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Post#921 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:25 pm

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TheBrooklynKidd wrote:Well cause this team needs a short term C to start for us while Allen develops. We also need a stretch big. Forget this Allen/Okafor pairing stuff, an Allen/Lopez pairing would actually work. It would also be great to have him back with the organization and it would make the Lakers look terrible. See there’s a lot of reasons :lol:


Cant pair allen and lopez. lopez is too awful a defender. no way he can gaurd PFs and you take away the value of allen defensively putting him at the 4. not to mention we have a PF in RHJ. and we are better off with a stretch big on a lower salary then throwing even more money into a center like brook

Don’t get me wrong I don’t want him on anything more than like 10 mill a year for 2 years but it’s looking like he’s gonna be getting around that amount unless the Lakers throw him one of those one year overpays.


if he takes the MLE and can accept 15-20 minutes i might do it. but id much rather someone who plays defense and can gaurd on the perimeter. id rather go after like jaymichael green type.


Allen would guard PFs on defense while Lopez stretches the floor on offense. That’s much better than if we were to pair Allen with Okafor. They wouldn’t always be on the floor together, I’m just saying they could i necessary. But this team needs a starting C in the short term and a stretch big. Brook Lopez fills both of those roles along with being a fan favorite and a great locker room guy.

I don’t really want Green. I’d prefer someone taller that can play center as well. Like you said, we already have RHJ at the 4.
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Post#922 » by MGrand15 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:44 pm

Hard pass on Lopez for me regardless of cost. We have a system and philosophy and for some reason every center we pick up is the exact opposite type of player.

Let's get an actual stretch 5 or an athletic rim runner. Not some guy were trying to convert in to a 3pt shooter or someone who can't move on defense.
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Post#923 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:01 pm

Yeah that's a big no on bringing Lopez back. Allen at PF long term also negates his strengths in the paint.

As far as trading DMC, i like him but if a team offers something of value at the deadline reluctantly we'll have to do it. but we would need a 1st rd pick, expiring contract(s) or young talent in return imo. no point in trading DMC for salary or a 2nd rd pick. let one of these teams trying to get over the hump come out of their pockets. in fact, i'd take the pick and expirings to free up more cash

Allen Crabbe continuing to improve off of the ball as well as defensively will make the trade a lot easier.
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Post#924 » by LKIRNets » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:29 pm

My god back to Lopez? Dude chill out. Okafor wasn't even that big of an issue last night. The upside of an Okafor and Allen pairing is more than Lopez and anyone. Relax. :lol:
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Post#925 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:38 pm

Lopez is a real stretch 5, Allen is our athletic rim runner and Lopez would only be a short term answer until Allen is ready to start. He could play with Allen in big lineups if necessary.

Okafor has a very very long way to go before becoming a 3pt threat like Lopez and even longer until defenses respect him out there. That’s why he’s a bad pairing with Allen. If Okafor became what Lopez is now that would be a truly impressive feat by Atkinson and co.

I just think he’s a guy that conveniently fills 3 of our short term needs and can easily transition to the bench once Allen is ready to start. He wouldn’t force Allen to play PF either I’m just saying him and Allen would work better than most 2 Center combos especially Okafor.
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Post#926 » by LKIRNets » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:43 pm

Lopez's feet are dead. Okafor is playing better D than Lopez. He's 21. Move on from Lopez.
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Post#927 » by LKIRNets » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:48 pm

So we're in talent acquisition mode.

We should take a look at 24 year old JaKarr Sampson of the Kings




has a high motor, rebounds, has intensity on defensive coverages, developing jumpshot, is a 3 pt. shot away from being a high impact player.
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Post#928 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:54 pm

LKIRNets wrote:Lopez's feet are dead. Okafor is playing better D than Lopez. He's 21. Move on from Lopez.


Not true at all. Okafors feet were never alive in the first place and his defensive stats are truly abysmal although it is a small sample size this season. But those trends are more or less consistent throughout his career.

Don’t get me wrong Lopez isn’t a great defender either but at least he’s experienced and we know he can block shots. I want him mainly for his shooting at the 5, veteran leadership, the fact he probably signs a small deal this summer and admittedly nostalgia. Obviously he’s not a priority and there’s other guys I’d prefer to use space on: Favors, Noel etc. but he wouldn’t be a bad consolation prize for a portion of our cap space.
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Post#929 » by LKIRNets » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:04 pm

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LKIRNets wrote:Lopez's feet are dead. Okafor is playing better D than Lopez. He's 21. Move on from Lopez.


