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Re: Suggestion: Track Crunch-time Plays (1) and Decisions (2) by Wall & Beal 

Post#21 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:40 am

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Ruzious wrote:With Beal, I didn't really have a problem with his decision-making. He flat out missed shots that he shouldn't have. Towards the end, he missed 2 layups and an open 3, and of course he fudged up the last play. Beal generally makes good decisions, but he misses clutch shots that leave me scratching my head.

Yup.

Beal's problem is that he misses shots, particularly in the 4th quarter. Beal, over the first 3 quarters of an NBA game is an elite All-Star and the 2nd best SG in this league behind James Harden. That guy averages 26 points per 36 minutes with an eFG% of .544 and a TS% north of 60%.

Unfortunately, the Bradley Beal that shows up for 4th quarters is easily the worst shooting guard in the league. We'd honestly be better off playing Satoranksy in his place. Sato passes, rebounds and defends as well as Beal, and shoots better (than 4th quarter Beal).


Sato had his arm crossed on from the sideline. Body language said he's beyond frustrated by the Wall Beal **** show that ends games poorly on the regular of late.
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Re: Suggestion: Track Crunch-time Plays (1) and Decisions (2) by Wall & Beal 

Post#22 » by nate33 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:43 am

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Unfortunately, the Bradley Beal that shows up for 4th quarters is easily the worst shooting guard in the league. We'd honestly be better off playing Satoranksy in his place. Sato passes, rebounds and defends as well as Beal, and shoots better (than 4th quarter Beal).


It's easy to say that Sato does those things better now when he's typically the 3rd or 4th option when he's on the court and has never actually filled Beal's role. It could very well be a much different story if opponents treated Sato like the Zards #1 scoring threat like I'm sure they do with Beal.

I thought Sato should have been in the game in the third and fourth quarters when Brooks for some crazy reason was going with Meeks instead. Meeks scored zero points in 16 plus minutes last night

With the way Beal shoots in 4th quarters, literally ANYBODY is likely to have more success. Let's force feed freaking Markieff Morris in crunch time if we have to. He's going to do better than Beal's 29% FG%.
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Re: Suggestion: Track Crunch-time Plays (1) and Decisions (2) by Wall & Beal 

Post#23 » by DCZards » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:31 am

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With the way Beal shoots in 4th quarters, literally ANYBODY is likely to have more success. Let's force feed freaking Markieff Morris in crunch time if we have to. He's going to do better than Beal's 29% FG%.


Two years ago, many of us had legitimate concerns as to whether Beal could overcome his inconsistent play and health issues and become an all-star caliber player worthy of a max contract. I believe he's proven himself in that regard. Today, there are legit concerns regarding Bradley's ability to become a clutch performer. I think that when all is said and done he'll rise to the challenge and excel there as well.
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Re: Suggestion: Track Crunch-time Plays (1) and Decisions (2) by Wall & Beal 

Post#24 » by Ruzious » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:17 pm

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payitforward wrote:No, no, no!

Once again, I have to stress the simple & obvious & undeniable fact that we would have won last night -- going away! -- had we played right in NON-crunch time.

& in fact we outscored Utah in the 4th quarter -- that's not when we lost the game. We did NOT fail in crunch time.

Hell, we turned 78 FGAs into 92 points last night. That's tremendous. Even w/ the crappy FT shooting our TS% last night will win almost every game. As long as you don't also give your opponent 14 extra shots!

Another way to put it: if you put yourself in situations repeatedly where you have to win in so-called "crunch time", then you don't win very often.

We lost this game in an altogether different way. We lost it the easy way: through lazy play earlier in the game.

You're arguing with yourself. Nobody's arguing against that. But when the game is close at the end, there is such a thing as being clutch. Even the baseball metrics nerds admitted that without actually admitting it - they just made up a term to describe it without using the word clutch - "highly leveraged situations". That's too cool for school geek-speak for clutch.

I like to argue with myself, Ruz, but only in highly leveraged situations.

