Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV

[Dark Faze]

Gortat just said he wants to retire next year and also play for the magic before doing so lol

Welp there goes his trade value

Link?

Did he mean he wants to retire AFTER next year (when his contract is up), or does he want to retire this summer?

If he really wants to retire next year, I wouldn't have a problem with dissolving the final year of his contract and letting him go. I like Gortat and consider him a reasonably effective center, but it's not like he's a bargain on his current contract. There is a surplus of big men in this league so finding a replacement shouldn't prove very difficult. Shedding Gortat would certainly help with some luxtax issues. We could go ahead and pay the luxtax this year (rather than trade away a 1st to shed salary) because we'd avoid the luxtax next year with Gortat off the books. That means we'd avoid the repeater tax in 2019/20 when Wall's salary balloons. By 2020/21, Mahinmi is gone and things get a bit more manageable.

He's not retiring. He's more or less admitted he's kind of checked out and would like to be traded at the deadline next year to finish out his career with Orlando.

It's a worst of all worlds scenario. Can't trust him now, and he's tanked his own value.

[nate33]

Nah. It's not so bad. Gortat has always been a pro. I don't think he'll stop trying just because he's getting short. And he didn't really tank his own value. His value was always whatever people valued his final 1.5 years of his contract. The fact that he is going to retire after that doesn't change the calculation. There's no difference in value between a soon-to-be unrestricted free agent and a soon to be retired player. Neither has any value as an asset.

Either way his value is about neutral. Some teams might be willing to take him on with his contract if the cost was essentially nothing (top 55 protected 2nd rounder), but nobody was going to give up significant value for him.

[Dark Faze]

Except he's not really been a pro. Cries constantly and is a big part of the immaturity leading to some of our issues.

[nate33]

Except he's not really been a pro. Cries constantly and is a big part of the immaturity leading to some of our issues.

Yeah, he whines a bit, but he always works hard, always takes care of his body, is always willing to be a physical presence, and always does the offseason work. He is who he is. The retirement announcement doesn't change anything.

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...I was hoping (Gortat would) resign to Vet Min after his contract expires. He has been remarkably consistent and healthy for us. With the way he sets picks and frees shooters and runs the PnR, he could easily play 10-15 MPG well into his late 30's.
Oh well.

Gortat, our 1st (#22) and Smith for Vuc and filler (Iwundu)?
Im not thrilled about the trade, but it gets us a Center that can spread the floor a bit and gets us under Lux tax.

I probably over value Iwundu, but this is one of the few trades that:
1) Make us better this and next year
2) Get us under Lux tax
3) Get us another young player for depth

PIF, dont get all wild on me about trading the pick. I'll save you the time.
"Trading the pick is the exact reason we are in this mess. We cant afford this team in 2 years and need all the picks we can get..."

We do need all the picks we can get, but at least your proposed trade makes us younger. If you over-value Iwundu, it's not a good trade. If you under-value him, I could live with it. But...

There is no way the Magic will re-acquire Smith. They let him walk for nothing; they aren't going to give an asset for him now. So, you'd have to come up with a different combination of players on our end. & that, of course, is the problem! We have no tradable assets. Why is that, you ask?

Spoiler:

"Trading the pick is the exact reason we are in that mess...." etc.

[payitforward]

Except he's not really been a pro. Cries constantly and is a big part of the immaturity leading to some of our issues.

Yeah, he whines a bit, but he always works hard, always takes care of his body, is always willing to be a physical presence, and always does the offseason work. He is who he is. The retirement announcement doesn't change anything.

Agreed. I can't see any reason whatever to critique Gortat. His numbers are down slightly from last year, though not much, & they're still quite good.

I don't see how he is a cause of any of our issues.

Anyway... what issues? This team is 23-18, b/c that's how good a team it is. We were 46-36 3 years ago. Who have we lost since then & who have we acquired since then that would make us a much better team?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

After playing all these years with John Wall and Bradley Beal taking all them damn shots I don't blame him.