Not true at all. Okafors feet were never alive in the first place and his defensive stats are truly abysmal although it is a small sample size this season. But those trends are more or less consistent throughout his career.

Don’t get me wrong Lopez isn’t a great defender either but at least he’s experienced and we know he can block shots. I want him mainly for his shooting at the 5, veteran leadership, the fact he probably signs a small deal this summer and admittedly nostalgia. Obviously he’s not a priority and there’s other guys I’d prefer to use space on: Favors, Noel etc. but he wouldn’t be a bad consolation prize for a portion of our cap space.

He actually played good defense yesterday. Why are you riding him?

Lopez is not a good defender. We've moved on from him. He's not starting, he's not coming off the bench in the future. Jahlil Okafor might be here for long term. Next season he might develop a 3 pointer. The most impressive thing I've seen so far is his defense is actually good. Last night his defense helped us. He's improving there.

The offense will come. It takes time.
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Post#930 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:21 pm

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LKIRNets wrote:Lopez's feet are dead. Okafor is playing better D than Lopez. He's 21. Move on from Lopez.


Not true at all. Okafors feet were never alive in the first place and his defensive stats are truly abysmal although it is a small sample size this season. But those trends are more or less consistent throughout his career.

Don’t get me wrong Lopez isn’t a great defender either but at least he’s experienced and we know he can block shots. I want him mainly for his shooting at the 5, veteran leadership, the fact he probably signs a small deal this summer and admittedly nostalgia. Obviously he’s not a priority and there’s other guys I’d prefer to use space on: Favors, Noel etc. but he wouldn’t be a bad consolation prize for a portion of our cap space.

He actually played good defense yesterday. Why are you riding him?

Lopez is not a good defender. We've moved on from him. He's not starting, he's not coming off the bench in the future. Jahlil Okafor might be here for long term. Next season he might develop a 3 pointer. The most impressive thing I've seen so far is his defense is actually good. Last night his defense helped us. He's improving there.

The offense will come. It takes time.


His defense isn’t good though unfortunately. I’m not “riding”. That’s what the stats say and that’s how it’s been his whole career. The dudes DPM is literally more negative than Draymonds is positive.

Like I said he’s a very long ways away from being a 3pt shooter and even farther away from being respected by defenses like Lopez is. Lopez would without a doubt help this team in the short term. We can’t guarantee Okafor will help this team ever. And we could potentially end up getting both especially if Okafor continues to struggle and can’t get a deal.

If this team wants to be competitive next season and go for the 8th seed we need to do something about our bigs. I don’t know if Lopez is the answer but he would be the stretch big we’ve been looking for.
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Post#931 » by LKIRNets » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:28 pm

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Not true at all. Okafors feet were never alive in the first place and his defensive stats are truly abysmal although it is a small sample size this season. But those trends are more or less consistent throughout his career.

Don’t get me wrong Lopez isn’t a great defender either but at least he’s experienced and we know he can block shots. I want him mainly for his shooting at the 5, veteran leadership, the fact he probably signs a small deal this summer and admittedly nostalgia. Obviously he’s not a priority and there’s other guys I’d prefer to use space on: Favors, Noel etc. but he wouldn’t be a bad consolation prize for a portion of our cap space.

He actually played good defense yesterday. Why are you riding him?

Lopez is not a good defender. We've moved on from him. He's not starting, he's not coming off the bench in the future. Jahlil Okafor might be here for long term. Next season he might develop a 3 pointer. The most impressive thing I've seen so far is his defense is actually good. Last night his defense helped us. He's improving there.

The offense will come. It takes time.


His defense isn’t good though unfortunately. I’m not “riding”. That’s what the stats say and that’s how it’s been his whole career. The dudes DPM is literally more negative than Draymonds is positive.

Like I said he’s a very long ways away from being a 3pt shooter and even farther away from being respected by defenses like Lopez is. Lopez would without a doubt help this team in the short term. We can’t guarantee Okafor will help this team ever. And we could potentially end up getting both especially if Okafor continues to struggle and can’t get a deal.

If this team wants to be competitive next season and go for the 8th seed we need to do something about our bigs. I don’t know if Lopez is the answer but he would be the stretch big we’ve been looking for.


bro. I'm watching tapes from last night. Okafor is getting better defensively. He's 22. TWENTY TWO. PATIENCE.

Brook Lopez is done. His legs his stats are more b/c of Lonzo Ball and Julius Randle. Other than that game a few days ago. Let it go.

