaks for itself. No need to overthink," one Eastern Conference scout said. "He leads the nation in scoring and assists while being game-planned for by every opponent. His skill and vision make up for average athleticism."
thr3ep01nte4 wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:"His production speaks for itself. No need to overthink," one Eastern Conference scout said. "He leads the nation in scoring and assists while being game-planned for by every opponent. His skill and vision make up for average athleticism."
Skill level is an essential part of the game, so are basketball IQ and competitive motor. A high BBIQ not only can make the game easier for the individual himself, but also elevates the game of everyone around him. High competitive motor basically does the same thing by boosting the energy level of the entire team.
I spent some time watching Porzingis, Jokic, and Embiid. From these three, Porzingis frustrates me the most, as he often seems to make it hard on himself (I don't know if it's the coach or anything else) by fighting against physical defense in the midpost and taking contest jumpers instead of using the pick-and-roll to catch the ball on the move or free himself to the three point line and taking easier open shots. This type of stuff just wears a player down, as he said he was tired a week ago.
Jokic and Embiid, on the other hand, have displayed higher BBIQ. They (especially Jokic) see the court well and know how to use teammates to make their own game easier. I do see Ayton display some flashes of involving teammates and getting them open shots when facing double teams in the post. He also seems to get fired up from time to time, which is good. Doncic displays even more.
kg01 wrote:
Good stuff here. Especially the bit about Porzingo making the game hard on himself. If he's smart, he's not long for NYK unless he plans on being another Melo-type. Put up nimbers and getting individual accolades all while losing.
It's why Ayton's still at the top of my list despite my questions.
thr3ep01nte4 wrote:kg01 wrote:
Good stuff here. Especially the bit about Porzingo making the game hard on himself. If he's smart, he's not long for NYK unless he plans on being another Melo-type. Put up nimbers and getting individual accolades all while losing.
It's why Ayton's still at the top of my list despite my questions.
Thanks, just my humble opinions. I think Ayton's body may hold up longer than Embiid's. The way Embiid is using his body and the way he lumbers up and down the floor (reminds me of the way Yao Ming used to move) makes me think that he may not have a very long career. Even if he turns out playing long enough, his game will have to change. His body won't allow him to play like this for long.
Spud2nique wrote:Speaking of Ayton and his body...he mentions here he didn't lift weight before college not wanting to be "stiff" like "Dwight Howard."
That statement alone bumps him up on my list lol...good stuff here take a glance ..
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22023803/arizona-wildcats-freshman-deandre-ayton-not-afraid-do-big-things
thr3ep01nte4 wrote:Spud2nique wrote:Speaking of Ayton and his body...he mentions here he didn't lift weight before college not wanting to be "stiff" like "Dwight Howard."
That statement alone bumps him up on my list lol...good stuff here take a glance ..
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22023803/arizona-wildcats-freshman-deandre-ayton-not-afraid-do-big-things
Yeah, he looks much more fluid with the ball than Dwight Howard. Ayton can put the ball on the floor and attack, post up down low, and shoot the mid range jumper. He's a bigger Nene, hopefully without the injuries.
thr3ep01nte4 wrote:A bigger and more fluid Nene can definitely average 20+10. Actually, if he turns out to be 10% better than Brad Daugherty, I will be happy.
It’s a perimeter league now. Towns has been relegated to second fiddle to Jimmy Butler even after a season like that. If Simmons could shoot, Embiid would be second-in-command too. It’s just the way it is now. I do miss the big men league sometimes.
macd-gm wrote:Which is why I hate to use our one chance at a top pick on a big. We'll still be searching for a star wing to make us a contender (or even close).