Whoa, pif comes through big in the clutch.
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Re: Suggestion: Track Crunch-time Plays (1) and Decisions (2) by Wall & Beal 

Post#25 » by nate33 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:44 pm

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With the way Beal shoots in 4th quarters, literally ANYBODY is likely to have more success. Let's force feed freaking Markieff Morris in crunch time if we have to. He's going to do better than Beal's 29% FG%.


Two years ago, many of us had legitimate concerns as to whether Beal could overcome his inconsistent play and health issues and become an all-star caliber player worthy of a max contract. I believe he's proven himself in that regard. Today, there are legit concerns regarding Bradley's ability to become a clutch performer. I think that when all is said and done he'll rise to the challenge and excel there as well.

I get it. I like Beal too and I want him to succeed. But I think Brooks is so worried about hurting his players' confidence that he fails to correct them for bad decisions. The team is already way too overconfident and loses far too often due to this overconfidence. They could use a good ass-chewing.

Brooks needs to try something new in crunch time. Clearly, force-feeding Beal and Wall with bad isolation sets is NOT working. Spread the wealth. Run more pick-and-rolls with Gortat. Get Porter and Morris some good looks. You don't have to go through Beal and Wall every time just because they're the designated "star players". They aren't playing like star players in crunch time so they don't deserve so many touches.
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Re: Suggestion: Track Crunch-time Plays (1) and Decisions (2) by Wall & Beal 

Post#26 » by DCZards » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:42 pm

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nate33 wrote:
With the way Beal shoots in 4th quarters, literally ANYBODY is likely to have more success. Let's force feed freaking Markieff Morris in crunch time if we have to. He's going to do better than Beal's 29% FG%.


Two years ago, many of us had legitimate concerns as to whether Beal could overcome his inconsistent play and health issues and become an all-star caliber player worthy of a max contract. I believe he's proven himself in that regard. Today, there are legit concerns regarding Bradley's ability to become a clutch performer. I think that when all is said and done he'll rise to the challenge and excel there as well.

I get it. I like Beal too and I want him to succeed. But I think Brooks is so worried about hurting his players' confidence that he fails to correct them for bad decisions. The team is already way too overconfident and loses far too often due to this overconfidence. They could use a good ass-chewing.

Brooks needs to try something new in crunch time. Clearly, force-feeding Beal and Wall with bad isolation sets is NOT working. Spread the wealth. Run more pick-and-rolls with Gortat. Get Porter and Morris some good looks. You don't have to go through Beal and Wall every time just because they're the designated "star players". They aren't playing like star players in crunch time so they don't deserve so many touches.


Totally agree. There are far too many possessions both at crunch time and throughout the game where Wall (or sometimes Beal) pounds the ball for 15-16 seconds with no ball or player movement whatsoever. That limits shot options and makes it easy on the opponent that only needs to work hard to defend in the last few seconds of the shot clock.

You're right. That's bad coaching. I wish Brooks was more like Pop who will verbally dress down star players (Duncan, Parker, etc.) on the spot when they're not playing the right way.
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Re: Suggestion: Track Crunch-time Plays (1) and Decisions (2) by Wall & Beal 

Post#27 » by queridiculo » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:54 pm

It's not just the shooting that's really killing this team in the 4th.

When the game gets tight so does the Wizards offense and while there's nothing wrong with running down the clock, how on earth do you consistently manage to allow the opposing team to kill you in the fast break on misses?

Washington puts up low percentage shots to milk the clock but nobody is ready to stop the ball in transition when it happens?

Oubre and Morris are two guys that you often see swiping for balls under the opposing basket or attempting to get offensive boards despite being out of position, how about getting back instead?
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Post#28 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:13 pm

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nate33 wrote:
With the way Beal shoots in 4th quarters, literally ANYBODY is likely to have more success. Let's force feed freaking Markieff Morris in crunch time if we have to. He's going to do better than Beal's 29% FG%.


Two years ago, many of us had legitimate concerns as to whether Beal could overcome his inconsistent play and health issues and become an all-star caliber player worthy of a max contract. I believe he's proven himself in that regard. Today, there are legit concerns regarding Bradley's ability to become a clutch performer. I think that when all is said and done he'll rise to the challenge and excel there as well.
By making this particular thread I kind of want to put that out in the open.

Time will tell.

What I really want to see is whether the coach keeps letting this inefficiency keep going on and on and on and on and on...