As for Jahlil Okafor. Give him time. It's been 4 games. Stop arm-chairing.
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Post#932 » by steady » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:41 pm

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Not true at all. Okafors feet were never alive in the first place and his defensive stats are truly abysmal although it is a small sample size this season. But those trends are more or less consistent throughout his career.

Don’t get me wrong Lopez isn’t a great defender either but at least he’s experienced and we know he can block shots. I want him mainly for his shooting at the 5, veteran leadership, the fact he probably signs a small deal this summer and admittedly nostalgia. Obviously he’s not a priority and there’s other guys I’d prefer to use space on: Favors, Noel etc. but he wouldn’t be a bad consolation prize for a portion of our cap space.

He actually played good defense yesterday. Why are you riding him?

Lopez is not a good defender. We've moved on from him. He's not starting, he's not coming off the bench in the future. Jahlil Okafor might be here for long term. Next season he might develop a 3 pointer. The most impressive thing I've seen so far is his defense is actually good. Last night his defense helped us. He's improving there.

The offense will come. It takes time.


His defense isn’t good though unfortunately. I’m not “riding”. That’s what the stats say and that’s how it’s been his whole career. The dudes DPM is literally more negative than Draymonds is positive.

Like I said he’s a very long ways away from being a 3pt shooter and even farther away from being respected by defenses like Lopez is. Lopez would without a doubt help this team in the short term. We can’t guarantee Okafor will help this team ever. And we could potentially end up getting both especially if Okafor continues to struggle and can’t get a deal.

If this team wants to be competitive next season and go for the 8th seed we need to do something about our bigs. I don’t know if Lopez is the answer but he would be the stretch big we’ve been looking for.


Give Atkinson and team some time to work with him, and see if they can make him any better, before you judge and reject him. He is one of those players who you take based on their potential to be great, not the present reality. Would he have sat for several weeks like he did if Atkinson thought he was ready?
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Post#933 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:43 pm

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LKIRNets wrote:He actually played good defense yesterday. Why are you riding him?

Lopez is not a good defender. We've moved on from him. He's not starting, he's not coming off the bench in the future. Jahlil Okafor might be here for long term. Next season he might develop a 3 pointer. The most impressive thing I've seen so far is his defense is actually good. Last night his defense helped us. He's improving there.

The offense will come. It takes time.


His defense isn’t good though unfortunately. I’m not “riding”. That’s what the stats say and that’s how it’s been his whole career. The dudes DPM is literally more negative than Draymonds is positive.

Like I said he’s a very long ways away from being a 3pt shooter and even farther away from being respected by defenses like Lopez is. Lopez would without a doubt help this team in the short term. We can’t guarantee Okafor will help this team ever. And we could potentially end up getting both especially if Okafor continues to struggle and can’t get a deal.

If this team wants to be competitive next season and go for the 8th seed we need to do something about our bigs. I don’t know if Lopez is the answer but he would be the stretch big we’ve been looking for.


bro. I'm watching tapes from last night. Okafor is getting better defensively. He's 22. TWENTY TWO. PATIENCE.

Brook Lopez is done. His legs his stats are more b/c of Lonzo Ball and Julius Randle. Other than that game a few days ago. Let it go.

As for Jahlil Okafor. Give him time. It's been 4 games. Stop arm-chairing.

He put up stats last year and the reason he’s putting up worse stats this year is because he’s playing less minutes and taking less shots.

I think it’s funny that you’re like “I’m watching tapes from least night” and then tell me to stop arm chairing. This is a whole website for people to armchair. That’s what everyone does here including you.

I’m all for patience with Okafor but statements like “Okafor is playing better defense than Lopez” are just baseless. Neither of them are good but Okafor is worse and unfortunately that’s saying a lot.
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Post#934 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:48 pm

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LKIRNets wrote:He actually played good defense yesterday. Why are you riding him?

Lopez is not a good defender. We've moved on from him. He's not starting, he's not coming off the bench in the future. Jahlil Okafor might be here for long term. Next season he might develop a 3 pointer. The most impressive thing I've seen so far is his defense is actually good. Last night his defense helped us. He's improving there.

The offense will come. It takes time.


His defense isn’t good though unfortunately. I’m not “riding”. That’s what the stats say and that’s how it’s been his whole career. The dudes DPM is literally more negative than Draymonds is positive.

Like I said he’s a very long ways away from being a 3pt shooter and even farther away from being respected by defenses like Lopez is. Lopez would without a doubt help this team in the short term. We can’t guarantee Okafor will help this team ever. And we could potentially end up getting both especially if Okafor continues to struggle and can’t get a deal.