Marcin Gortat sets all these picks and gives up his body, but this coach really likes Ian Mahinmi better.

The game is now perimeter-oriented. Gortat is a dinosaur of sorts. I wish the Wizards could trade him to Orlando and get Marc Gasol; with assets going to Orlando and Memphis.

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Marc hasn't even thought about adding anything to his game like..ever. He's the exact same player he was for Orlando, albeit reduced. He doesn't have the skillset to get touches. He has ZERO drive game or a shot outside of seven feet. If he could extend his range or have any kind of game he'd be getting more shots.

I was hoping he'd resign to Vet Min after his contract expires. He has been remarkably consistent and healthy for us. With the way he sets picks and frees shooters and runs the PnR, he could easily play 10-15 MPG well into his late 30's.
Oh well.

Gortat, our 1st (#22) and Smith for Vuc and filler (Iwundu)?
Im not thrilled about the trade, but it gets us a Center that can spread the floor a bit and gets us under Lux tax.

I probably over value Iwundu, but this is one of the few trades that:
1) Make us better this and next year
2) Get us under Lux tax
3) Get us another young player for depth

PIF, dont get all wild on me about trading the pick. I'll save you the time.
"Trading the pick is the exact reason we are in this mess. We cant afford this team in 2 years and need all the picks we can get..."

I like it.

[dckingsfan]

Shoot this one down please

Mirotic and Felicio for Mahimni and Morris?

For Chicago - it works if a) they think that Mirotic is still pissed off and won't resign and they think Felicio was a bad signing and Mahimni/Morris are done in 2 years. It doesn't work if they think that Mirotic/Portis are the future and can get along with each other going forward.

For us - we end up with a true stretch 4 and hopefully Felicio regains his form/confidence.

[bsilver]

Shoot this one down please

Mirotic and Felicio for Mahimni and Morris?

For Chicago - it works if a) they think that Mirotic is still pissed off and won't resign and they think Felicio was a bad signing and Mahimni/Morris are done in 2 years. It doesn't work if they think that Mirotic/Portis are the future and can get along with each other going forward.

For us - we end up with a true stretch 4 and hopefully Felicio regains his form/confidence.

Mahinmi finally has a good game, so now's a good time to sucker some team into taking him

I think Chicago is probably looking to trade Portis or Mirotic. With Markanen (sp?) looking so good it won't be possible to keep them all happy. They'd probably also like to unload Felicio. I haven't seen enough of him to know if he's that bad.

I would make the trade. Mirotic is an upgrade at PF. I cringe every time the Wiz force the ball into Morris, and he's going to shoot no matter what. One good game from Mahinmi doesn't convince me he's much better than Felicio.

[Dat2U]

To me its pretty easy to diagnose what would fix this team. Outside of stealing Brad Stevens and drafting the next Draymond it's finding that 32-yr old Kevin Garnett. That veteran leader who's sole focus is winning a championship and is willing to break a foot up off in anyone's ass that isn't on board. A guy like that can overcome a Doc Rivers at coach and cover up a lot of weaknesses in the personality traits of his teammates. A guy that's also a defensive quarterback constantly calling out the responsibilties of his teammates.

So who out there fits that bill?

No one lol.

I think David West best fits that role personality wise and he could help for 12-15 minutes a game as he does for the Warriors but we need a guy he can do this in a starting role.

Hassan Whiteside is the closest in terms of on-court impact defensively but his effort has come and go in the past and he's likely unattainable.

Kyle O'Quinn has a little of both. A no-nonsense guy who can offer some defensive impact but he's not proven as a starter. However he is attainable due to the Knicks salary commitments at C.

My favorite option is one I've mentioned before. He's not a vocal leader or a guy that's going to physically hold teammates accountable but he can be a quarterback on the floor defensively and have a significant impact. It's Cody Zeller and he's coming off a torn meniscus and likely won't be ready for weeks but he's also been forgotten about in a season where Dwight Howard was given his role and has put up huge counting numbers. With Charlotte's struggles there may be an opportunity to steal him away. He's a guy worth giving up a 1st round pick for.

