Markelle Fultz Discussion III: For Fultz and going forward (see 2017 draft thread for trade discussion)

[gdog2004]

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We picked a guy first overall who knows nothing about NBA and only plays to earn a paycheck. We failed big time by not doing thorough background check. This is on BC. There is a reason why Ainge passed on this kid...

Now we have to treat him like a work-in-progress project which is ridiculous for a 1st pick

I'm not putting a lot of faith in that video. However, I do put faith in the shooting videos and his whole overall demeanor. He looks and plays nervous, like someone who does not have confidence in his movements. This could be a fantastic trolling job by Markelle and we will all be shocked when he comes out and lights it up, I think we would all be happy with that outcome. But the more stuff that comes out, the more faith I lose.

[PhilasFinest]

Any word on when he’s supposed to come back?

At this point, the kid needs to either just play or they need to shut him down for the most ridiculous fake injury ever.

[Bum Adebayo]

I never understood why he was seen as a number one pick. I didn't think that he was top ten.

He was a poor shooter in high school, shooting around 60% free throws and less than 30% from 3. He was a poor free throw shooter in college. He had a good run from 3 in his freshman year, but his free throw shooting was poor, his college recruiting reports had big question marks over his shooting. He also had really poor shooting workouits prior to the draft.

Can anyone explain why the 6's did not look beyond his college 3 point stat? It seemed so obvious just looking at stats over the past few years that he was not a good shooter, but the 6's drafter him for his shooting. I know this seems like hindsight now, as I was not on this board prior to the drat, but I can not understand why he was drafted.

He wasn't drafted for his shooting, he was drafted for his shot creating ability and passing. Anyone who believed he is/was an elite shooting prospect has no idea about how shooting translates to the NBA, when I saw his predraft workouts, by only looking at his mechanics, it was painfully obvious he would never be a good 3pt shooter. So this is why I think he tried to change his mechanics, he knew and was told that this ain't gonna fly in NBA. But this is a mistake most of the times, he should just stick to drive and shoot off the dribble as this is what made him elite to begin with. He is a shot maker, not a pure shooter.

[JoeZeke]

Fultz is getting more hate now than Ball has ever gotten, or maybe it's the way the whole situation played out? Either way, I'm still going to give the kid a year or two before I start calling him a bust or this being the worst trade ever.

[BigSleep333]

Fultz is getting more hate now than Ball has ever gotten, or maybe it's the way the whole situation played out? Either way, I'm still going to give the kid a year or two before I start calling him a bust or this being the worst trade ever.

he also plays in philly. no cupcake-stuff here

[JoeZeke]

Fultz is getting more hate now than Ball has ever gotten, or maybe it's the way the whole situation played out? Either way, I'm still going to give the kid a year or two before I start calling him a bust or this being the worst trade ever.

he also plays in philly. no cupcake-stuff here

Yeah, but a lot of the hate is coming from non Philly people and non Sixer fans. A lot of people who didn't like the whole "process" stuff are projecting their hate on to Fultz.

[LloydFree]

I never understood why he was seen as a number one pick. I didn't think that he was top ten.

He was a poor shooter in high school, shooting around 60% free throws and less than 30% from 3. He was a poor free throw shooter in college. He had a good run from 3 in his freshman year, but his free throw shooting was poor, his college recruiting reports had big question marks over his shooting. He also had really poor shooting workouits prior to the draft.

Can anyone explain why the 6's did not look beyond his college 3 point stat? It seemed so obvious just looking at stats over the past few years that he was not a good shooter, but the 6's drafter him for his shooting. I know this seems like hindsight now, as I was not on this board prior to the drat, but I can not understand why he was drafted.

Some freelance writers said he was great 18 months ago, and then somehow nobody believed their own eyes once they saw him.

[bryanwithawhy]

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We picked a guy first overall who knows nothing about NBA and only plays to earn a paycheck. We failed big time by not doing thorough background check. This is on BC. There is a reason why Ainge passed on this kid...

Now we have to treat him like a work-in-progress project which is ridiculous for a 1st pick

It's obvious the Celtics saw psychological red flags all over the place with Fultz. I mean, just watching this video I would be terrified to draft this guy. He has no idea when his first NBA game is. He thinks he has 23 teams he is competing with. That was terrifying.

[Negrodamus]

Fultz is getting more hate now than Ball has ever gotten, or maybe it's the way the whole situation played out? Either way, I'm still going to give the kid a year or two before I start calling him a bust or this being the worst trade ever.

I think that’s recency bias and you’re on this board. No one else around the league is really thinking about Fultz.

[JoeZeke]

Fultz is getting more hate now than Ball has ever gotten, or maybe it's the way the whole situation played out? Either way, I'm still going to give the kid a year or two before I start calling him a bust or this being the worst trade ever.

I think that’s recency bias and you’re on this board. No one else around the league is really thinking about Fultz.