If this team wants to be competitive next season and go for the 8th seed we need to do something about our bigs. I don’t know if Lopez is the answer but he would be the stretch big we’ve been looking for.


Give Atkinson and team some time to work with him, and see if they can make him any better, before you judge and reject him. He is one of those players who you take based on their potential to be great, not the present reality. Would he have sat for several weeks like he did if Atkinson thought he was ready?


I absolutely want to give him a chance. I never said we had to get rid of Okafor I was just arguing for Lopez and the need for a real center on this team.

My criticisms were refuting his claims about Okafor as a player right now.

But I am very afraid that this might be a Anthony Bennet situation.
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Post#935 » by MGrand15 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:06 pm

Don't worry guys once Bennett and Chris McCollough get more time in Kenny's system, then we can judge :lol: Hamilton is just about to turn the corner any day now too. Be patient.

On a serious note, my concern with Okafor is that he's not even doing the things he's supposed to be good at. That's why I've said that Oak better be amazing behind the scenes. His pedigree isn't gonna carry him here.

It's still preseason for him but after his mini-training camp, I did expect flashes at least.
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Post#936 » by TheNetsFan » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:42 pm

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Prokorov wrote:trading high on carroll i think is a must move. if we can get a first and clear his salary thats a win win.

that would basically make the trade justin hamilton for 2 firsts


We might be able to fetch that if Carroll was shooting 40% from 3 but that would be insane value for him.

I think the best we can do is an expiring and a 2nd.

A late first is a joke brainer. I'd hesitate if it's only a second round pick.
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Post#937 » by LKIRNets » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:18 am

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:He put up stats last year and the reason he’s putting up worse stats this year is because he’s playing less minutes and taking less shots.

I think it’s funny that you’re like “I’m watching tapes from least night” and then tell me to stop arm chairing. This is a whole website for people to armchair. That’s what everyone does here including you.

I’m all for patience with Okafor but statements like “Okafor is playing better defense than Lopez” are just baseless. Neither of them are good but Okafor is worse and unfortunately that’s saying a lot.


My brotha that was a lost year for him. Mentally and physically he's was where Rondae Hollis-Jefferson was.

That's not what this site is for. This site is to interact wit Nets fans. Not make armchair decisions that aren't logical wit a 22 year old they traded for the longterm rebuild. Kenny Atkinson and Sean Marks decided wit Jahlil it's a longterm commitment.

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Post#938 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:30 am

LKIRNets wrote:
TheBrooklynKidd wrote:He put up stats last year and the reason he’s putting up worse stats this year is because he’s playing less minutes and taking less shots.

I think it’s funny that you’re like “I’m watching tapes from least night” and then tell me to stop arm chairing. This is a whole website for people to armchair. That’s what everyone does here including you.

I’m all for patience with Okafor but statements like “Okafor is playing better defense than Lopez” are just baseless. Neither of them are good but Okafor is worse and unfortunately that’s saying a lot.


My brotha that was a lost year for him. Mentally and physically he's was where Rondae Hollis-Jefferson was.

That's not what this site is for. This site is to interact wit Nets fans. Not make armchair decisions that aren't logical wit a 22 year old they traded for the longterm rebuild. Kenny Atkinson and Sean Marks decided wit Jahlil it's a longterm commitment.



I never said to give up on him or get rid of him. I just said we needed a center to start while Allen and *possibly* Okafor get it together.

I wasn’t making any “armchair decisions” about Okafor. And get off your high horse this is a site where “armchairing” is very common and you’ve done it as well. You could argue that the trades and transactions board is completely devoted to “armchairing” in fact any discussion of who we should trade for/sign is “armchairing.” I don’t see how that could ever be used as an insult. It’s just illogical.
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Post#940 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:55 am

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:Lopez is a real stretch 5, Allen is our athletic rim runner and Lopez would only be a short term answer until Allen is ready to start. He could play with Allen in big lineups if necessary.

Okafor has a very very long way to go before becoming a 3pt threat like Lopez and even longer until defenses respect him out there. That’s why he’s a bad pairing with Allen. If Okafor became what Lopez is now that would be a truly impressive feat by Atkinson and co.

I just think he’s a guy that conveniently fills 3 of our short term needs and can easily transition to the bench once Allen is ready to start. He wouldn’t force Allen to play PF either I’m just saying him and Allen would work better than most 2 Center combos especially Okafor.


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