[dckingsfan]

@Dat - I was always hoping that would be John Wall. But, watching the game last night - he wasn't even getting back on defense for part of the game. When they took him out - the team got energized and stopped the bleeding.

In this case - I think it has to be Brooks who has the conversation with Wall - and I am not sure he has that in him.

But yes to a veteran starter that pushes the right buttons - guess you don't think Morris can be that guy :devil:

[payitforward]

Shoot this one down please

Mirotic and Felicio for Mahimni and Morris?

For Chicago - it works if a) they think that Mirotic is still pissed off and won't resign and they think Felicio was a bad signing and Mahimni/Morris are done in 2 years. It doesn't work if they think that Mirotic/Portis are the future and can get along with each other going forward.

For us - we end up with a true stretch 4 and hopefully Felicio regains his form/confidence.

I can't see how this makes sense for Chicago. The Bulls are rebuilding. If Mirotic might not re-sign, why would they trade him for Morris whom they won't want to re-sign? & Why would they want to pay Mahinmi more $ through 6/20 than they'll pay Felicio through 6/21?

Above all, I think they can get more than this for Mirotic.

[nate33]

My favorite option is one I've mentioned before. He's not a vocal leader or a guy that's going to physically hold teammates accountable but he can be a quarterback on the floor defensively and have a significant impact. It's Cody Zeller and he's coming off a torn meniscus and likely won't be ready for weeks but he's also been forgotten about in a season where Dwight Howard was given his role and has put up huge counting numbers. With Charlotte's struggles there may be an opportunity to steal him away. He's a guy worth giving up a 1st round pick for.

Agreed. Cody Zeller is a guy who has a much more positive impact than his box score numbers suggest, and he therefore could be attainable. Charlotte is clearly out of the picture as a title contender of the foreseeable future and may just want to push the reset button. Swapping Gortat and a 1st for Zeller will help them clear the payroll in Summer 2019 and give them an extra pick to work with. We'd get younger and solve our center problem for the future.

The only problem is that by giving up our 1st without saving salary, we are condemning ourselves to the luxtax and then the repeater tax next year. I don't think Ted wants to do that. And we can't dump extra salary onto Charlotte because they're just over the luxtax threshold as well and are looking to save about a million dollars.

[NatP4]

Except he's not really been a pro. Cries constantly and is a big part of the immaturity leading to some of our issues.

Yeah, he whines a bit, but he always works hard, always takes care of his body, is always willing to be a physical presence, and always does the offseason work. He is who he is. The retirement announcement doesn't change anything.

Agreed. I can't see any reason whatever to critique Gortat. His numbers are down slightly from last year, though not much, & they're still quite good.

I don't see how he is a cause of any of our issues.

Anyway... what issues? This team is 23-18, b/c that's how good a team it is. We were 46-36 3 years ago. Who have we lost since then & who have we acquired since then that would make us a much better team?

An improved Oubre, Porter, Satoransky, a healthy Mahinmi, Mike Scott. This team has been losing to sub .500 teams all year. They are significantly better than this.

Now you can make an argument that adding Scott Brooks set them back.

[payitforward]

...My favorite option is one I've mentioned before. He's not a vocal leader or a guy that's going to physically hold teammates accountable but he can be a quarterback on the floor defensively and have a significant impact. It's Cody Zeller and he's coming off a torn meniscus and likely won't be ready for weeks but he's also been forgotten about in a season where Dwight Howard was given his role and has put up huge counting numbers. With Charlotte's struggles there may be an opportunity to steal him away. He's a guy worth giving up a 1st round pick for.

Cody Zeller is an underrated player, but he's not worth a R1 pick to a team like the Wizards that is so hamstrung salary-wise. Anyway, for the very same reason, we can't begin to afford his salary.