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Post#29 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:14 pm

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DCZards wrote:
nate33 wrote:
With the way Beal shoots in 4th quarters, literally ANYBODY is likely to have more success. Let's force feed freaking Markieff Morris in crunch time if we have to. He's going to do better than Beal's 29% FG%.


Two years ago, many of us had legitimate concerns as to whether Beal could overcome his inconsistent play and health issues and become an all-star caliber player worthy of a max contract. I believe he's proven himself in that regard. Today, there are legit concerns regarding Bradley's ability to become a clutch performer. I think that when all is said and done he'll rise to the challenge and excel there as well.

I get it. I like Beal too and I want him to succeed. But I think Brooks is so worried about hurting his players' confidence that he fails to correct them for bad decisions. The team is already way too overconfident and loses far too often due to this overconfidence. They could use a good ass-chewing.

Brooks needs to try something new in crunch time. Clearly, force-feeding Beal and Wall with bad isolation sets is NOT working. Spread the wealth. Run more pick-and-rolls with Gortat. Get Porter and Morris some good looks. You don't have to go through Beal and Wall every time just because they're the designated "star players". They aren't playing like star players in crunch time so they don't deserve so many touches.
You think right about no nut sack Brooks.

That was harsh. It's pretty early and I'm on a diet and I haven't eaten yet.

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Post#30 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:15 pm

queridiculo wrote:It's not just the shooting that's really killing this team in the 4th.

When the game gets tight so does the Wizards offense and while there's nothing wrong with running down the clock, how on earth do you consistently manage to allow the opposing team to kill you in the fast break on misses?

Washington puts up low percentage shots to milk the clock but nobody is ready to stop the ball in transition when it happens?

Oubre and Morris are two guys that you often see swiping for balls under the opposing basket or attempting to get offensive boards despite being out of position, how about getting back instead?
Coaching emphasis. Transition defense instead of gambling for steals and being out of position.

What a concept.

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Re: Suggestion: Track Crunch-time Plays (1) and Decisions (2) by Wall & Beal 

Post#31 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:18 pm

When I think of money Scott Brooks and Ernie Grunfeld make... I say to myself why should I be nice?

All I am is one fan with an opinion.

But those of us who are Bullets and Wizards fans are in this for life. Those guys worked with organizations like the Knicks, the Bucks, or the Thunder; and they can leave this team and be something else in the near future if they wish...

And make tons more money!

Those guys and ( also well compensated) players are just people, like the rest of us. I know they're trying hard. I just want to do my part to point out what might help.

Also, blow off some steam because the franchise is going to remain when they're gone. Right now Beal and John Wall are young guys with a lot of money and power. The coach knows that he cannot afford to step on their toes or they will run him quickly. It looks like the other players on the team know they're not going to get the ball and when it counts.

(Chris McCullough jumps really high. As absurd as this sounds that f***** could be clutch for you guys if you were smart enough to figure it out. But I don't think you are. Did you see Gerald Green score 27 points for the Houston Rockets not too long ago. Dude had not been in the league. If you want to start winning some games in the crunch time start doing the unexpected!!!)


The Wizards could have probably won just as many games THIS SEASON by putting Wall and Beal on the bench in crunch time, and replacing them with Tim Frazier and Tomas Satoransky.

I WATCHED THE LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS BEAT THE GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS THE OTHER NIGHT. Ty Wallace was balling. CJ Williams was balling before he got injured. Juwan Evans, who I posted about in this form before the Wizards traded to get Tim Frazier, was part of the five on the floor at the end.

Lou Williams got 50 points.

Especially the Clippers won playing the right way. Even if both Steph Curry and Klay Thompson will not on the floor, Kevin Durant and Draymond Green were on the floor. So was David. So is Andre Iguodala. So was Jordan Bell.

How did people who are not famous win?

Doc Rivers was free to allow players to execute not based upon status and salary or ego. Intelligence was on display more than ego.

Jon and Bradley are just young guys. I don't even blame them. But at some point they do take some mighty selfish shots. When they miss a shot and come back and try the same f****** thing that didn't work a little while ago just makes me wonder.

It is what it is

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