Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV

[nate33]

I don't get the salary issues. The outgoing salary but within range of what's coming in. If you include a throwaway deal like Frazier then it becomes 19 million outgoing and 23 million incoming. The extra 4 million does essentially become 8 million due to tax costs, but if the cost of replacing Gortat with an all-star like Whiteside is 8 million--that's just good business no matter how frugal you're trying to be.

Yes, that's correct; you don't get the salary issues. You don't get, for example, that if we brought on Whiteside then 18 months from now we'd have @$119.5m dedicated to 4 players. Above all, you don't get that you can't build a team that way.

We'd all like to have Michael Jordan, Hassan Whiteside, & Spider Man. But, we can't have Jordan b/c he'd too old; we can't have Whiteside b/c he's too expensive; & we can't have Spider Man b/c he isn't a basketball player.

All 3 of those ideas are impossible in exactly equivalent ways, & it's pointless to talk about them for exactly equivalent reasons.

[Ruzious]

I think Spiderman's been banned for uniform violations.

[OFWGKTA]

Does Beal and Gortat for Cousins and Holiday appeal at all?

[queridiculo]

Does Beal and Gortat for Cousins and Holiday appeal at all?

You'll get laughed of here for proposing that deal.

[Dark Faze]

Is Mitchell Robinson the consensus draft pick for us with our first btw?

[pcbothwel]

Is Mitchell Robinson the consensus draft pick for us with our first btw?

I really like him and Fernando as bigs and Bowen and Diallo as 2's.
- Devonte Graham as a PG could step in day one and be a really good backup with Sato.
- Landry Shamet is turning into a slight man crush for me. High IQ, big tool box, and great shooter... Definitely a little steph curry in his game, so I think he goes in the late teens.
- Tony Carr looks really intriguing too, but man he really came out of nowhere and fast... I need to see a larger sample size
- Another intriguing player is Alize Johnson. High motor, good athlete with quick feet and rebounds his butt off. If he can gain a little more consistency with his shooting... I really like him. Was only 6'4 and under recruited out of HS, but then grew 4-5 inches. Very Draymond-esque with his ability to overcome size and length deficiency to guard multiple positions, grab the rebound, start the break, and then finish himself or pass.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Give it up Wizards IF they take Jason Williams and give us ... SUMP - TIN.

Give them three first round picks if they take Mahinmi/Gortat and whatever in exchange for Williams and DJ.

Nope. Three first round picks for two players who are going to be free agents after this season?

WORST CASE: Yeah, that's bad.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Does Beal and Gortat for Cousins and Holiday appeal at all?

I'll at least do the math before I say, "No thanks".

[Dark Faze]

It may not be impossible to acquire Nantz. The Lakers are looking at George and Kuzma won't be glued to the bench forever. I think the future Laker lineup is Ball/George/Ingram/Kuzma/Center.

[Shoe]

If Cleveland blows it up this offseason can the Wiz turn Kieff into Kevin Love. I wonder if the Cavs would just sign Isaiah + keep Love if LeBron leaves, since no one else will want to go there.

[Dark Faze]

Gortat just said he wants to retire next year and also play for the magic before doing so lol

Welp there goes his trade value

[Magic_Johnny12]

Gortat just said he wants to retire next year and also play for the magic before doing so lol

Welp there goes his trade value

How available is Oubre?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Gortat just said he wants to retire next year and also play for the magic before doing so lol

Welp there goes his trade value

After playing all these years with John Wall and Bradley Beal taking all them damn shots I don't blame him.

Marcin Gortat sets all these picks and gives up his body, but this coach really likes Ian Mahinmi better.

The game is now perimeter-oriented. Gortat is a dinosaur of sorts. I wish the Wizards could trade him to Orlando and get Marc Gasol; with assets going to Orlando and Memphis.

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[Dark Faze]

Gortat just said he wants to retire next year and also play for the magic before doing so lol

Welp there goes his trade value

After playing all these years with John Wall and Bradley Beal taking all them damn shots I don't blame him.

Marcin Gortat sets all these picks and gives up his body, but this coach really likes Ian Mahinmi better.