[payitforward]

...Anyway... what issues? This team is 23-18, b/c that's how good a team it is. We were 46-36 3 years ago. Who have we lost since then & who have we acquired since then that would make us a much better team?

An improved Oubre, Porter, Satoransky, a healthy Mahinmi, Mike Scott. This team has been losing to sub .500 teams all year. They are significantly better than this.

Now you can make an argument that adding Scott Brooks set them back.

You can make any claim you want; that goes w/o saying. But claims ain't arguments.

For example, you forget that we also lost a few guys: Paul Pierce, Nene, Rasual Butler, Ramon Sessions, Andre Miller, Garrett Temple... those guys all played well for us.

Wall is a lot less productive this year than last. So is Smith, & some other guys as well. A team is as good as its record. Every team's fans thinks their team is better than its record.

[Ruzious]

...My favorite option is one I've mentioned before. He's not a vocal leader or a guy that's going to physically hold teammates accountable but he can be a quarterback on the floor defensively and have a significant impact. It's Cody Zeller and he's coming off a torn meniscus and likely won't be ready for weeks but he's also been forgotten about in a season where Dwight Howard was given his role and has put up huge counting numbers. With Charlotte's struggles there may be an opportunity to steal him away. He's a guy worth giving up a 1st round pick for.

Cody Zeller is an underrated player, but he's not worth a R1 pick to a team like the Wizards that is so hamstrung salary-wise. Anyway, for the very same reason, we can't begin to afford his salary.

Wiz could afford Zeller if they do my Wall (and trinkets) for Ball, Nance, Brewer, and Hart trade.

[Dat2U]

...My favorite option is one I've mentioned before. He's not a vocal leader or a guy that's going to physically hold teammates accountable but he can be a quarterback on the floor defensively and have a significant impact. It's Cody Zeller and he's coming off a torn meniscus and likely won't be ready for weeks but he's also been forgotten about in a season where Dwight Howard was given his role and has put up huge counting numbers. With Charlotte's struggles there may be an opportunity to steal him away. He's a guy worth giving up a 1st round pick for.

Cody Zeller is an underrated player, but he's not worth a R1 pick to a team like the Wizards that is so hamstrung salary-wise. Anyway, for the very same reason, we can't begin to afford his salary.

I know we don't do it but its quite easy to buy picks in the 30s so why over obsess about a pick im the 20s. Especially if it nets us a good player.

[80sballboy]

I don't anybody has posted this year. Thought was a bit interesting regarding players who can be traded and when.
Washington Wizards

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/21750469/nba-trade-deadline-guide-all-30-teams

What to watch

The first-round pick: Does GM Ernie Grunfeld go for the hat trick before the trade deadline?

For two consecutive seasons, Grunfeld has traded away a first-round pick to improve the roster for a playoff run. With a top-5 salary and roster restrictions in the future based on the luxury tax, Washington will need to be cautious when entertaining offers involving current or future picks. Though Bojan Bogdanovic gave the bench a boost last season, the small forward was a short-term rental.

Restrictions/notes

Otto Porter Jr. cannot be traded until Jan. 15 and must give permission if Washington elects to trade him. Porter cannot be traded to Brooklyn during the season.

John Wall cannot be traded until July 26, 2018.

The Wizards have a roster spot available but are $5.8 million over the luxury tax with a current $8.9 million tax penalty.

[WallToWall]

Alright, I went looking for the Trevor Ariza thread, and after 15 mins of searching, I came up empty.
Back when we let Ariza walk away from us and go to Houston, we said that the price to pay for him was too high. He had just turned 28 yo, and signed a 4 year 32 mil contract. In hindsight, I think we should have kept him. Although he was high priced (at the time), he would have been great for the development of Porter, Oubre, and Beal. He would make for a great bench player in this, his last year of the contract. What are the thoughts now about if we should have kept him? Any interest in bringing him back? He is a UFA in 2018.