There was a huge thread on Reddit about him when the snippets of him shooting in London came out, the vast majority being negative.

[James40]

I think he has a more of a scorers mentality over Simmons, he can still create and play defense, which is better than Bayless and Reddick.

Get him playing ASAP and his jumper is going to have to be a work in progress, he’s still a kid with years of basketball to play. Let him play.

On a lighter note, with his size and shot, maybe he can be an Olympic shot putter, Fultz is a big kid.

[OzCastiel]

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We picked a guy first overall who knows nothing about NBA and only plays to earn a paycheck. We failed big time by not doing thorough background check. This is on BC. There is a reason why Ainge passed on this kid...

Now we have to treat him like a work-in-progress project which is ridiculous for a 1st pick

Like 24. Wow. God bless his heart

[snoopdogg88]

I said it when he was drafted. He strikes me as the dumbest #1 overall pick I’ve ever seen.

Comes off like a total mental midget

[nitocobola]

I never understood why he was seen as a number one pick. I didn't think that he was top ten.

He was a poor shooter in high school, shooting around 60% free throws and less than 30% from 3. He was a poor free throw shooter in college. He had a good run from 3 in his freshman year, but his free throw shooting was poor, his college recruiting reports had big question marks over his shooting. He also had really poor shooting workouits prior to the draft.

Can anyone explain why the 6's did not look beyond his college 3 point stat? It seemed so obvious just looking at stats over the past few years that he was not a good shooter, but the 6's drafter him for his shooting. I know this seems like hindsight now, as I was not on this board prior to the drat, but I can not understand why he was drafted.

This kid was capable of shooting the ball well in college, summer league( a few months ago) and with the usa team.

He was not an elite shooter? Fine, but the whole situation right now is **** bizarre.

I mean, i was not expecting him to be a threat from 3 this year, but at least he should be capable off knocking down midrange jumpers

[Negrodamus]

Fultz is getting more hate now than Ball has ever gotten, or maybe it's the way the whole situation played out? Either way, I'm still going to give the kid a year or two before I start calling him a bust or this being the worst trade ever.

I think that’s recency bias and you’re on this board. No one else around the league is really thinking about Fultz.

There was a huge thread on Reddit about him when the snippets of him shooting in London came out, the vast majority being negative.

And there’s been a year and a half of constant coverage across all media regarding hating Lavar Ball and by extension, putting Lonzo under a magnify glass

[BoomBap]

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We picked a guy first overall who knows nothing about NBA and only plays to earn a paycheck. We failed big time by not doing thorough background check. This is on BC. There is a reason why Ainge passed on this kid...

Now we have to treat him like a work-in-progress project which is ridiculous for a 1st pick

I know some other guys, who only played for a paycheck.

Andre Agassi didn't like Tennis, Gabriel Batistuta and Christian Vieri didn't like Football, Joe DiMAggio didn't like Baseball etc. and they killed it in their respective sports.

The current MVP in the NBA hasn't watched a game in years(his words)

I don't think it is a big issue.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Fultz is the no.1 overall pick. He was supposed to be as close to a can't miss as humanely possible. I think it's natural for people (especially fans of this team that have endured the Hell we've been through) to be concerned and negative at this point. This is Philadelphia, and as far back as I can remember we have always been bi polar when it comes to our sports.There's no sugar coating this and I (like the rest of you) want some answers. The one thing I really detest about BC and some of the others behind the scenes making these decisions is that they truly just do not understand the way Philly fans tick, and they don't seem interested in trying to understand either.
We've dealt with Bynum, Noel, Embiid (twice), Okafor, Simmons, and now Fultz. We've been strung along each time and each time we've hoped like Hell it would be the last time. There seems to be a common trend here in Philly that I don't necessarily see with other teams in terms of just flat out lying and avoiding giving the fans some clarity towards these situations. NFL fans saw this sneaky move pulled with the Colts this past season over Andrew Luck. I'm far from a fan of that team, but I have a friend who is, and his suffering was evident all year as the Indy front office strung the fanbase along until finally ruling Luck out for the season after they were eliminated from playoff contention.

If this situation with Fultz continues past the all star break (it looks like it could), I'm going to become more frustrated with this franchise than I think I've ever been. In fact....I bet a Ben Franklin bill that he doesn't return this year. I think Embiid already hinted about it earlier when he compared this situation to his own.

[76ciology]

[Cheatergriffin]

Fultz is getting more hate now than Ball has ever gotten, or maybe it's the way the whole situation played out? Either way, I'm still going to give the kid a year or two before I start calling him a bust or this being the worst trade ever.

Locally sure, nationally not even close. Half the leagues fans hate lonzo and thats being generous. Theres only 1 fan base crapping on fultz right now.

[Brauer]

I said it when he was drafted. He strikes me as the dumbest #1 overall pick I’ve ever seen.

Comes off like a total mental midget

Damn so you knew that he would randomly stop being able to shoot jumpshots?