The game is now perimeter-oriented. Gortat is a dinosaur of sorts. I wish the Wizards could trade him to Orlando and get Marc Gasol; with assets going to Orlando and Memphis.

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Marc hasn't even thought about adding anything to his game like..ever. He's the exact same player he was for Orlando, albeit reduced. He doesn't have the skillset to get touches. He has ZERO drive game or a shot outside of seven feet. If he could extend his range or have any kind of game he'd be getting more shots.

[pcbothwel]

Gortat just said he wants to retire next year and also play for the magic before doing so lol

Welp there goes his trade value

How available is Oubre?

he really isnt unless for Overpay, and for good reason. He has the Height/Length/Athleticism and overall drive to be great. Hes a grinder... so with that out the way, look at his stats over his first three years.

ORtg: 93, 104, 110
DRtg: 106, 110, 106
TS: 50%, 51%, 56%
BPM: -5.8, -2.3, 0

*** Keep in mind all these improvements are accompanied by an increase in usage and minutes. So this is real

As wizards fans, we've seen this before in Otto Porter. No way we take the chance on giving that up. He may never be as efficient as Otto, but he has the skills to be an Alpha dog

The list is short for wings that have his pedigree along with the improvements we've seen. Hes like a cross between a young Nick Batum and Tobias Harris.

[Dark Faze]

Gortat just said he wants to retire next year and also play for the magic before doing so lol

Welp there goes his trade value

How available is Oubre?

Not so available. The players that we'd want for him are probably gonna catch big money. It's complicated because we really need to see what his market is and how he looks in his contract year

[nate33]

Gortat just said he wants to retire next year and also play for the magic before doing so lol

Welp there goes his trade value

How available is Oubre?

He may seem available because both Oubre and Porter currently play SF, but the long term plan is for Porter to move to PF.

[FAH1223]

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[nate33]

Gortat just said he wants to retire next year and also play for the magic before doing so lol

Welp there goes his trade value

Link?

Did he mean he wants to retire AFTER next year (when his contract is up), or does he want to retire this summer?

If he really wants to retire next year, I wouldn't have a problem with dissolving the final year of his contract and letting him go. I like Gortat and consider him a reasonably effective center, but it's not like he's a bargain on his current contract. There is a surplus of big men in this league so finding a replacement shouldn't prove very difficult. Shedding Gortat would certainly help with some luxtax issues. We could go ahead and pay the luxtax this year (rather than trade away a 1st to shed salary) because we'd avoid the luxtax next year with Gortat off the books. That means we'd avoid the repeater tax in 2019/20 when Wall's salary balloons. By 2020/21, Mahinmi is gone and things get a bit more manageable.

[pcbothwel]

Gortat just said he wants to retire next year and also play for the magic before doing so lol

Welp there goes his trade value

After playing all these years with John Wall and Bradley Beal taking all them damn shots I don't blame him.

Marcin Gortat sets all these picks and gives up his body, but this coach really likes Ian Mahinmi better.

The game is now perimeter-oriented. Gortat is a dinosaur of sorts. I wish the Wizards could trade him to Orlando and get Marc Gasol; with assets going to Orlando and Memphis.

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Marc hasn't even thought about adding anything to his game like..ever. He's the exact same player he was for Orlando, albeit reduced. He doesn't have the skillset to get touches. He has ZERO drive game or a shot outside of seven feet. If he could extend his range or have any kind of game he'd be getting more shots.

I was hoping he'd resign to Vet Min after his contract expires. He has been remarkably consistent and healthy for us. With the way he sets picks and frees shooters and runs the PnR, he could easily play 10-15 MPG well into his late 30's.
Oh well.

Gortat, our 1st (#22) and Smith for Vuc and filler (Iwundu)?
Im not thrilled about the trade, but it gets us a Center that can spread the floor a bit and gets us under Lux tax.

I probably over value Iwundu, but this is one of the few trades that:
1) Make us better this and next year
2) Get us under Lux tax
3) Get us another young player for depth

PIF, dont get all wild on me about trading the pick. I'll save you the time.
"Trading the pick is the exact reason we are in this mess. We cant afford this team in 2 years and need all the picks we can get..."